The Flash The Flash season 2 episode 11 "The Reverse Flash Returns"

[Astro13Zombie]

Hello this episode has totally confused me as to what's going on....even though they explained it in the show of how the reverse flash returned I'm still at lost.....how is it possible that he has returned if the Flash got rid of his existence in the previous season.....who the hell is Eobard and why is he now in the place that the original Dr. Wells once was in....please explain

If you're having trouble with this part there's really no hope for the rest.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I liked this episode a lot but I think they tried to throw a bit too much into it. I'm not totally clear on how the timeline stuff works. I understood the bit about Eobard being from a pocket timeline, but how did him being prevented from going back to it cause Cisco to turn into a disappearing Marty McFly? I didn't quite catch the reasoning behind that.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I liked this episode a lot but I think they tried to throw a bit too much into it. I'm not totally clear on how the timeline stuff works. I understood the bit about Eobard being from a pocket timeline, but how did him being prevented from going back to it cause Cisco to turn into a disappearing Marty McFly? I didn't quite catch the reasoning behind that.

I might be wrong, but I got the idea the Thawne has to be able to go on do everything we know he does from season 1. Preventing that would be a major fracture in the timeline, resulting in countless ramifications. One of them being the Cisco wouldn't exist. So he literally is the one person Barry can't stop, at least so far.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Hello this episode has totally confused me as to what's going on....even though they explained it in the show of how the reverse flash returned I'm still at lost.....how is it possible that he has returned if the Flash got rid of his existence in the previous season.....who the hell is Eobard and why is he now in the place that the original Dr. Wells once was in....please explain

Remember in season 1 when they had these flashbacks about Eobard coming from the future to young Barry's time? And attempting to kill Barry but because Flash saved himself Reverse Flash killed Barry's mom instead?
After that RF left the house of Allen, his speed powers were fluctuating, and he was trapped in that time, so he killed Harrison Wells and took his looks to build the particle accelerator 10 years sooner to speed up Barry gaining his powers so he (Barry) might help him (Eobard) return to the 25th century.

The Speed Force contained an Eobard Thawne from before killing Norah Allen, or even knowing Barry's secret.

I liked this episode a lot but I think they tried to throw a bit too much into it. I'm not totally clear on how the timeline stuff works. I understood the bit about Eobard being from a pocket timeline, but how did him being prevented from going back to it cause Cisco to turn into a disappearing Marty McFly? I didn't quite catch the reasoning behind that.

What Da-Scribe said.

Oh, and congratulations on winning best Sports Poster Award.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Oh, I won that award? Thanks! I didn't even realize that I did, lol. I forgot about that.

 

[Broseph44]

This cracked me up.

oh man me too gave me a good laugh

Remember in season 1 when they had these flashbacks about Eobard coming from the future to young Barry's time? And attempting to kill Barry but because Flash saved himself Reverse Flash killed Barry's mom instead?
After that RF left the house of Allen, his speed powers were fluctuating, and he was trapped in that time, so he killed Harrison Wells and took his looks to build the particle accelerator 10 years sooner to speed up Barry gaining his powers so he (Barry) might help him (Eobard) return to the 25th century.

The Speed Force contained an Eobard Thawne from before killing Norah Allen, or even knowing Barry's secret.
What Da-Scribe said.

Thank you, if people payed closer attention they wouldn't be so confused and blaming bad logic and poor writing by the writers. Just pay attention folks, is that so hard?

 

[Polux]

Most exciting episode this far this season; I love that it started with a cool action sequence; I've felt like this season the show has been very light on action and slow-paced, but this episode picked that up, lots of action, Barry actually kicking Thawne's ass, and very emotionally intense scenes (very well acted too), so all in all, a very satisfactory episode

And honest guys, don't think too hard about them time-travelling shenanigans, the show's pseudo-science explanations are enough for me to suspend disbelief...t:


Polux

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Hello this episode has totally confused me as to what's going on....even though they explained it in the show of how the reverse flash returned I'm still at lost.....how is it possible that he has returned if the Flash got rid of his existence in the previous season.....who the hell is Eobard and why is he now in the place that the original Dr. Wells once was in....please explain

All speedsters that have ruptured the temporal barrier are immune to time paradoxes because at some point or other they have traveled through the speed force.

Basically, if you ever go through that 'time tunnel' that Barry runs through when he time travels you can not be erased from the timeline.

 

[Headliner]

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It's posts like the one above. Complaining about trying to apply logic to a comic book show involving time travel because he's a logic freak. Meanwhile like highfiving said time travel is already made up to begin with. It's just so silly and dumb to try and apply logic and complain about it. Where's the logic in a mind controlling gorilla, or anything else that goes on in this show or in any comic book tv show/film/comic book itself. Come on now.

good lord.

Unlike you comic nerds, I actually like things to make sense. There is nothing wrong with that.

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[Astro13Zombie]

Unlike you comic nerds, I actually like things to make sense. There is nothing wrong with that.

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[JJmelo]

All speedsters that have ruptured the temporal barrier are immune to time paradoxes because at some point or other they have traveled through the speed force.

Basically, if you ever go through that 'time tunnel' that Barry runs through when he time travels you can not be erased from the timeline.

This was a lot more help than the strange explanation they gave during the episode lol. I Just figured it's futile to debate logic at this point. Walking talking sharks, doppelgängers, clean break-ups. None of it makes sense.

In any case, this was waaaay better than last week. The Flash is always better when it puts the narrative before superfluous romance. Loved the Cisco bits and how everything fed into season 1.

If I had to complain about something it would be Patty's arc. Her appearance was ultimately meaningless. Her relationship did nothing for Barry and her leaving didn't change anything. Super disappointing in the end. I wasn't a fan of Wally either. Last week he was bashing on his dad, now he has a problem with his mom. The fact that I don't think Lonsdale's performance is all that great here either compounds my dislike for him. Hopefully he pulls an Iris and gets some better material later on.

As per usual, my full thoughts can be found in my review
http://otlnews.net/2016/01/27/the-flash-review-s2-ep-11-the-reverse-flash-returns/

 

[Lencho01]

This cracked me up.

I was hoping he would yell something like, "That's my favorite movie!"

 

[Herolee10]

Unless they (the producers) create some kind of situation that involves another time paradox in the future, I think it's safe to say that this could have been the final episode featuring the Reverse Flash.

And given on how it's not everyday that they get to bring in the likes of the original RF, I was hoping for a more epic showdown between them in this episode. If anything, compared to other episodes, I feel like the limited budget really felt apparent in this episode given on how many effects shots of the Flash/RF they reused here.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Unlike you comic nerds, I actually like things to make sense. There is nothing wrong with that.

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Honestly, this show is not the thing for you, cause the harder you think about it the more mess you will find.
Writers try to make as much sense out of it as possible as they progress, but when it comes to time travel Wally West said the best possible thing to say about it (and Kyle Reese in Terminator Genisys said the very same thing): "Time travel gives me a headache"

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Honestly, this show is not the thing for you, cause the harder you think about it the more mess you will find.
Writers try to make as much sense out of it as possible as they progress, but when it comes to time travel Wally West said the best possible thing to say about it (and Kyle Reese in Terminator Genisys said the very same thing): "Time travel gives me a headache"

Also
It's based on a comic book.
And comic books are for nerds.

 

[Broseph44]

Unlike you comic nerds, I actually like things to make sense. There is nothing wrong with that.

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Oh my god Hahahaha

Honestly, this show is not the thing for you, cause the harder you think about it the more mess you will find.
Writers try to make as much sense out of it as possible as they progress, but when it comes to time travel Wally West said the best possible thing to say about it (and Kyle Reese in Terminator Genisys said the very same thing): "Time travel gives me a headache"

Yeah I think he might as well just pass on this show, definitely not for him. It's more for us comic nerds as he said hahaha Oh brother.

 

[Pokkle]

Good episode.
Since Hunter zolomon is Jay from Earth-1.
I totally believe now that Jay Garrick (fron Earth-2) is Zoom.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Unless they (the producers) create some kind of situation that involves another time paradox in the future, I think it's safe to say that this could have been the final episode featuring the Reverse Flash.

Actually, I thought they did it this way because they wanted to leave that door open. They could easily have said Reverse Flash of Earth 2 if they wanted to make this one and done. They're supposed to be rivals in the future. I think they wanted to leave open the possibility of future encounters - especially having Barry travel to the future.

 

[Supernova]

I think it would have been easier if reverse flash this episode was from earth 2 and reverse flash looking for jay instead

 

[Hunter Rider]

Unlike you comic nerds, I actually like things to make sense. There is nothing wrong with that.

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[Spider-Aziz]

Good episode.
Since Hunter zolomon is Jay from Earth-1.
I totally believe now that Jay Garrick (fron Earth-2) is Zoom.

That makes him both the Hero and his Archfoe.
Somewhat like the Sentry and the Void.


I don't dislike this idea, I hate it.

 

[Batmannerism]

The Speed Force contained an Eobard Thawne from before killing Norah Allen, or even knowing Barry's secret.


Dude, I think your other comment about not thinking too much about the way time travel has been used in this show is the right way to go.

the harder you think about it the more mess you will find.
Writers try to make as much sense out of it as possible as they progress, but when it comes to time travel Wally West said the best possible thing to say about it (and Kyle Reese in Terminator Genisys said the very same thing): "Time travel gives me a headache"

Let's be honest here, the explanations don't make sense - because when Eddie killed himself it's not that Eobard didn't exist anymore, it's that he NEVER existed ab initio, which pretty much meant that everything that happened in season 1, didn't happen !

This was a good try....

All speedsters that have ruptured the temporal barrier are immune to time paradoxes because at some point or other they have traveled through the speed force.

Basically, if you ever go through that 'time tunnel' that Barry runs through when he time travels you can not be erased from the timeline

except of course that's exactly what happens to Thawne when Eddie kills himself.

Anyway, I think it's okay to admit that the writers have made a mess - I mean, it's a show about a guy who can supposedly move as fast as light, which is ridiculous on the face of it. But if we can let that go, well the time travel stuff we just have to shrug off.

It's a bit disappointing, because I think that there are plenty of ways the writers, with a little more thought, could have made time travel not only work consistently and in a way that makes sense (currently it seems to work whatever way suits the plot).

I mean, the first time Barry travels back in time, there's no past Barry. Yet when he travels back to save his mom, he's also there fighting RF ?

Really, the writers should watch some Dr Who, as those writers manage to do time travel in a reasonably consistent way.


Just shrugging and enjoying the show otherwise is the only way I can see forward. I'm looking forward to Flash starting up again down here, and I'll just grit my teeth and ignore the time travel stuff and enjoy the stuff that I usually do - especially Cisco's silliness.

 

[Forever Evil]

I thought it was an ok episode, I hated the stuff with Patty, she was awesome and the perfect fit for him, and instead they write her out and in the process make Barry look an idiot and treat her like a jerk.

That's been my only disappointment so far.

Patty was so damn special, yet every other Tom, Dick and Harry knew about Barry being The Flash... and now she's gone.

 

[iamjoeking]

Wells was the reverse flash for 23 episodes, so of course more people prefer Cavanaugh as the Reverse Flash (myself included).

 

[zenith16]

Actually, I thought they did it this way because they wanted to leave that door open. They could easily have said Reverse Flash of Earth 2 if they wanted to make this one and done. They're supposed to be rivals in the future. I think they wanted to leave open the possibility of future encounters - especially having Barry travel to the future.

that is indeed what it was done for. though it would have been interesting this this one event weirdly changed the future again and cisco's barry's present..