The Flash The Flash season 2 episode 13 "Welcome to Earth-2"

[Nathan]

Methuman warning app warned Iris once, but everyone is wearing one, and it didn't ring on Barry?

Easily the stupidest part of the entire Episode. The entire Cafe's alarm went off, before Killer Frost and Deathstorm even came through the door. Yet nothing when Barry is walking through the place.

 

[Nathan]

They killed a lot of zoom theories tonight. Was Deathstorm just Ronnie or was stein in there as well and evil?

Stein was in there, but not talking. Ronnie basically held him captive.

 

[superboy13]

Last season we saw Barry in jail during the Speed Force thingie... but it obviously wasn't the Barry from Earth-2. So... any theories?

 

[Drz]

Stupid:

• Caitlin, not only is Jay not from your Earth. he's also dying, please end your sentimental attachment.

Spider-Aziz confirmed for racist!

 

[Dninx64]

Enjoyed the episode.
Though I was a little annoyed that Barry was living Earth-2 Barry's life when he know he is on the clock

 

[SpideyVille]

ohhhhh yeaH ,And looking at that body shape and neck I have a feeling it's another earth's Barry. with a play in the man in the iron mask bit.

I don't thing that's a brotha under that mask. or diggle cause diggle is beefer then that. wrist wise. yeah it's dark where they are at, but I don't think he's a black man .

I think it might actually be Earth 2 Wally.

 

[Nathan]

They should have started the entire Season with Barry stuck on Earth-2, and finding his way back to Earth-1 in the second half of the Season. Then maybe Earth-2 Joe could have survived more than 1 Episode. Doesn't sit right with me that Barry's been on Earth-2 for less than 24 hours, and already his presence got someone killed.

 

[SpideyVille]

They should have started the entire Season with Barry stuck on Earth-2, and finding his way back to Earth-1 in the second half of the Season. Then maybe Earth-2 Joe could have survived more than 1 Episode. Doesn't sit right with me that Barry's been on Earth-2 for less than 24 hours, and already his presence got someone killed.

I had hoped that a large chunk of the season would have been set on Earth 2. Would have been a great way to use alternate versions of characters without hurting their "true" characters. It also would have been a great personal journey for Barry.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Too bad that they couldn't find a way to insert a shot of "Smallville" into that Multi-Verse preview.

Out of ALL of the DC Comic Book shows that have come before us, I feel like that's one that should be used as part of the "Multi-Verse".

You know what DC show and specific snippet really should have been shown

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Spider-Aziz confirmed for racist!

I'm sitting here, thinking of different stupid replies for this.
Travelling through dimensions requires speed.....
Wait, how did Harry pass through a breach when he's not a speedster? And how did Jay do it after losing his speed?
"Barry, maintain your speed." ~ Jay Garrick

 

[Rowen]

I think killer frost is hot, I love to date her. I can't wait till Barry, wells , and Cisco, beat zoom. Cause zoom needs to be stopped.

 

[DigificWriter]

There's no internal justification for connecting every single disparate universe that's ever existed in either live-action or animation directly to the Arrowverse's internal Multiversal reality. '90s Flash gets connected because of JWS, Amanda Pays, Mark Hammil, and the guy who played Bellows, and Supergirl gets connected because of the upcoming crossover and the production connections it has to the Arrowverse-Prime shows.

If they were going to add any more shows to the mix, the only ones that would have justification for being added are the Donnerverse (because of Helen Slater and Brandon Routh), the Lois and Clark universe (because of Dean Cain), and the Smallville universe (because of Laura Vandervoort).

 

[Steyin]

I actually feel like the guy in the mask looks like Wells, but who knows. He looks like he's covered in dirt and has been there a while.

 

[superboy13]

There's no internal justification for connecting every single disparate universe that's ever existed in either live-action or animation directly to the Arrowverse's internal Multiversal reality. '90s Flash gets connected because of JWS, Amanda Pays, Mark Hammil, and the guy who played Bellows, and Supergirl gets connected because of the upcoming crossover and the production connections it has to the Arrowverse-Prime shows.

If they were going to add any more shows to the mix, the only ones that would have justification for being added are the Donnerverse (because of Helen Slater and Brandon Routh), the Lois and Clark universe (because of Dean Cain), and the Smallville universe (because of Laura Vandervoort).

That doesn't make a lot of sense, though, because they only share actors, not characters. If anything, that's a reason why they shouldn't. Why would Clark Kent look like Ray Palmer? Or Kara like her adoptive mother? Or another Clark Kent like Danvers? In the 90s Flash case, Pays, Hammil and the other guy play the same character. JWS still plays an Allen, and since they're father/son, I guess you could say that Grant-Barry ends up looking like JWS-Barry (which, duh, they wouldn't, but still).

 

[Hazexander]

If Jay lost his speed beacuse of Velocity why did he keep telling Caitlin the only way to get his speed is to stop Zoom? Any thoughts

 

[DigificWriter]

That doesn't make a lot of sense, though, because they only share actors, not characters. If anything, that's a reason why they shouldn't. Why would Clark Kent look like Ray Palmer? Or Kara like her adoptive mother? Or another Clark Kent like Danvers? In the 90s Flash case, Pays, Hammil and the other guy play the same character. JWS still plays an Allen, and since they're father/son, I guess you could say that Grant-Barry ends up looking like JWS-Barry (which, duh, they wouldn't, but still).

The concept of the Multiverse itself would explain the things you're talking about.

If Jay lost his speed beacuse of Velocity why did he keep telling Caitlin the only way to get his speed is to stop Zoom? Any thoughts

It's called "maintaining the lie".

 

[superboy13]

The concept of the Multiverse itself would explain the things you're talking about.

How? By that logic, anything is up for grabs and we can also throw in other CW/WB shows like Supernatural, Gilmore Girls or Buffy, 'cause, hey, Multiverse!

 

[DigificWriter]

How?

See the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

 

[Pokkle]

Good episode.
Zoom is really good villain.
I like a lot Killer Frost and Evil Cisco, too bad he died.
Back to Henri Allen from earth 2 is zoom.

 

[superboy13]

See the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

This is, quite obviously, not the rules they're applying to the DCTV Multiverse, though.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Actually, it is, at least with regards to the Multiverse as it exists specific to the Arrowverse.

Since we have confirmed doppelgangers for numerous characters across three of the four Earths that officially comprise the "Arrowverse Multiversal Reality", the "many worlds" theory does very much apply.

 

[nightwing06]

GREAT EPISODE

IRIS sexier than ever great action and easter eggs

 

[superboy13]

^ Actually, it is, at least with regards to the Multiverse as it exists specific to the Arrowverse.

Since we have confirmed doppelgangers for numerous characters across three of the four Earths that officially comprise the "Arrowverse Multiversal Reality", the "many worlds" theory does very much apply.

Exactly: we've had the same actors playing the same characters (or variations thereof).

You claimed that Smallville, L&C and the Donnerverse had more justification to be thrown into the mix because they share actors, yet that should be a reason for not including them, not the opposite.

 

[DigificWriter]

Jay Garrick's E1 doppelganger is a completely different character, as is Henry Allen's 90s-Flash-Earth doppelganger, so it's not out of the question at all to apply the idea that some of the alternate-reality doppelgangers for Eliza, Indigo, Ray, and Jeremiah could be entirely different characters also.

 

[Quasimod0]

This was one of the best episodes of the season. Possibly my favorite.