The Flash The Flash season 3 episode 16 "Into the Speed Force"

[Herolee10]

It's come down to this are you freaking kidding me…. What the hell has happened to the writing staff? Barry your an idiot, I mean a real one. Second I can't believe you guys are reducing The Speed force to a prison or that Jay is trapped within it just because you can't find any real use for JWS since killing Henry Allen.

I'm truly insulted by how this series started off well, had a few bumps in road. But i can't believe we've gone down hill in the third season.

The fact that we're three seasons into the show and they're still doing the "figuring out the secret identity of the main evil speedster villain" schtick really shows that the show hasn't gone forward.

Not to mention that Iris West continues to show that she really has/serves no purpose in this show other than being a damsel/bi-polar in distress.

Seriously, getting rid of Patty Spivot in favor of Iris was freaking stupid.

 

[Loki882]

-They wasted no time getting rid of Jessie. Which is disappointing because I liked her and it makes her deciding to stay really pointless, TWO episodes later (face-palm). And she and Wally, were cute together. Just couldn't help yourselves could you showrunners (another face-palm).

-Also the reason why she couldn't come along was BS and ties into a really annoying and problematic cliché that these shows use way too often. Oh and remember that Jessie was supposed to be a child genius, because the show sure doesn't?

-Barry breaks up with Iris (face-palm). They were actually kind of cute together writers, it was going fine now that they were actually a couple. BUT NO, you just couldn't let it go. You just HAD to throw more contrive "DRAAAMMAAA into it" didn't you (double face-palm).

-Another "big mask reveal" for the big bad speedster, for the THIRD season in a row, ugh.

 

[<(o_o)>]

The show needs new writers with a fresh perspective and cut out all the wash rinse repeat each season.

 

[Herolee10]

I feel like Season 4 should really go through a major shake-up...not just with the cast, but with how they select their main villains.

If this show wants to even try to remain relevant, they need to go with a non-speedster for Season 4.

 

[KingAchilles8]

Jessie hieing herself off to Earth 3 is the most sensible thing anyone's done on this show for a while. Glad she's gone.

I didn't get why Barry refused to marry Iris. Couldn't he change the future and be the sole person responsible for saving her?

Kinda dreading next week's musical but I like the 20s vibe.

you didn't hear what the speed force told him

 

[Mike Murdock]

Everything about this episode was amazing except for the nonsensical love twist at the end. The show really doesn't need to string us along on the "Will they or won't they?" arc any longer.

Yeah, the ending was dumb, but I don't think that means the whole episode was dumb.

 

[shabadoo25]

It makes more sense for her to stay around - more speedsters is more helpful against Savitar. For all we know, Savitar was saying what he said to scare her into leaving.

It makes no sense logistically. On Earth 1 and 2 she either knows people or has a home. On Earth 3, she knows no one, has no place to live, etc.

However, much like depressed Wally, it's a plot device to make sure Barry beats Savitar alone.

 

[Web-Head]

So, where's the tackion (sp?) device from last season that made Barry run faster? It'd probably come in handy right now...

 

[Syncos]

-Barry breaks up with Iris (face-palm). They were actually kind of cute together writers, it was going fine now that they were actually a couple. BUT NO, you just couldn't let it go. You just HAD to throw more contrive "DRAAAMMAAA into it" didn't you (double face-palm).

This bugs me the most. Realistically, on the chance that Barry can't save Iris, you'd think he would want to spend as much time with her as possible.

 

[Loki882]

For goodness sake, either keep Jessie around, or don't. This "writing her in, and then writing her out at random" is getting irritating. Especially when it happens so quickly.

 

[chamber-music]

I can't with this forced Barry/Iris drama.

I feel the same way. The forced Barry/Iris drama is boring and unnecessary.

I can't say I'm surprised. CW gonna CW

 

[Frodo]

I concur with the consensus that the show needs a fresh pair of eyes in season 4. Hopefully the next big bad won't be another Speedster.

 

[Mister J]

I just want to enjoy a superhero adaptation without seemingly endless and contrived relationship bull****. My God. Have them together or not. Just draw a line in the sand and spare me the array of cliches and tropes.

I'm glad to be down another speedster, but it'd seem to make sense to keep Jesse around to fight the big bad if you're going to pull her into this mess. Oh well.

It was great to see Jay though.

 

[BestGirl]

It makes more sense for her to stay around - more speedsters is more helpful against Savitar. For all we know, Savitar was saying what he said to scare her into leaving.

Since Barry won't allow anyone to assist him it wouldn't matter anyway. That being said, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Jessie showed up at the last moment and helped him defeat Savitar.

 

[CLARKY]

Well I enjoyed it. I can understand the unsatisfying opinions around here but I enjoyed it. I liked this episode.
I mean, I have the impression the writing is a bit better, the lines stopped beginning with "you ok ?" and then having the characters talking.

But what I noticed and loved about this episode were the little acting touches. I felt the acting was better.
I mean almost every actors had their voices modulating, without saying the whole sentence/scene on the same tone. Plus, there were small background actions, "unnecessary" actions on screen. From H.R. of course and from other actors : D.Panabaker taking the drums sticks from HR and teasing him with it. All those little details add to the life of the scene and I thought the directing was overall better and very satisfying for this.

And having Jay arriving by surprise was a real cool touch. I don't see him enough in action.

 

[BestGirl]

This show needs to be reduced to 10 episodes per season. The writers have repeatedly demonstrated they're not up to the task of 20+.

you didn't hear what the speed force told him

I may have zoned out since they kept droning on and on. Did they specifically tell Barry to defeat Savitar alone?

 

[CLARKY]

BTW, for those who read the comics, the old ones, does anyone else think they (the writers) would pull the Blitz twist in order for Barry to be faster and beat Savitar ?

 

[Lencho01]

I thought the episode was weird but it was really nice to see Snart even though his answer of sacrificing himself was pretty much BS.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Since Barry won't allow anyone to assist him it wouldn't matter anyway. That being said, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Jessie showed up at the last moment and helped him defeat Savitar.

That doesn't solve the not making sense part since that doesn't make sense either.

 

[Halnbarry]

This episode wasn't as bad as this thread would lead you to believe, but then it's the CW and it could be Smallville bad, and I've written off Supergril because of Monel so my standards are low for Flash anyway.

Yes, I agree that Jay's wasted, but it invokes Max Mercury having to stay in the speedforce in the comics. Ronnie was wasted and had he not gone to X-Files we might have saved ourselves from seasons of Caitlin and the new lover interest/baddie arcs. Len (and Mick) was wasted on Legends. His death because he's doing Prison Break (what about Mick Rory's actor, he's still doing Legends).

Eddie as far as I'm concerned may have been a good character, but his story was finished as far as I'm concerned and no making him turn out to be Cobalt Blue would be a waste of a decent character for another who's the baddie arc. I've already decided if he's Savitar than that's a bad deal, not including him in Flashpoint, or even alive outside of Flashpoint to set up this mysterious twist, which means Savitar really can't be anyone, but Julian. Watch this season of Arrow where they give us Adrian Chase and Vigilante, but he's not Vigilante (or is he?), but he's definitely Prometheus because no other new character was introduced outside of killed boyfriend and a female lover interest. Ergo Julian is Dr. Alchemy and Savitar, which is why like Eobard/Harrison and Hunter/Jay he shows no powers to the cast yet. Otherwise it's an unrevealed person who has no past with the characters and this encounter is his origin story. There is no twist, no mystery. That would be new.

The hate for Wally and Iris is strong. Not touching that one because you all throw fits every time they're on screen, or mentioned, or just there. I'm guessing you all want them dead, or written off so Joe (who magically has no memory of them because nobody likes angst) can save all his bonding time with Barry. We get it. For the record, Patty was the worst, but you all give her a pass either because she didn't overstay her welcome, or because you all love your blonde cops who quote Monty Python when that isn't good enough for me to give a crap about another spunky, manic, angsty, needy grating character. She would add nothing to the team Joe doesn't do. She would add nothing to a relationship that would defy CW drama.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Just when I am liking the show again, they have to get royally stupid again.

Halnbarry, I would not say no to the death of Wally and Iris, but I personally loved Spivot. She wasn't a stick in the mud most of the time. It was only when they decided they had to write her out that she suddenly started being all about that "drama".

 

[Halnbarry]

Just when I am liking the show again, they have to get royally stupid again.

Halnbarry, I would not say no to the death of Wally and Iris, but I personally loved Spivot. She wasn't a stick in the mud most of the time. It was only when they decided they had to write her out that she suddenly started being all about that "drama".

Good to know you're at least honest on the getting rid of Wally and Iris part, but I think it'd be a mistake with how much they invested with Joe. I'm not up for a mourning Joe. Killing Sara than bringing her back on a different show than killing Laurel hasn't done Quentin any favors. I think viewers prefer dad's to eligible twenty-something children though, except Jessie for whatever reason. In some ways I can relate because in the comics I like the original Justice Society members and can't stand Infinity Inc. and children legacies in general, but the shows should have never made Joe and Quentin more important than Ira and Larry were to their kid's stories who are more the leads in the source material than they ever were. Larry at least was a love interest once. Ira just invented the Flash ring.

I know that's the excuse, but when Patty was supposed to be fun she was inhumanly annoying, like Chris O'Donnell Robin annoying. An odd comparison I could go into, but I don't want to derail a thread on a character that doesn't appear in the episode.

 

[TheRedWraith]

I agree, Spivot annoyed the hell out of me, like Felicity turned up to 11.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think Barry will ultimately let Iris die, or at least let Savitar stab her as he saw in his vision of the future. He talks about embracing the future rather than fearing it. I'm guessing that Barry will realise that this has to play out now as it did.

However, Team Flash will probably have a plan to save Iris once she has been stabbed and maybe bring her back to life or revive her. One Savitar has stabbed her, he might be gloating in his victory, which would leave someone like Harrison Wells or HR Wells to take advantage of the situation and use that big gun we saw to cripple the so-called "speed god".

Then Flash would be able to move in quick to deal the victory blow.

That's what I'm speculating. I could be wrong, but I think it will play out that way and that we've only seen a partial vision of what has happened and don't have the full picture of how Team Flash use this to their advantage.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Good to know you're at least honest on the getting rid of Wally and Iris part, but I think it'd be a mistake with how much they invested with Joe. I'm not up for a mourning Joe. Killing Sara than bringing her back on a different show than killing Laurel hasn't done Quentin any favors. I think viewers prefer dad's to eligible twenty-something children though, except Jessie for whatever reason. In some ways I can relate because in the comics I like the original Justice Society members and can't stand Infinity Inc. and children legacies in general, but the shows should have never made Joe and Quentin more important than Ira and Larry were to their kid's stories who are more the leads in the source material than they ever were. Larry at least was a love interest once. Ira just invented the Flash ring.

I know that's the excuse, but when Patty was supposed to be fun she was inhumanly annoying, like Chris O'Donnell Robin annoying. An odd comparison I could go into, but I don't want to derail a thread on a character that doesn't appear in the episode.

I didn't think about Joe, but I guess he'd eventually get over it. I can't stand Wally and dislike Iris most of the time. I like the actress for Iris quite a bit and was starting to like her for a bit, but they then defaulted back to what I dislike about her. She is annoying again and making Barry less bearable.

That is the thing about Wally and Iris. They are basically what I dislike about CW shows. They tried this with Cisco this season and it sucked. But Cisco came back to being Cisco and it was all good. This is default Wally and Iris. So when they default, its to these characters I do not like.

I never, ever found Patty annoying. Even with the "drama". I liked the actress, I liked the character. She was liking the living embodiment of what I liked about season 1, in the middle of a increasingly dour season 2.