The Flash season 3 episode 21 "Cause and Effect"

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  1. KillerMcQueen Mortal-ish

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    THE FLASH
    S3-E21 "CAUSE AND EFFECT"

    DRASTIC TIMES CALL FOR DRASTIC MEASURES – Barry takes drastic measures to stop Savitar. Meanwhile, H.R. continues to push Tracy Brand (guest star Anne Dudek) to design the trap for Savitar, and Killer Frost returns with an interesting proposal.

    David McWhirter directed the episode written by Judalina Neira & Lauren Certo.
    Original airdate 5/9/2017.
     
  2. herolee10 No More Miracles

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    TV PROMO
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  3. Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    Instead of erasing his memory, or suppressing it, Team Flash should deliberately make plans without Barry's knowledge. That way, Barry would never be in on these plans and would therefore not be able to remember them to be one step ahead of everyone.

    Future Flash couldn't, for example, be one step ahead of the events currently going on in Arrow or Supergirl, because he hasn't experienced them for himself. So if he doesn't experience or isn't present at any of Team Flash's plans, then he won't know and remember what happened and won't be able to use it to his advantage.
     
  4. mqg96 Registered

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    I have a theory on why Killer Frost might be proposing the team.

    It looks like the team is trying to get into Barry's brain to find information about Savitar's origin story, and this causes Barry to lose his memories. Or maybe this also creates a paradox to mess with Future Barry/Savitar's mind. However, the team is gonna have trouble getting Barry's memories back and there's no solution for it. You know what I think Killer Frost's proposal is? Caitlin with her medical expertise is the only solution for Barry's memories to be restored, so Killer Frost makes an offer that "I'll do this for you, if you do this for me!" Maybe this is the only way Killer Frost earns Savitar's trust back or something. I think this will be the true test of the "one shall betray you" prophecy.
     
  5. Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    Why is your theory in spoilers? It's just a theory and not even what might necessarily happen.

    Anyway, "one shall betray you" might refer just as easily to Barry himself as the traitor.
     
  6. Dark Raven The Gal from Themyscira

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    What if Savitar doesn't tell Barry how he came to be but decides to keep it a secret so that Barry can't try to take preventative measures to stop this happening in the future?
     
  7. terry78 baby, that chicken was dry...real dry

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    So he's a time remnant, to an extent. Barry created him everytime he went back in time dicking around.
     
  8. Primal Slayer Let the Siren scream

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    I knew it! I knew it! I knew it!
     
  9. NotNickFury Registered

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    Cisco saying he hates spin-offs.

    Okay, I did like that line.
     
  10. Speed Force Goober

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    Bart Allen nod!
     
  11. Primal Slayer Let the Siren scream

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    I hate it when they do these things, be consistent a little...like evil Barry wouldn't have been affected that quickly.
     
  12. NotNickFury Registered

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    I know it wasn't intentional, but the idea of going into Barry's mind like that reminded me of that Justice League Unlimited episode "Great Brain Robbery" where Wally and Luthor switch minds.

    [YT]qPefOfu2TIU[/YT]
     
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    Surprised it effected Savitar as well(as least this soon). Too bad Killer Frost is probably going to fix Savitar, or whenever Cisco fixes Barry first.
     
  14. Guts Smug

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    Why would they allow a laptop in a court room?
     
  15. Primal Slayer Let the Siren scream

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    This is more annoying then funny
     
  16. Wildcard Cataclysmic Titan

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    I wonder how Killer Frost is planning on remedying this whole situation.
     
  17. terry78 baby, that chicken was dry...real dry

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    And there goes Iris again ****ing up the plan. You're hot, but you be in the way, baby girl.
     
  18. NotNickFury Registered

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    I think STAR Labs might have worse security than Arkham Asylum.
     
  19. Primal Slayer Let the Siren scream

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    I know I have to keep my mind in check and not really think about things "realistically" but....shouldn't the entire present be changing now? It took a hot second for Wally to lose his powers due to Savitar never granting them to him, so what happened to the entire first half of the season?
     
  20. The Chris TDK Trilogy Forever!

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    That was a dumb statement even for Iris.
     
  21. Primal Slayer Let the Siren scream

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    [​IMG]

    It's like they couldn't come up with a way to keep this storyline going until the finale so they did a major side step and put the story on pause for a week.
     
  22. NotNickFury Registered

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    Caitlin only doesn't love Julian because she hates anyone from House Slytherin.
     
  23. Wildcard Cataclysmic Titan

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    The whole idea of Wally even losing his powers in the first place if Barry loses his memories is just confusing and odd.
     
  24. Speed Force Goober

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    Wasn't a bad episode, but this season is really kinda starting to drag and it's probably my favorite show.

    Really hope they change some things up next season.

    Savitar has just been a weak big bad compared to Reverse Flash and even Zoom.

    Liked the Bart Allen nod, the DBZ reference and things like that. Really thought Cisco was gonna use the memory thing on Caitlin and have that be the reason she reverts back.
     
  25. Wildcard Cataclysmic Titan

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    Agreed. I like the idea behind Savitar and Tobin Bell doing the voice and hell, even his design. He looks badass. But the execution has been lacking and he doesn't have the same presence that Reverse Flash and Zoom had. Both gave you no shortage of "oh ****" moments. Savitar hasn't really ever done that.

    Seems that way when they resort to cause and effect situations like tonight.

    When did he ever stop being annoying?
     

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