Justice League The Joss Whedon Thread

[Lily Adler]

So Tarsem Singh?

 

[Lookhowfunnyiam]

really? The snyder fans can't accept that he is in any way responsible for the failure of justice league, so whedon becomes the bad guy. Whereas the truth is that snyder's previous movies are the main reason why jl is flopping, while the studio interference with whedon just made things worse.

ding ding ding

 

[FunkMiller]

Maybe you should try shutting up then.

You know that's a dumb thing to say to someone who just happens not to share the same opinion as you. I know it's impossible for you to accept that Snyder shares the blame in the disaster we've seen unfolding, but you don't need to say stuff like that to others who think different.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

Maybe you should try shutting up then.

Careful or you'll get an infraction too. You're not allowed to speak against them and have a different opinion. And you're not allowed to defend your position. Remember - we are delusional "bros", they speak facts!

 

[FunkMiller]

Careful or you'll get an infraction too. You're not allowed to speak against them and have a different opinion. And you're not allowed to defend your position. Remember - we are delusional "bros", they speak facts!

Believe me, if there was a 'they'... they wouldn't let me be part of it.

Also... how is telling somebody else to shut up 'defending your position'?

 

[FunkMiller]

I don't dislike Joss Whedon. Some of his films I've loved, and there's no denying that much of the success of Avengers was down to him.

But bringing a director like him on board - one who's known for a lighter and more comedic take on things - to finish a Zack Snyder film, was a mistake IMO.

Whether you disliked MOS and BvS or not (I loved both), there's no denying that Snyder had a very clear tone and style and was trying to build the characters in this new DC universe. By changing that style and tone substantially in JL (not just with reshoots, but in terms of editing and affecting the pacing) it made the film much more generic and middling. It wasn't a bad film in my opinion, but it was nowhere near the epic event that I had been expecting - for years - that the first cinematic Justice League live action movie would be (discounting that 80s TV one). Everything in the film seemed to lack focus.

IMO they should have got a director closer to Snyder's sensibilities. Maybe it wouldn't have been as funny (assuming you found JL funny) or as light, but it would at least have been consistent in terms of the 3-movie arc that Snyder was working towards.

Completely agree with that. Somebody like Alex Proyas? Rodriguez?

 

[flickchick85]

Careful or you'll get an infraction too. You're not allowed to speak against them and have a different opinion. And you're not allowed to defend your position. Remember - we are delusional "bros", they speak facts!

Actually, you're not allowed to tell other posters to shut up. For the record. So let's all move on and keep this civil, shall we?

 

[elgaz]

Completely agree with that. Somebody like Alex Proyas? Rodriguez?

Along those lines yeah. Gods of Egypt was awful but Proyas has done sterling work before.

 

[I Am The Knight]

The Superman opening and Batman opening scenes were great.

 

[Micromind]

"Do you bleed" line was unnecessary, I think it was just written to make us realize that this Superman is angry but then, how can he just remember that he had a fight with Batman and conveniently forget that Batman saved his mother and helped them defeat Doomsday ?

Had Lex Luthor showed up, instead of Batman.. I can see why his presence would make Superman angry again, so what was the purpose of that line ?

I think it was Whedon's addition.

 

[heatvision38]

Really? The Snyder fans can't accept that he is in any way responsible for the failure of Justice League, so Whedon becomes the bad guy. Whereas the truth is that Snyder's previous movies are the main reason why JL is flopping, while the studio interference with Whedon just made things worse.

People have been critical of Whedon since Age of Ultron. This is nothing new.

 

[kguillou]

Ideally Joss and Snyder should have been collaborators since the beginning. They should've reached out to Joss day 1 to do rewrites on the script during that interum between BvS' release and the start of filming for JL. If I remember correctly there was at least a solid month or two gap before they started filming.

 

[Patchwork Man]

I find it fascinating how much people have turned on Whedon. The guy is responsible for Buffy, Angel (my personal favorite show), Firefly, and the movie off that show, Serenity, and the Avengers. Serenity actually is a well-balanced movie. Sure, it has Whedonisms, but before Age of Ultron (and perhaps before Avengers, though I do love that movie), Whedon was known for his wit combined with heartfelt drama and mythology all really well balanced. I think Age of Ultron really soured people on him fast.

While I like the first Avengers film well enough, as a gatecrasher and generally entertaining film, I've never been a fan of the guy, nor his shows (and I did try watching Serenity, but it was boring, sorry).

I knew he was going to cheese up Justice League. But he did do some things right, Batman's dialogue in his reshoots not being one of them.

 

[FunkMiller]

People have been critical of Whedon since Age of Ultron. This is nothing new.

Oh, and Whedon deserves to have some criticism levelled at him for the role he played in the movie. What does my head in though is when people refuse point blank to ascribe any blame to Snyder for his role in this mess, and try to shift all of the blame onto Whedon. It's not fair. Both men played their part - along with the idiot brigade at WB - in creating this dumpster fire.

 

[GreenKToo]

If it were not so sad it would be funny. I can just see the pencil pushers in a panic after BvS and saying, "let's add humor to jl and make it brighter."

( watches final cut )" Not enough jokes or brightness, bring in whedon, cut out that hour plus, reshoot all those scenes."
( watches it again ) laughs. Perfect........

Waits on b.o. $$$$$$$$$$$$$ to roll in. Waiting, Waiting, Waiting, waiting, wai.......

 

[FunkMiller]

If it were not so sad it would be funny. I can just see the pencil pushers in a panic after BvS and saying, "let's add humor to jl and make it brighter."

( watches final cut )" Not enough jokes or brightness, bring in whedon, cut out that hour plus, reshoot all those scenes."
( watches it again ) laughs. Perfect they said........
Waits on b.o. $$$$$$$$$$$$$. Waiting. Waiting. Waiting.........

No. They probably should have just put Snyder's cut out and reaped what the sowed, the feckless goons.

 

[Reel-Man]

I've seen plenty of blame and specially hate thrown at Snyder. Not sure where you're getting this impression that he's being given a free pass. Isn't 99.9% of the bickering on this forum and media online about how Zack destroyed the DCEU and people's childhoods?

No. They probably should have just put Snyder's cut out and reaped what the sowed, the feckless goons.

This we agree on.

 

[Patchwork Man]

I can't imagine those guys, sitting in their plush screening room, watching the theatrical cut of Justice League and going "Yeah, perfect, that's exactly what audiences want."

The "idiot brigade" is exactly who's to blame.

 

[FunkMiller]

I've seen plenty of blame and specially hate thrown at Snyder. Not sure where you're getting this impression that he's being given a free pass. Isn't 99.9% of the bickering on this forum and media online about how Zack destroyed the DCEU and people's childhoods?
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Obviously that was George Lucas.

 

[Reel-Man]

Obviously that was George Lucas.

Well played sir. t:

 

[GreenKToo]

There is Plenty of blame to go around. I bet if they had it to do over they would have waited another year to get it right.

It feels like they knew it wasn't gonna be a hit, but put it out anyway, knowing it would split everyone down the middle ( yet again ).
I don't know if they have any goodwill left, they have probably spent it all save for ww.

 

[bubbadoom]

I assume all those worthless scenes with the Russian family was JW's doing...

 

[BaneandDawn]

Joss Whedon have two critically acclaimed CBMs, one of them being the top most grossed superhero film ever and it's the film that made studios go for the "shared universe". Whedon also had to be stuck with doing Snyder's visual, was stuck with Snyder/Terrio script, aspect ratio etc. Whedon doesn't overuse CGI as Snyder does and his films doesn't have video-game look as Snyder films. He also had too short time.

I don't blame it on Snyder either since Justice League theatrical cut is not his vision.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

If you count MOS and the BVSUC as Snyder movies that had their intended vision carried out, then yeah I agree JL was never going to be the 90%+ RT near universal acclaim that some hoped for.

I think at best we would have gotten MOS like mixed to positive reviews for BVSUC, and JL.

Still better than what we got in theaters though

 

[Benal]

Thank you Joss. Made the trilogy complete