The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 7

[fangz]

Yes at this stage, I'd say he's leaning more Ultimates in the mercenary department - but again considering the mindless drone thing, I think we need to wait until we see a bit more character development from him in another film. He's only been in one film really (I don't count the Thor cameo). Whereas Fox had 3 films to get someone like Cyclops or Storm right and they never did IMO. I haven't seen DOFP yet however so I don't know if they were magically fixed somehow.

i can see the stage really being set for some possibly great X-Men films, after Apocalypse. I am super excited about the X-Men film after the next one. and as long as Singer is gone.
everything will be set up perfect for someone fresh to come in and have a team that will probably look like...
Storm
Cyclops
Marvel Girl/Phoenix
Wolverine (probably not Jackman too, but younger one to make more sense with Scott and Jean who will be considerably younger)
Beast
Angel

and hopefully, Colossus, Nightcrawler and Sprite/Kitty.

how rad would that be? and Prof X would be like just minding the shop where he belongs and sending out his covert team (cuz there will be no school yet) on missions. and then on missions, they will be the X-Men.

Gambit can have his solo movie. good. he can show up in New X-Men 2. we aren't gonna get true original five, but I don't care, if we get that team above, like that era, and just a real goddam team X-Men movie, i will be so happy. (and if Singer is somewhere else)

and ps... dethpillow says hello. :0)
i know cuz i just talked to myself right before i wrote that. haha.

 

[fangz]

my personal thing against Hawkeye in MCU is Renner mostly. he just doesn't embody what I feel Hawkeye is.
Hawkeye to me is more of a scrappy guy. like kind of a dog that's been kicked too many times when it was young and just learns to adapt to that. so he's not all like bulldog like Renner comes off. I think that was a bad casting, but maybe gotta wait and see, like u guys are saying. but even with sarcasm and a change in attitude and stuff and talking about the 'carny days', i think Renner is really embodying ultra secret ops SHIELD loose cannon heavy rubberized leather rappeling covert mission meathead dude who cracks wise and doesn't take ****.

that's what Renner seems like to me. and it's just not Hawkeye. Hawkeye is kinda less thick and dummyish and way vulnerable emotionally and in group situations.

 

[Kelly]

my personal thing against Hawkeye in MCU is Renner mostly. he just doesn't embody what I feel Hawkeye is.
Hawkeye to me is more of a scrappy guy. like kind of a dog that's been kicked too many times when it was young and just learns to adapt to that. so he's not all like bulldog like Renner comes off. I think that was a bad casting, but maybe gotta wait and see, like u guys are saying. but even with sarcasm and a change in attitude and stuff and talking about the 'carny days', i think Renner is really embodying ultra secret ops SHIELD loose cannon heavy rubberized leather rappeling covert mission meathead dude who cracks wise and doesn't take ****.

that's what Renner seems like to me. and it's just not Hawkeye. Hawkeye is kinda less thick and dummyish and way vulnerable emotionally and in group situations.

I am an example of what "could possibly" happen with this F4 movie, EXCEPT THAT we have had 2 others that "at the least" had the look of the F4 with some characterization spot on. But, in regards to Hawkeye....I had never heard of the character when I went to see The Avengers, therefore I walked in, probably with many others, that had never heard of the character, and I loved the torn emotions of him, and the one on one scenes with Black Widow, so I can't see anyone else playing Hawkeye. So, though I understand you not seeing the character you love from the comics, to the general audience they may very well love the character. That is the distinct possibility that lovers of the comic characterization have to contend with with these movies.

Doom however is far different IMO, than say a Hawkeye, or other secondary characters out there. He IS THE VILLAIN MYTHOS of Comicdom. So to me it is just pure disrespect to do this to the character.

 

[fangz]

I am an example of what "could possibly" happen with this F4 movie, EXCEPT THAT we have had 2 others that "at the least" had the look of the F4 with some characterization spot on. But, in regards to Hawkeye....I had never heard of the character when I went to see The Avengers, therefore I walked in, probably with many others, that had never heard of the character, and I loved the torn emotions of him, and the one on one scenes with Black Widow, so I can't see anyone else playing Hawkeye. So, though I understand you not seeing the character you love from the comics, to the general audience they may very well love the character. That is the distinct possibility that lovers of the comic characterization have to contend with with these movies.

Doom however is far different IMO, than say a Hawkeye, or other secondary characters out there. He IS THE VILLAIN MYTHOS of Comicdom. So to me it is just pure disrespect to do this to the character.

good point about Hawkeye. and I know lots of people love Renner in the role.

but also, i wasn't saying any of that in defense of Doom. not at all.
and i'm only saying this becuz I hate that kind of tit for tat, when people bring up unequivalent things and act like they are somehow supposed to be proof that someone else is wrong about disliking something.

so i hear you. and actually, very true on Hawkeye. that's my own personal wish for what he would be, so right on.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

everything will be set up perfect for someone fresh to come in and have a team that will probably look like...
Storm
Cyclops
Marvel Girl/Phoenix
Wolverine (probably not Jackman too, but younger one to make more sense with Scott and Jean who will be considerably younger)
Beast
Angel

and hopefully, Colossus, Nightcrawler and Sprite/Kitty.

how rad would that be?

Now that I could get on board with. It's been one of my biggest pet peeves about the X-Men universe along with the tight black leather, Wolverine centric plots and gross mischaracterizations - why why WHY can we NOT see a film with the classic line up from Giant Size X-Men 1? It's also part of the reason why I'm not in love with Vaughn's First Class like other folks. Here you have the perfect opportunity to start fresh and you completely half-ass it with your semi-reboot where you pick characters out of a hat purely based on what cool new powers could we show? (to quote Laura Shuler Donner from the DVD commentary).

and ps... dethpillow says hello. :0)
i know cuz i just talked to myself right before i wrote that. haha.

What's up dethpillow?? I've been laying off that "other" site lately because I got tired of the juvenile idiocy, the site is too buggy and I'm terrified of spoilers for Age of Ultron. This site is so much better for having actual intelligent conversations with folks.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

my personal thing against Hawkeye in MCU is Renner mostly. he just doesn't embody what I feel Hawkeye is.
Hawkeye to me is more of a scrappy guy. like kind of a dog that's been kicked too many times when it was young and just learns to adapt to that. so he's not all like bulldog like Renner comes off. I think that was a bad casting, but maybe gotta wait and see, like u guys are saying. but even with sarcasm and a change in attitude and stuff and talking about the 'carny days', i think Renner is really embodying ultra secret ops SHIELD loose cannon heavy rubberized leather rappeling covert mission meathead dude who cracks wise and doesn't take ****.

that's what Renner seems like to me. and it's just not Hawkeye. Hawkeye is kinda less thick and dummyish and way vulnerable emotionally and in group situations.

That's not a half bad character assessment there dude. Me - I'm still firmly in the "wait and see" camp with Renner's Hawkeye. (I actually felt the same way about Marsden's Cyclops after X2 - again he was just a drone funnily enough but instead of seeing his character redeemed in X3 they made him even whinier and pathetic than ever and then went and killed him off screen! Ugghhhhh!)

I agree with Kelly's take on Renner's performance thus far. I think he's been good with potential to be much better. I don't think he's bad casting. If anything we'll probably end up with an Ultimate/616 hybrid version of Hawkeye but there's part of me that thinks he could surprise us yet. I'll have a better grasp on this version of the character after we see a full movie where he's actually himself the entire time. Hawkeye's one of my favorite Avengers so I was pleased to hear that Joss had bigger things in store for him this next go around. (I was less pleased that the same was in store for Black Widow - I'm not a huge fan of her character but I know Joss loves his female protagonists.)

 

[Dasher10]

I feel that now that Wolverine has his own films, we won't have the same problems that the first three films had with Wolverine hogging the spotlight. First Class was about Magneto and DOFP was about Xavier. I think it's fair to say that XMA will be about Cyclops. Magneto will redeem himself, Mystique will adopt baby Rogue, Xavier will begin training the X-Men, Wolverine will get his old memories back and Cyclops will take over as leader.

Singer isn't the problem. If anything he's the reason why the franchise is even successful in the first place. If Scott, Jean and Ororo are joining up this time and X-Force is truly next, then I'm 90% positive that Singer will put Scott in charge.

 

[First Avenger]

Thank you. Thor is not some hippie wannabe god with groupies and a supersuit. The only "Ultimate" aspects of Thor in the films are the fact that:

A) He doesn't wear his helmet
B) He wore a capeless costume similar to the Ultimates in the Avengers
C) He doesn't have an alter ego like Donald Blake

And as far as that last point, even Simonson ditched the alter ego during his classic 616 run. And Branagh had said in commentary the alter ego was something they thought they might explore down the road.

Otherwise Thor is very much Thor from the 616 universe. Even though they've cooled it with the Shakespearean dialect (which as much as I love it - doesn't even make sense anyway) he still speaks like you would expect Thor to. Any other changes to his character are drawn from other storylines like Warren Ellis' or Straczynski's run.

100% agree.

 

[justanotherguy]

I am an example of what "could possibly" happen with this F4 movie, EXCEPT THAT we have had 2 others that "at the least" had the look of the F4 with some characterization spot on. But, in regards to Hawkeye....I had never heard of the character when I went to see The Avengers, therefore I walked in, probably with many others, that had never heard of the character, and I loved the torn emotions of him, and the one on one scenes with Black Widow, so I can't see anyone else playing Hawkeye. So, though I understand you not seeing the character you love from the comics, to the general audience they may very well love the character. That is the distinct possibility that lovers of the comic characterization have to contend with with these movies.

Doom however is far different IMO, than say a Hawkeye, or other secondary characters out there. He IS THE VILLAIN MYTHOS of Comicdom. So to me it is just pure disrespect to do this to the character.

You'd never heard of Hawkeye before 2012 and youre a mod on SHH? that strikes me as odd. He's been a core Avenger for years.

 

[Shikamaru]

First 10 seconds of the new AoU trailer pretty much confirmed we're getting the real Hawkeye.

If that scene wasn't pure Hawkeye, I don't know what is.

 

[Kelly]

You'd never heard of Hawkeye before 2012 and youre a mod on SHH? that strikes me as odd. He's been a core Avenger for years.

I came to SHH as a fan of movies, and the Fantastic Four cartoon. I didn't know there was a Marvel or a DC, I had not read a comic since somewhere between 75 and 77 FF comic book, I was a fan of the cartoons...after coming here, I read FF Essentials, fell in love with the MK Fantastic Four and went from there....so, not so odd....just came from a different place.

 

[BETArayBill]

First 10 seconds of the new AoU trailer pretty much confirmed we're getting the real Hawkeye.

If that scene wasn't pure Hawkeye, I don't know what is.

Indeed now can we all get back to hating this fantastic four movie

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

First 10 seconds of the new AoU trailer pretty much confirmed we're getting the real Hawkeye.

If that scene wasn't pure Hawkeye, I don't know what is.

I'll need to watch it.

 

[fangz]

That's not a half bad character assessment there dude. Me - I'm still firmly in the "wait and see" camp with Renner's Hawkeye. (I actually felt the same way about Marsden's Cyclops after X2 - again he was just a drone funnily enough but instead of seeing his character redeemed in X3 they made him even whinier and pathetic than ever and then went and killed him off screen! Ugghhhhh!)

I agree with Kelly's take on Renner's performance thus far. I think he's been good with potential to be much better. I don't think he's bad casting. If anything we'll probably end up with an Ultimate/616 hybrid version of Hawkeye but there's part of me that thinks he could surprise us yet. I'll have a better grasp on this version of the character after we see a full movie where he's actually himself the entire time. Hawkeye's one of my favorite Avengers so I was pleased to hear that Joss had bigger things in store for him this next go around. (I was less pleased that the same was in store for Black Widow - I'm not a huge fan of her character but I know Joss loves his female protagonists.)

I'm 'wait and see' too, of course. and like Shikamaru pointed out above the first bit of the extended trailer is a good start. Someone told me I should see more Renner to get a better idea of him and maybe that's true, but I usually don't judge actors based on what roles i've seen them play specifically, but it couldn't hurt.
and yes, me too about Widow. Cap 2 finally got me able to just accept her as MCU Widow. Before that, I had been really unhappy cuz comparing too much with what I see as Black Widow, but I'm super interested to see where she goes also.

 

[jed]

I feel bad for saying this, but I kinda wish this will flop so Fox can return the rights back to Marvel.

Although it's wishful thinking on my part, cause Fox is going to milk this franchise as much as they can.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I think 99.5% of us are hoping for that. Don't feel bad

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Don't feel bad. The bigger the bomb the better chance the FF go back to their rightful home. There might not be a proper FF film for awhile but Doom, Galactus, Surfer, Annihilus, etc. all come home with it.

 

[justanotherguy]

lifted from another board, maybe Robinson is telling us something.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

lifted from another board, maybe Robinson is telling us something.

What's that from?

 

[Dark Raven]

I feel bad for saying this, but I kinda wish this will flop so Fox can return the rights back to Marvel.

Although it's wishful thinking on my part, cause Fox is going to milk this franchise as much as they can.

I think 99.5% of us are hoping for that. Don't feel bad

Don't feel bad. The bigger the bomb the better chance the FF go back to their rightful home. There might not be a proper FF film for awhile but Doom, Galactus, Surfer, Annihilus, etc. all come home with it.

Yeah, you should only feel bad if you want this movie to succeed and think it is all going well and makes you want to go see it 10 times.

 

[BETArayBill]

I feel bad for saying this, but I kinda wish this will flop so Fox can return the rights back to Marvel.

Although it's wishful thinking on my part, cause Fox is going to milk this franchise as much as they can.

If you felt any other way I'd tell you to get out of this thread

 

[Eddie]

What's that from?

It's from the current run of The Fantastic Four. Y'know, that one that WASN'T cancelled because of this movie. Definitely not.

 

[BETArayBill]

I was just thinking I'm someone who goes to see every comicbook based movie that comes out and even when I don't like it I buy it on bluray (I own Elektra for some reason I don't know why) but this will be the first one I skip entirely entirely in the theater and wait for hbo to run it that's the hate I have for this movie.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I was just thinking I'm someone who goes to see every comicbook based movie that comes out and even when I don't like it I buy it on bluray (I own Elektra for some reason I don't know why) but this will be the first one I skip entirely entirely in the theater and wait for hbo to run it that's the hate I have for this movie.

Same here. Right down to the Elektra part.

Do you have Man-Thing though? That was a recent acquisition for me.

But, yeah, unless things change dramatically (and won't completely rule out the idea that this could be better than it seems until we've seen a little more), this is likely to be the first one I ignore.

I'm ten times more interested in Ant-Man at this point and I've never read an Ant-Man comic book.

 

[Flint Marko]

I think 99.5% of us are hoping for that. Don't feel bad

I have yet to see anyone say otherwise honestly.
The odds of this movie being a critical or financial success are, in my eyes, growing slimmer every day they don't release something.
We don't have a logo, a title, a production still, a shot of the suits, nothing. I can't think of a movie that's ever had this little publicity prior to it's release. Granted it does come out in August of this upcoming year and that is a while, but I remember Thor's first production still coming out a year before it's release. Same with Captain America, same with Spider-man 3, etc.