The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 8

[Dark Raven]

The Kree were optioned as part of the Ms Marvel and Inhumans rights. Black Panther is his own hero since he's part of the Avengers. Skrulls are shared with the Hulk.

Doom and Galactus are part of the FF rights. The same applies to Silver Surfer, Annihilus, Alicia Masters, Mad Thinker, Puppet Master, Blastaar, Terrax, Wizard, Franklin Richards, Valeria Richards, Terminus, Psycho Man and Willie Lumpkin.

As far as grey areas go, what I'm not certain of are Uatu who's either shared or at Fox since he's an integral part of the FF but he's also tied to the Marvel Universe as a whole. Thundra is a Fantastic Four villain but she's also one of She-Hulk's greatest enemies and Agatha Harkness is either with the FF or the Avengers.

Thundra is more of an anti hero than a villain, often allied with the FF and especially the Thing, although she has fought with the Frightful Four (and I don't mean Teller, Jordan, Mara and Bell).

She has also been She Hulk's ally as part of the Lady Liberators. She's not one of She Hulk's greatest enemies. That is Titania.

 

[Dasher10]

Thundra is more of an anti hero than a villain, often allied with the FF and especially the Thing, although she has fought with the Frightful Four (and I don't mean Teller, Jordan, Mara and Bell).

She has also been She Hulk's ally as part of the Lady Liberators. She's not one of She Hulk's greatest enemies. That is Titania.

Ah, I get them mixed up at times. Then yeah, Thundra is with Fox.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well Sandman was part of the original Frightful Four and he's with Sony. So Thundra isn't necessarily with Fox. Neither is Medusa, who was also in the original Frightful Four and a member of the Fantastic Four.

 

[Nokio]

I love the FF, and I would be thrilled to see Marvel's First Family in their proper place in the MCU. But given Marvel's track record, I can't see how they justify giving up anything of value for the character rights, especially since they have quality replacements for the Surfer (Warlock), Galactus (Celestials) and Doom (Kang) already on the roster.

The studio has an enormous lead on both FOX and WB, and I don't see that situation changing anytime soon. But given that Marvel's best hope of getting their mutants back in the fold is for FOX to be bargaining from a position of weakness, I can't see them making any deals that could strengthen FOX's hand.

Agreed. I wouldn't give a thing to FOX. Marvel has to many characters and as you've mentioned that can fill void for the characters they don't control. The Xmen are getting boring. If Marvel can reinvent the Inhumans and have them the source for post humans then by all means do it. I love Galactus and SS too much. The Celestials and Warlock can never replace them in my heart but in a film The Celestials can sub for Galactus, but Warlock for the Surfer?? Not sure about that one.

I've made this argument before that Fox and Sony can not compete in the shared universe concept that Marvel have established. They simply don't have enough characters to do it and combine that with their hit and miss films it will be a very steep uphill battle with ice skates on. They are very limited. The real competition that Marvel may face is from WB, and that's assuming that they ever get their act together.

 

[Art Freak]

I've made this argument before that Fox and Sony can not compete in the shared universe concept that Marvel have established. They simply don't have enough characters to do it and combine that with their hit and miss films it will be a very steep uphill battle with ice skates on. They are very limited. The real competition that Marvel may face is from WB, and that's assuming that they ever get their act together.

Judging by tonight's news, they may have done just that.

 

[Six]

Disney should just buy Fox and Sony. They probably could...

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Agreed. I wouldn't give a thing to FOX. Marvel has to many characters and as you've mentioned that can fill void for the characters they don't control. The Xmen are getting boring. If Marvel can reinvent the Inhumans and have them the source for post humans then by all means do it. I love Galactus and SS too much. The Celestials and Warlock can never replace them in my heart but in a film The Celestials can sub for Galactus, but Warlock for the Surfer?? Not sure about that one.

I've made this argument before that Fox and Sony can not compete in the shared universe concept that Marvel have established. They simply don't have enough characters to do it and combine that with their hit and miss films it will be a very steep uphill battle with ice skates on. They are very limited. The real competition that Marvel may face is from WB, and that's assuming that they ever get their act together.

I think Fox can compete. The X-Men is a large franchise with many characters and concepts. Fox just does a poor job of expanding things beyond the core team and Wolverine in particular. But if Fox was serious about doing things like X-Force, Excalibur, etc., they could.

Sony can't compete. They don't have their own universe. They have ONE lead character and his supporting cast.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Disney should just buy Fox and Sony. They probably could...

They wish they had that much money.

 

[Eddie]

They wish they had that much money.

Disney could realistically buy Sony, especially after Sony drains some more money. I don't think they'd really want to, though. That's kinda like buying a boat with a massive hole in the bottom that's currently out to sea.

 

[SpideyFan866]

If anyone can find any confirmation that there is an hard-year built in, that would make my year.

I can wait until 2021, but I fear that Fox will continue making bad FF films until after I'm dead.

The only confirmation I can give you is that Daredevil, Fantastic Four, and X-Men all had/have the same time frame for when a film has to be released before the rights revert (reset when a new film is released).

And in the case of Daredevil (whose last theatrical film under Fox was 'Electra' in 2005), the rights expired and reverted to Marvel in the Fall of 2012. Also, the last Fantastic Four film was out in 2007, and the rights were all but confirmed to expire this.

So it's 7 years.

 

[Dark Raven]

Disney could realistically buy Sony, especially after Sony drains some more money. I don't think they'd really want to, though. That's kinda like buying a boat with a massive hole in the bottom that's currently out to sea.

Maybe more like buying a boat with a massive hole in the bottom that also has your first born son on board.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Disney could realistically buy Sony, especially after Sony drains some more money. I don't think they'd really want to, though. That's kinda like buying a boat with a massive hole in the bottom that's currently out to sea.

Exactly.

But yeah. They could buy Sony. Even if just the Sony Pictures/Columbia part of it..

They just don't want to, and (as stated before) don't need to. Sony will now be coming to them, and not the other way around. That is, if they haven't already.

 

[Marathon]

Yeah, I think Spider-Man rights' reversal is only a matter of time. Sony is all at sea with the franchise ever since SM3, what with their increasing micro-management and making stuff up as they go along. Not too hard to envisage stuff like Sinister Six flopping.

 

[Mr.M]

Also Bond has been milked after they rebooted. And Spidey is sinking. Where is the value at Columbia Pictures at the moment? I guess they have Rogen/Franco and the Apatow crew for comedies, but eventually Rogen will get too fat and unfunny. Tangent over.

Warners has blown me away though. This is more shocking than Affleck as Batman. I think the major outlets are going to be covering this like crazy once we get some set pics, and costumes I'm assuming, if WB isn't completely incompetent.

 

[Xeno-noesis]

And think Bond has been milked after they rebooted. And Spidey is sinking. Where is the value at Columbia Pictures at the moment? I guess they have Rogen/Franco and the Apatow crew for comedies, but eventually Rogen will get too fat and unfunny. Tangent over.

Warners has blown me away though. This is more shocking than Affleck as Batman. I think the major outlets are going to be covering this like crazy once we get some set pics, and costumes I'm assuming, if WB isn't completely incompetent.

What are you referring to in regard to WB? The casting annoncement for Suicide Squad?

 

[MadVillainy]

Disney buying Sony/Columbia wouldnt be a good move. Obviously Im not in their boardroom but they probably dont need to/shouldnt buy something for a while.

And think Bond has been milked after they rebooted. And Spidey is sinking. Where is the value at Columbia Pictures at the moment? I guess they have Rogen/Franco and the Apatow crew for comedies, but eventually Rogen will get too fat and unfunny. Tangent over.

Warners has blown me away though. This is more shocking than Affleck as Batman. I think the major outlets are going to be covering this like crazy once we get some set pics, and costumes I'm assuming, if WB isn't completely incompetent.

 

[Mr.M]

Didn't want to turn this into a Rogen thread. I like the guy. Sony likes the guy. Let them keep making films together.

Edit: Speaking of Rogen though, maybe Sony is taking their Rogen movie a little more seriously in light of recent events.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/03/media/sony-north-korea-cyberattack/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

[Nokio]

Judging by tonight's news, they may have done just that.

With the Suicide Squad?? That remains to be seen. It may work out but it's just a copy of GOTG from Marvel. I mean snatching up the August release date too? Monkey see Monkey do.

 

[Nokio]

I think Fox can compete. The X-Men is a large franchise with many characters and concepts. Fox just does a poor job of expanding things beyond the core team and Wolverine in particular. But if Fox was serious about doing things like X-Force, Excalibur, etc., they could.

The potential for that boat has sailed and passed in my opinion and even still they can't match Marvel in terms of characters. Their are just to many that Marvel has. Fox is a little better then Sony in terms of numbers but FOX has no idea what to do and how to develop the mutants that is in their universe. They are to Wolverine focused and when First Class became the lowest grossing Xmen film they figured it was because Wolverine wasn't in it. They offered Jackman a multi million dollar deal per pic for something like several more films if i'm not mistaken. I'm not even sure if he accepted or not. I just didn't care enough to follow it.

FOX has made the Xmen as everyone knows way to Wolverine focused. Everything is centered around him while no other characters has really gotten any development. The have developed Charles and Erik more and god help us Mystique for reasons that just baffles me. Mystique is a villain, always was and now they are trying to make her like an anti hero or something because of Jennifer Lawrence'ss popularity. I mean announcing the possibility of a Mystique solo film???? What? I'm sorry but the Xmen has way to many rich characters that deserve film long before Mystique should even be considered.

I'll be fair and say with a good writer and director with vision I believe any character can have a good film even if the box office numbers are so so, even Mystique. Yes she is a complex character but who wants to see a Mystique film, even if it's well done. She is a supporting charter at best and functions as henchman of the main villain. Yes she's had solo efforts in the comics but she just isn't interesting enough to build a movie around. Sorry but FOX don't get it at all.

 

[Avid Avenger]

In fairness, obviously we haven't heard or seen much of this FFINO at all but it is also interesting we haven't heard or seen anything on Spider-Man or Sinister Six in quite a while...

 

[Orba]

In fairness, obviously we haven't heard or seen much of this FFINO at all but it is also interesting we haven't heard or seen anything on Spider-Man or Sinister Six in quite a while...

Yeah but Spider-man and Sinister Six aren't films that finished filming three months ago.

 

[Eddie]

Apparently some Sony internal documents leaked. Long story short, it isn't looking good. Their own employees apparently hate the films they're making. It also confirms that Sony gets nothing from any Spider-Man merchandise. We really already knew that, but this should serve as hard confirmation for the naysayers.

So yeah, look for Marvel to get Spidey back one way or another within the next ten years tops. Now if only the North Koreans would hack Fox and get their dirty laundry out there for the world to see...

 

[RAE072]

Yeah but Spider-man and Sinister Six aren't films that finished filming three months ago.

And come out in 8 months.

I guarantee we won't see an official release teaser until March/April.

Tip: That's how you know it's going to suck.

 

[Dasher10]

And come out in 8 months.

I guarantee we won't see an official release teaser until March/April.

Tip: That's how you know it's going to suck.

GOTG didn't get a trailer until February. I guess that also sucked and wasn't funny. We probably won't get a trailer by the end of the year. Plus, tentpole films get trailer premieres with other films. Odds are that FF will get a trailer alongside Taken 3, Jupiter Ascending, Kingsman: The Secret Service, Insurgent or Furious 7.

 

[RAE072]

GOTG didn't get a trailer until February..

Guardians of the Galaxy actually had a marketing presence.

This film does not. Zip, nada, zero.

Guardians of the Galaxy also had footage available to show LAST YEAR at SDCC.

Leagues more than this film.