The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 8

[TheVileOne]

Yeah all that's hot garbage. For starters, I love Deadpool and gave it a good review.

Also, let's not forget, the studio dragged its feet on Deadpool for like six years. They announced the movie in 2009 for crying out loud. They did a test reel and then just didn't give the movie any movement until until the test reel got leaked. Then they cut another several million right off the budget right before it went into production.

The ones who championed Deadpool were the likes of Tim Miller, Ryan Reynolds and the writers. People were raving about the script for years but it took the leak of the concept footage to finally give the movie the green light. Think about that, the concept footage had to be ILLEGALLY LEAKED.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Yeah all that's hot garbage. For starters, I love Deadpool and gave it a good review.

Didn't you give Logan like an 8.5 out of 10 too?

 

[TheVileOne]

Didn't you give Logan like an 8.5 out of 10 too?

Yeah, there's no point in generalizing like that. I'm sure plenty of fans who love the MCU also enjoyed films like Logan, X-Men First Class, Days of Future Past, Deadpool. It's insanity.

Look, Fox has generally done a terrible job with Fantastic Four. Yeah fans want Marvel to get that IP back because who would do it better other than Marvel right now? Marvel has the track record the money and the ability to turn even the most obscure heroes and material into viable movie franchises.

I kind of want to see the X-Men get a complete reset, including Wolverine, and get something closer in line to the comics for the movies. The movie timeline has just gotten beyond convoluted, and they can't keep it straight anymore. Obviously, that probably won't happen anytime soon. But I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to see that either. Logan was a different type of film, and that's fine. But that doesn't mean Fox is the be-all end all for X-Men.

 

[First Avenger]

Yeah, there's no point in generalizing like that. I'm sure plenty of fans who love the MCU also enjoyed films like Logan, X-Men First Class, Days of Future Past, Deadpool. It's insanity.

Look, Fox has generally done a terrible job with Fantastic Four. Yeah fans want Marvel to get that IP back because who would do it better other than Marvel right now? Marvel has the track record the money and the ability to turn even the most obscure heroes and material into viable movie franchises.

I kind of want to see the X-Men get a complete reset, including Wolverine, and get something closer in line to the comics for the movies. The movie timeline has just gotten beyond convoluted, and they can't keep it straight anymore. Obviously, that probably won't happen anytime soon. But I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to see that either. Logan was a different type of film, and that's fine. But that doesn't mean Fox is the be-all end all for X-Men.

Agreed. I love the MCU and still think Fox has done a great job with some characters so far, but NOT with F4. X2,FC,DoFP,DP,Logan. F4 have nothing,so If I love them of course I want a movie made by Marvel Studios.

 

[jaymes_e06]

^Agreed. I just wish Fox would follow Marvel's unified and much less convoluted connected universe rather than their one film at a time last be damned for continuity philosophy.

 

[First Avenger]

^Agreed. I just wish Fox would follow Marvel's unified and much less convoluted connected universe rather than their one film at a time last be damned for continuity philosophy.

Yeah it's like ever since The Last Stand every movie kind of followed its own continuity. We have Days of Future Past linking the original trilogy and the First Class trilogy but not much else. Deadpool and Logan are pretty much stand-alone right now for me. It's pretty hard to order them in a logical way,but this also offers a nice alternative to Marvel's way. I mean DC is desperately trying to mimic the MCU's interconnected universe and so far it's a mess because they don't seem to have a clear plan,so you gotta be careful with that stuff. Fox just said 'Whatever' with X-Men continuity and most of their movies are still good.

 

[Lilbaz]

FF, SS, Galactus, Doom etc... just seem to be more at home in the mcu than on their own and don't fit with the xmen universe.
It would just open up so many opportunities storywise.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

^Agreed. I just wish Fox would follow Marvel's unified and much less convoluted connected universe rather than their one film at a time last be damned for continuity philosophy.

Yeah, I was really hoping Deadpool would be a new, fresh start, but it doesn't look like they're going to do it that way.

I would love to see films with 1, 2 or 3 characters that allow us to get to really know and care about those characters. Deadpool, Gambit, Cyclops, a new Wolverine, Jean Grey, Storm, etc. Let's see those characters in their own films in a modern, Deadpool era and as we get to know them (in ways the ensemble films never allowed), they can join up in periodic team films that will be bigger events (like Avengers).

They've got the characters to do something very similar to what Marvel did when they started with Iron Man (arguably, the X-Men provide a larger, more diverse, interesting and well-known character group than Marvel has), but they've got to put together a long-range plan and really build something in one simple reality.

And then they can mix and match characters (like Marvel is doing with Winter Soldier, Ragnarok etc.) so that every film feels different because of the character dynamics.

A Cyclops/Storm film would feel very different than a Deadpool/Wolverine film, but they would all take place in the same reality and create a large intriguing, coherent X-Verse.

 

[Zarex]

After Apocalypse disappointed and Logan closed out the OT timeline, I would have left the young X-Men back in the 90s and put every upcoming film in the X-Men Universe in the present day - Deadpool, X-Force, New Mutants, maybe even Gambit. You can also include Legion and the upcoming FOX network show Gifted/Heaven.

You're losing the characters posing in their awful costumes at the end of Apocalypse, but you have plenty still available to build a new cinematic universe with less hinky continuity. But Simon is directing a 90s era X-film and New Mutants is in that same era. It doesn't make a lick of sense.

 

[wobbly]

Yeah it's like ever since The Last Stand every movie kind of followed its own continuity. We have Days of Future Past linking the original trilogy and the First Class trilogy but not much else. Deadpool and Logan are pretty much stand-alone right now for me. It's pretty hard to order them in a logical way,but this also offers a nice alternative to Marvel's way. I mean DC is desperately trying to mimic the MCU's interconnected universe and so far it's a mess because they don't seem to have a clear plan,so you gotta be careful with that stuff. Fox just said 'Whatever' with X-Men continuity and most of their movies are still good.

The group I went with to see Logan asked me where 'Logan' was supposed to fit with the other films before it started, given the happy ending seen at the end DOFP. I just said, "Honestly, don't bother. Think of it as an alternative future, just loosely connected to the other stuff".

And sure enough early on Logan himself says no new mutants have been born for 25 years. So that would be 2004 the last Mutant toddler was spawned. Pretty sure we saw kids (easily under 15) running around the mansion at the end of DOFP, which I think was meant be about 2024.

When we came out they were all like 'yeah, I see what you mean'.

I liked Logan btw. Not quite as good as the reviews were making it out to be (my subjective opinion), but certainly one of Fox's better efforts. Going in knowing there was no point trying to connect the dots helped.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, I just think of Logan as its own separate elseworlds alternature future story like Old Man Logan or Days of Future Past or what have you.

Then again, Days of Future Past doesn't really line up with what happened at the end of The Wolverine either.

 

[Random490]

I think all you need is for Cable to have a throw away line about changing the future in Deadpool 2.

 

[First Avenger]

The group I went with to see Logan asked me where 'Logan' was supposed to fit with the other films before it started, given the happy ending seen at the end DOFP. I just said, "Honestly, don't bother. Think of it as an alternative future, just loosely connected to the other stuff".

And sure enough early on Logan himself says no new mutants have been born for 25 years. So that would be 2004 the last Mutant toddler was spawned. Pretty sure we saw kids (easily under 15) running around the mansion at the end of DOFP, which I think was meant be about 2024.

When we came out they were all like 'yeah, I see what you mean'.

I liked Logan btw. Not quite as good as the reviews were making it out to be (my subjective opinion), but certainly one of Fox's better efforts. Going in knowing there was no point trying to connect the dots helped.

Yeah they just don't care about continuity.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah they just don't care about continuity.

I'm not a huge stickler for continuity and I'll forgive minor divergences in the interest of making a story work. But when it gets outright confusing - as the X-Men world has become - it makes it difficult to enjoy.

 

[GeckoMoria]

I'm not a continuity hardcore either but when i see two completely different versions of Caliban in Logan and Apocalypse with only one year difference in the films and Mangold admitting no one paid attention to that during filming really bugs me off. Also why the hell has Logan still Yukio's sword in Logan? Wasn't The Wolverine erased from existence?

 

[Lilbaz]

I'm not a continuity hardcore either but when i see two completely different versions of Caliban in Logan and Apocalypse with only one year difference in the films and Mangold admitting no one paid attention to that during filming really bugs me off. Also why the hell has Logan still Yukio's sword in Logan? Wasn't The Wolverine erased from existence?

Probably the continuation of the wolverine timeline. Changing the past might not erase a timeline just create a new one.

Or just they couldn't be arsed to figure it out and just went with what they wanted.

 

[Spiderine]

They gave the slick explanation that although timelines had been altered by DOFP some things still happen only in a different manner. Like Logan still being captured and experimented on thus getting his adamantium. And at some point he still goes to Japan because he met that guy during WWII.

You will get headaches trying to make sense of Xverse continuity.

 

[Orba]

I especially like that the change in the timeline caused people to be born years earlier, sometimes to before the timeline change even occurred.

 

[metaphysician]

I'm not a huge stickler for continuity and I'll forgive minor divergences in the interest of making a story work. But when it gets outright confusing - as the X-Men world has become - it makes it difficult to enjoy.

I think the X-Men movies crossed the line twice, for me. Once it reached the point that there were as many timelines as movies, I just laughed and went along for the ride. Deadpool helped.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Besides the obvious problems that the messy timeliness creates, they also lose a big advantage that Marvel has.

Imagine somebody is a big Iron Man fan, but they've never liked Captain America. They could skip a film like Winter Soldier, but if they did, there would be a lot of elements of Civil War that they wouldn't really understand.

But if someone is a Deadpool fan, they could easily skip Logan without worrying that they'll miss anything.

 

[Orba]

And the big problem with 10 year time jumps is that 10 years is a long time, those are massive chunks of a person's life that are skipped past. So each film they have to waste time on establishing the new status quo, explaining what the characters have been doing for a decade. Keeping each film within a couple of years of the previous movie allows the audience to be taken with the characters as their stories develop. People can change an awful lot in 10 years so each film the characters are having to be reintroduced, unless they are saying that nothing ever happens to change them during that period.

And if the X-Men films are each 10 years apart and the only really important things that happen to them are every 10 years. Well if that were the case maybe the members will start quitting the year before so that they can avoid the mess to rejoin later, it will be like in Doctor Who where it was revealed that people started leaving London every Xmas because something always happened there at Xmas.

 

[Spiderine]

The most significant problem with the Xmen is they basically showed us the new nice neatly packaged peaceful future or present with the school in tact and everyone alive and well living happily ever after. This is supposed to be the new timeline. So now every film they show in the past like Apocalypse is showing old Xmen adventures with the X kiddies. There were no stakes in Apocalyspe. And there won't be any in the 90's disaster either.

 

[InCali]

Yup their denial is real. DOFP is cringeworthy to them. Deadpool is cringeworthy to them. Logan is cringeworthy to them.....because they arent made by the mouse.

And if they dont even allow sony to make money with Venom, I cant imagine fox can please them with anything.

What a load......what you are doing is taking a small, small subsection of "them" and using it as a stereotype to include a larger group. Believe me, I could do the same for "them" on the "other side", but that would be stupid of "me".

 

[ADollarADay]

I didn't like DOFP, but really enjoyed Deadpool and Logan. Does that make me part of "them"?

 

[legendkillin]

I didn't like DOFP, but really enjoyed Deadpool and Logan. Does that make me part of "them"?

I liked all three but didn't like Apocalypse.

I don't know what Fox has planned for X-Men the story lines felt done. They focus way too much on Quicksilver in those movies, surprised they don't have a solo planned.

I think Deadpool should be his own thing. Colossus and Mega Teen were good for his movie. I don't see them fitting into a traditional X-Men movie like that.