The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 8

[RAE072]

Does he have a blogging handle? Yes.

 

[marvelmadness13]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercureyx View Post

If you had to single out your single biggest concern, what would it be?

In a word, Doom. Can you comment if he'll be even close to traditional Doom?

He's an egomaniac. Gets powers. Wears trash bags and a Dark Elf mask and becomes the F4's nemesis by the end of the film.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

He's an egomaniac. Gets powers. Wears a mask and cape and becomes the F4's nemesis by the end of the film.

Sounds more like Doom from the first film than anything I want to see, but thanks for the response.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

If you had to single out your single biggest concern, what would it be?

In a word, Doom. Can you comment if he'll be even close to traditional Doom?

He's an egomaniac. Gets powers. Wears a mask and cape and becomes the F4's nemesis by the end of the film.

See that right there tells me it's not traditional Doom. It's the same crap as the Story films. Doom doesn't have powers. He doesn't need powers. He has his mind. He has his science and technology and he practices sorcery. And he rules his own freaking country. He's not some blogger who gets powers.

I've said it for years and it's still true. Fox does not get the Fantastic Four. At all. If they did they wouldn't always be mucking around with it like they do. It's just some property they licensed years ago that they are too afraid to let go of because they are convinced that there's money in there somewhere. They hold it at arm's length while shaking and poking and prodding it hoping it will yield some of that Marvel $$$.

Meanwhile a film featuring a talking tree and racoon is now domestically the highest grossing movie of the year.

 

[Kelly]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercureyx View Post

If you had to single out your single biggest concern, what would it be?

In a word, Doom. Can you comment if he'll be even close to traditional Doom?

He's an egomaniac. Gets powers. Wears a mask and cape and becomes the F4's nemesis by the end of the film.

So Doom being a blogger isn't true?

The blogging stuff is getting blown way out of proportion. Does he have a blogging handle? Yes. Is he a professional blogger and is the story in any way related to that? No.

So, he is isn't actually Doom as we have known him for decades....ok, well at least know what we aren't getting.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Fox does not get the Fantastic Four. At all.

They're about as good at making Fantastic Four movies as Stevie Wonder is at driving.

They have to realize they don't know what they're doing . . . don't they? Are they actually deluded into believing they have clue . . . or are they just blindly fumbling and hoping they'll somehow get lucky and it will all work out?

A Doom without powers can modify his armor to circumstances and become nearly invincible. Powers are highly limited in comparison.

 

[Dark Raven]

They're about as good at making Fantastic Four movies as Stevie Wonder is at driving.

They have to realize they don't know what they're doing . . . don't they? Are they actually deluded into believing they have clue . . . or are they just blindly fumbling and hoping they'll somehow get lucky and it will all work out?

A Doom without powers can modify his armor to circumstances and become nearly invincible. Powers are highly limited in comparison.

Hey, Stevie Wonder did record a song called "Don't Drive Drunk" on "The Woman in Red" soundtrack.

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So obviously driving blind wasn't a problem for him, just driving under the influence of alcohol.

So when he was sober, he would be thoroughly capable of driving.

 

[Dasher10]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercureyx View Post

If you had to single out your single biggest concern, what would it be?

In a word, Doom. Can you comment if he'll be even close to traditional Doom?

He's an egomaniac. Gets powers. Wears a mask and cape and becomes the F4's nemesis by the end of the film.

So Doom being a blogger isn't true?

The blogging stuff is getting blown way out of proportion. Does he have a blogging handle? Yes. Is he a professional blogger and is the story in any way related to that? No.

What are you quoting?

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

They're about as good at making Fantastic Four movies as Stevie Wonder is at driving.

Good analogy.

They have to realize they don't know what they're doing . . . don't they? Are they actually deluded into believing they have clue . . . or are they just blindly fumbling and hoping they'll somehow get lucky and it will all work out?

I honestly have no clue. There's obviously doubt there otherwise they wouldn't have been trying to replace Trank before they decided to go through with this thing. I wish Fox would get hacked like Sony and then we'd really know what's up. But in the end I think they decided "Why the hell not?" and "What have we got to lose?". Rather than lose the rights give it one more shot with a really low budget and see what happens. I think if Tranktastic tanks they'll wait it out seven more years and then let the license lapse. If it's a moderately successful film (and with the low budget it won't be hard) they'll green light another mediocre low budget sequel just like ROTSS was. As long as it stays in the green they risk no exposure and get to keep a valuable property out of their rival's hands.

A Doom without powers can modify his armor to circumstances and become nearly invincible. Powers are highly limited in comparison.

I would argue giving him powers cheapens his character. Powers are a crutch. Doom is the ultimate self made man perhaps even more so than Stark because there is nothing he does not strive to master in both the realm of the scientific and the mystic. By contrast, Johnny and the Thing are gifted with incredibly powerful abilities but not always very bright and they can easily be defeated by Doom who's always one step ahead. It's Reed's genius vs. Victor's that is the real conflict.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

They're about as good at making Fantastic Four movies as Stevie Wonder is at driving.

They have to realize they don't know what they're doing . . . don't they? Are they actually deluded into believing they have clue . . . or are they just blindly fumbling and hoping they'll somehow get lucky and it will all work out?

A Doom without powers can modify his armor to circumstances and become nearly invincible. Powers are highly limited in comparison.

Fox is well aware it is junk. That's why they aren't showing anything.

 

[pavlov]

Fox is well aware it is junk. That's why they aren't showing anything.

That is hard to justify when you already have a sequel lined up.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Lining up a sequel is hard to justify when you're embarrassed about your lead-off film.

 

[pavlov]

Lining up a sequel is hard to justify when you're embarrassed about your lead-off film IMO.

There I fixed it. We wouldn't want to confuse opinion with fact, would we?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

That is hard to justify when you already have a sequel lined up.

Fox set a date for a sequel . . . but didn't like the director enough to sign him for the sequel.

What's that tell you?

 

[marvelmadness13]

A fact would be that any studio that was proud of a film and thought it could be tremendously successful would show it off and promote it. If Fox was embarrassed why did they release set photos, a poster and talk about this every chance they get... Oh wait...

 

[Whiskey Tango]

There I fixed it.

No, you were just obnoxious. Congratulations!

I would consider losing the attitude though. It's going to get you into trouble (again)

 

[Eddie]

That is hard to justify when you already have a sequel lined up.

X-Men Origins: Wolverine had two direct spin-offs lined up (Deadpool and Gambit), plus "X-Men Origins" was supposed to be a new subfranchise with a Magneto film that didn't happen. Dragonball Evolution had a sequel lined up (the cast was already signed for it and they mentioned it in interviews promoting DBE). Moving away from Fox, Spider-Man 4 was announced and was partway through the casting process. Marvel Studios had Runaways lined up. Basically, that scheduled sequel date is meaningless for the time being.

 

[ThePhantasm]

There I fixed it. We wouldn't want to confuse opinion with fact, would we?

Everything that someone says is their opinion. But thanks for your condescending input, captain obvious! Let's all stand up and cheer for you.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

There I fixed it. We wouldn't want to confuse opinion with fact, would we?

I'm just curious - you seem upset by those of us who rag on this reboot - why do you defend this film so much? What is it about it that you are looking forward to? Would you rather see Fox reinvent the FF than see a faithful version as part of the Marvel Universe proper?

 

[ThePhantasm]

That is hard to justify when you already have a sequel lined up. IMO

There, I fixed it. Everyone applaud my genius!

 

[Dasher10]

Fox set a date for a sequel . . . but didn't like the director enough to sign him for the sequel.

What's that tell you?

That Marvel didn't have faith in Thor or Captain America and aren't fans of Age of Ultron?

X-Men Origins: Wolverine had two direct spin-offs lined up (Deadpool and Gambit), plus "X-Men Origins" was supposed to be a new subfranchise with a Magneto film that didn't happen. Dragonball Evolution had a sequel lined up (the cast was already signed for it and they mentioned it in interviews promoting DBE). Moving away from Fox, Spider-Man 4 was announced and was partway through the casting process. Marvel Studios had Runaways lined up. Basically, that scheduled sequel date is meaningless for the time being.

The Magneto film was retitled First Class during production since the producers thought that it would sell better that way and they could reboot the franchise to get it back on track if the film succeeded (which they did because First Class and The Wolverine worked). So now we have a whole new timeline and unlike Warner and Disney, Fox is being smart and giving fans films set in the past which no other studio is currently doing.

 

[Eddie]

That Marvel didn't have faith in Thor or Captain America and aren't fans of Age of Ultron?

Joss Whedon has been working nearly non-stop for Marvel as both a director and a consultant. It's really not that big of a deal that he isn't coming back for a third and fourth Avengers film. He's been fairly open about wanting to do some other projects, anyway. He's already given a great deal to Marvel. As for your (silly) Thor and Cap comparisons, Joe Johnston actually was in talks to come back to Marvel via Agent Carter (I don't think it's 100% confirmed if he is or not, but there clearly isn't serious bad blood). Kenneth Branagh, meanwhile, has typically had no problem finding work in his long career. Marvel films are a great deal of work and he's been doing other things. He didn't seem to have a problem with Marvel's parent company, either, as he directed a Cinderella film for them that releases next year.
EDIT: And as for First Class, nope. Magneto got merged with a separate project after the "Origins" project failed. At one time, Magneto and First Class were different projects.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

There, I fixed it. Everyone applaud my genius!

 

[Zarex]

So now we have a whole new timeline and unlike Warner and Disney, Fox is being smart and giving fans films set in the past which no other studio is currently doing.

Age of Ultron and Ant Man will have scenes in the 40s and 60s, respectively. The miniseries Agent Carter is set in the 40s. Rumor has it that Wonder Woman will be set in the 20s.

FOX is setting its films in the past so that they can continue to recycle the same few X-Men characters over and over and over.

 

[Eddie]

Age of Ultron and Ant Man will have scenes in the 40s and 60s, respectively. The miniseries Agent Carter is set in the 40s. Rumor has it that Wonder Woman will be set in the 20s.

FOX is setting its films in the past so that they can continue to recycle the same few X-Men characters over and over and over.

Ant-Man is also getting an official tie-in comic set in the 60's. Hell, the statement that Fox is the only studio making period pieces is completely ignorant. Captain America: The First Avenger was a period piece, the Agent Carter One Shot was a period piece, the Agent Carter series will be a period piece, and parts of Ant-Man will be a period piece. Marvel Studios is doing that particular trick just as much as Fox.