The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 8

[Orba]

Even those who have read the contract may not know exactly what is possible.

A patent lawyer once told me: "We can't be sure exactly what your patent does and doesn't cover until we take it to court and a judge decides."

Yes, and going to court can open Pandora's box. You both have to hope that the Judge you get reads the contract the same as you do, and you have to hope that the court case doesn't stray into areas that you would rather it didn't. I can't imagine that the Mutant X case turned out the way Fox planned when they opened it.

True, Feige wasn't even sure about who owned King Pin once Daredevil reverted. So I'm not about to take the word of the guy who created Domashev seriously.(Kinberg)

Sure it's all speculation but some speculation is more plausible than other types.

So if Fox could kill two birds with one stone in order to keep the rights, they would have already.

Yup, its pretty clear that Fox don't have a lot of hope or confidence in this film. If they could get away with throwing the FF into the X-Men in order to renew the rights, saving them the cost of this current production, then they would have.

 

[Mr.M]

Question, if SS is on the seven year deal, wouldn't he have to show up in the reboot else Fox loses him? I don't think SS is separate. I think the seven years Deadpool thing may just be coincidence. They can use it as a precursor to Apocalypse is all, just like Origins and DoFP.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Question, if SS is on the seven year deal, wouldn't he have to show up in the reboot else Fox loses him? I don't think SS is separate. I think the seven years Deadpool thing may just be coincidence. They can use it as a precursor to Apocalypse is all, just like Origins and DoFP.

in another thread i mentioned that there must be some sort of clause that reverts rights back to a parent comic title... SS and Galactus are packaged together, and their rights must renew with F4 (their parent) but can be bought off separately, like marvel tried to do.

 

[Dasher10]

One deal I'm surprised never went through was a deal to share the Shi'Ar and Brood with Marvel in exchange for production of merchandise. The Brood have never been as important to the X-Men as they are to Captain Marvel and the Shi'Ar can easily be shared so both studios can use them which allows Marvel to do war of Kings. Fox gets Marvel to Market their film in return.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well... do we know for sure that fox even has those?

 

[Zarex]

Well... do we know for sure that fox even has those?

James Gunn confirmed that Marvel didn't have the rights to the Brood. We don't know which studio holds the Shi'ar rights.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well truth be told... no matter how important the brood is to captain marvel... we are getting a different captain marvel. And the brood (and especially the shi'ar have FAR more stories in the x-books over any other series

 

[Eddie]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57821

Marvel promises most controversial Fantastic Four story of the century in March.

Sadly, this is a lie. That's happening in August.

 

[Dasher10]

James Gunn confirmed that Marvel didn't have the rights to the Brood. We don't know which studio holds the Shi'ar rights.

I know he said that Marvel don't own the Badoon (who are over at Fox) or Bug (who's over at a Japanese toy company) but it kind of sucks that Marvel can't use the Brood when they're some of Carol's greatest foes. I'm guessing that the Shi'Ar are also at Fox which means no War of Kings crossover between the Guardians and Inhumans, no Avengers or Guardians Galactic Storm film and neither studio can legally make a Darkhawk film.

I still hold that if Fox wants merch produced, they should sell back the Shi'Ar and Brood. The stories that Marvel can still tell for Guardians are Kree/Skrull War, Annihilation Conquest, Celestial Madonna and the inevitable Guardians 2 plot line about Adam Warlock and the Universal Church of Truth.

 

[psylockolussus]

If Fox wants the merchandizes rights, they would have gotten that or at least offer a deal a long time ago. IMO, they don't want it.

 

[Zarex]

I know he said that Marvel don't own the Badoon (who are over at Fox) or Bug (who's over at a Japanese toy company) but it kind of sucks that Marvel can't use the Brood when they're some of Carol's greatest foes. I'm guessing that the Shi'Ar are also at Fox which means no War of Kings crossover between the Guardians and Inhumans, no Avengers or Guardians Galactic Storm film and neither studio can legally make a Darkhawk film.

I still hold that if Fox wants merch produced, they should sell back the Shi'Ar and Brood. The stories that Marvel can still tell for Guardians are Kree/Skrull War, Annihilation Conquest, Celestial Madonna and the inevitable Guardians 2 plot line about Adam Warlock and the Universal Church of Truth.

The Shi'Ar and the Brood may mean a lot to comic book readers, but to the movie going public they are "Generic Alien Race #1" and "Generic Alien Race #2". If Feige decides to greenlight a War of Kings adaptation for the MCU, they'll do what they did with GOTG and substitute another alien race for the Shi'Ar. Or create a new one. Marvel isn't going to give up anything of value for those two alien races

 

[marcvader]

I know he said that Marvel don't own the Badoon (who are over at Fox) or Bug (who's over at a Japanese toy company) but it kind of sucks that Marvel can't use the Brood when they're some of Carol's greatest foes. I'm guessing that the Shi'Ar are also at Fox which means no War of Kings crossover between the Guardians and Inhumans, no Avengers or Guardians Galactic Storm film and neither studio can legally make a Darkhawk film.

I still hold that if Fox wants merch produced, they should sell back the Shi'Ar and Brood. The stories that Marvel can still tell for Guardians are Kree/Skrull War, Annihilation Conquest, Celestial Madonna and the inevitable Guardians 2 plot line about Adam Warlock and the Universal Church of Truth.

They'd have to offer something much more substantial than the Brood and Shi'ar for merchandising rights. Maybe the rights to Alpha Flight.

 

[Zarex]

They'd have to offer something much more substantial than the Brood and Shi'ar for merchandising rights. Maybe the rights to Alpha Flight.

Marvel filed a trademark application last year for the name and Agents of SHIELD name dropped Department H, so "Alpha Flight" probably resides at Marvel Studios. The Hudsons appeared in XMO;W, so some of the characters may be split between Marvel and FOX.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The traffic and ridicule has gone down in this thread. I guess most of us are busy shaming SONY right now.

 

[Dark Raven]

There's nothing to talk about at the moment though. With Sony there are lots of developments and more of an actual hope. Wouldn't it be great if things were like this with Fox.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

All FOX has to do is make a film about Kim Jong Un. I would love to read Rothman's dirty laundry like Pascal's.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

The Hudsons appeared in XMO;W

I didn't realize that was supposed to be James & Heather More good characters wasted by Fox's ineptitude.

 

[marcvader]

Marvel filed a trademark application last year for the name and Agents of SHIELD name dropped Department H, so "Alpha Flight" probably resides at Marvel Studios. The Hudsons appeared in XMO;W, so some of the characters may be split between Marvel and FOX.

Please tell me this is a joke.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Please tell me this is a joke.

I didn't realize that was supposed to be James & Heather More good characters wasted by Fox's ineptitude.

They had the last name "Hudson" for sure, and I do think they were given those names in the credits. However... The bike and the leather Jacket Wolvie recieves from them was their sons. So it's quite possible their son is actually James aka Guardian

 

[marcvader]

They had the last name "Hudson" for sure, and I do think they were given those names in the credits. However... The bike and the leather Jacket Wolvie recieves from them was their sons. So it's quite possible their son is actually James aka Guardian

I hope that's the case cause as Whiskey mentioned it would be a waste of a character from a possible franchise in the future. I was a huge Byrne and Alpha Flight fan back in the day.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I hope that's the case cause as Whiskey mentioned it would be a waste of a character from a possible franchise in the future. I was a huge Byrne and Alpha Flight fan back in the day.

well truth be told.. XO matters not at all now... and it wouldn't be the first time FOX has done multiples of the same character but completely different... Emma Frost rings a major bell

 

[Orba]

Bolivar Trask was played by Peter Dinklage and... Bill Duke


The film just called him Trask but the extended material for the film called him Bolivar Trask and even the Director admitted that it was supposed to be Bolivar.

 

[Dark Raven]

Bolivar Trask was played by Peter Dinklage and... Bill Duke


The film just called him Trask but the extended material for the film called him Bolivar Trask and even the Director admitted that it was supposed to be Bolivar.

They did look identical though. Or at least you could mistake one for the other.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Lets also not forget a Moira with a Thick Scottish accent, compared to a completely american CIA agent

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Yeah it's just screwup after screwup. And people can't understand why anyone would question Fox's commitment to the source.