The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 8

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No Doom was more than watered down in those films. He was an embarrassment. Doom, Reed, and Galactus are my biggest complaints about those movies. Now because those films were atrocious, as an FF fan I get to hear - "Well they already tried a faithful rendition of the Fantastic Four and it didn't work - it's time to try something new! They need to be reinvented!"

And now we get Domashev the angry blogger.

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Utterly sucks.

Well I think it was the way Reed was written that was the problem in Story's movies. In almost everything else he's in, Ioan Gruffed is more like Reed Richards than in those movies.

As for Doom, well sure he was embarrassing, but if you're using that adjective for that version, what do you call this blogger Doom version then?
 
Well I think it was the way Reed was written that was the problem in Story's movies. In almost everything else he's in, Ioan Gruffed is more like Reed Richards than in those movies.

As for Doom, well sure he was embarrassing, but if you're using that adjective for that version, what do you call this blogger Doom version then?

Agree completely. Reed was written very poorly. But I was actually excited when Gruffudd was cast as Reed and then when I saw the movie I'm like what??

As far as Doom, I've no idea at this stage but hobo dark elf angry blogger wearing garbage bags does not bode well at all. I will own up to the fact that it is certainly possible to have a worse Doom than last time and am expecting it sadly.
 
Yes because we want our most anticipated movies to have a lot of competition in the opening weekend.

Our goal isn't to put money in Fox's pocket, our goal is a good film, right?

A good film should rise above the competition, and if it can't we don't want a poor film succeeding just because there was no competition - that will just lead to more bad films.
 
Disagreement is fine. Otherwise what is there to discuss? But considering that this is the "Keep Hope Alive that rights can revert" thread and is one of the most active threads on the site surely you have to realize your Fox cheerleading kind of goes against the grain? And it's not like you are making arguments as to why you disagree. Or at the very least arguments that haven't already been refuted. And again, having one thread be exclusive but not others is a double standard.
 
Our goal isn't to put money in Fox's pocket, our goal is a good film, right?

A good film should rise above the competition, and if it can't we don't want a poor film succeeding just because there was no competition - that will just lead to more bad films.

Well said. The cream should rise to the top. A good film should be given a fair chance but competition is healthy. Films shouldn't succeed simply because there was nothing else worth watching. Although that happens.

I think this film will take the number one spot for the weekend. But I expect that weekend to be a down weekend for the box office in general. "Untitled FF Reboot" will be the big fish in the little pond.
 
When I think of what the Fantastic Four were in the 80's (they were Marvel A listers), and that now the few Fox apologists that want this movie to succeed are praying to not have any competitor or it may crush their movie, I find it surrealistic.

I can't understand how people can defend an "adaptation" that turn what was a very popular franchise 30 years ago into what will be a Z movie where nobody can be recognized.

Where is it ? Where is the epic familial adventure movie that is supposed to show us amazing worlds ? Oh, yes, I guess visiting the (green screened) Baxter Building will be epic... Where is the real Doom, the megalomaniac dictator whose selfish but genious mind can be as dangerous as the power of the four combined ? How can a teen antisocial blogger can be taken seriously ? (Well, maybe the "revelations" he may put on internet like Sue sleeping naked (and invisible) or Reed never having had a girlfriend may scare the (dumb) twilight audience that this Z movie is aimed at.
 
I can't understand how people can defend an "adaptation" that turn what was a very popular franchise 30 years ago into what will be a Z movie where nobody can be recognized.

Because they don't give a damn about the FF. They're 1) fans of Fox's mediocre X-men movies, 2) jealous at the success of the MCU, and 3) fully aware that were the FF in Marvel's hands it would only further serve to illustrate Fox's complete ineptitude in making good superhero movies.
 
The thing is even if it turns out to be a good movie (which I seriously doubt based on everything we are hearing), supporters need to understand it will never be a good "Fantastic Four" movie as the likenesses of the characters are missing in action. It is like you pay to go see "U2" in concert and some strange people walk out on stage and start playing "Beach Boys" songs. Now these musicians play pretty well, but no matter how well they play you still wouldn't come out of their saying that was an amazing "U2" concert, and you wouldn't feel like you got what you wanted. So, it should be understandable to most that are hoping to see a good "Fantastic Four" movie, why people on this thread are hoping it gets transferred back to Marvel for a more faithful adaptation. Also, I think Fox's movie would have a better chance at succeeding if it weren't busy pissing everyone off, by attaching the Fantastic Four name to it. They should just ditch the name and make the movie without the few connections they have, I really think they would have more people see it that way.

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Indeed, they could have called it Chronicle 2 and no one would have batted an eye. Instead they chose to burn bridges with a cheesy rights grab and outright contempt for the FF's core audience.
 
Indeed, they could have called it Chronicle 2 and no one would have batted an eye. Instead they chose to burn bridges with a cheesy rights grab and outright contempt for the FF's core audience.

Yeah, throwing this reboot together at the last minute only to keep the rights from Marvel was !#$! move by Fox to begin with. So I remain un-bothered by people's lame attempt to shame me for hoping that this project falls flat.

Fox's intent wasn't genuine to begin with!
 
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I keep thinking that if the Fox Executives were smart. They would call Marvel and get a contract together that stipulates they will change the name of the movie and that after this movie is made the rights to the Fantastic Four will revert back to Marvel as no "Fantastic Four" movie was made, but that Marvel can not come after them for any coincidental likenesses within this movie that happen to be related to those characters. In addition that Marvel will begin a heavier line of merchandising based on the X-Men characters (including, but not limited to movie versions) of which Fox will get part of the proceeds for all of them. If something like this happened everyone would win (both Fox and Marvel) and especially the fans, and Fox would come out looking like a hero instead of a selfish greedy company. Fox you can't put a price on peoples impression of you, be the hero.

Surfer

PS. Hell I would just go see a bunch of Fox movies just to thank them for doing the right thing, where as now I am so disgusted with them I don't feel like seeing any of their movies (Fantastic Four or otherwise).
 
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Did I miss the memo that supporters of the reboot shouldnt post here in this thread. I merely responded to the posts, its not my problem you cant take comments that differs to your opinions.

It's times like this that I face palm myself.........you can't have it both ways...you can not send in reports complaining that people are posting in the positive thread if you are then going to complain about people complaining about you posting in the negative thread. Either everyone posts in all threads or the one side never posts a single thing in the other thread. At this point, it is EVERYONE POSTS IN EVERY THREAD AS LONG AS THEY ARE CIVIL ABOUT IT....the be civil part is what causes some people to be banned from certain threads.
 
Okay I don't recall this one ^^^ making a peep since the whole Domashev news came out, now he/she wants to climb from under their rock and start Gloating?

It's indirect trolling at it's finest however isn't it pathetic that people supporting this reboot were worried about "Goosebumps" being a problem in the first place???!

I don't know why he even posts in this thread. This is suppose to be hope of the movie going back to Marvel but yet he comes in happy about this movie. It's like he wants people to black out on him.

Because ANYONE that has an opinion can post ANYWHERE on this forum. How about you stick to opinions about the movie, and not other posters.
 
I'll just keep my positive attitude inthe positive thread from now on.

You are going to have to some how come to terms that there are VERY FEW people who are excited about this movie. I'm glad that you are excited about this movie, but you cannot get feelings hurt and take every slam of the movie personally. It is going to be a very long 9 months for you.

Think of it this way, you have a long 9 months before a movie you are looking forward to comes out. The lionshare of Fantastic Four fans are going to have to wait, what looks like another few years, before they even get a chance at a movie they want to see.

You ARE NOT, going to talk anyone here into liking what they have seen about this movie, please understand that and it will be a much easier ride to August.
 
On the subject of making F4 Reboot into essentially Chronicle 2. I wonder how much the finished product may actually seem so? It would hardly be the first time a creator has shoehorned their own ideas/fiction they couldn't make on their own into another property. I recall the Legacy of Kain series had to accommodate such changes when the person in charge of the Blood Omen 2 entry of the LoK series decided to crowbar many elements from a failed property they were involved with.

It would be interesting (in a sense) at some point to compare the F4 reboot when more is known/proven against Chronicle and the proposed plans for Chronicle 2 that never came to be.
 
I keep thinking that if the Fox Executives were smart. They would call Marvel and get a contract together that stipulates they will change the name of the movie and that after this movie is made the rights to the Fantastic Four will revert back to Marvel as no "Fantastic Four" movie was made, but that Marvel can not come after them for any coincidental likenesses within this movie that happen to be related to those characters. In addition that Marvel will begin a heavier line of merchandising based on the X-Men characters (including, but not limited to movie versions) of which Fox will get part of the proceeds for all of them. If something like this happened everyone would win (both Fox and Marvel) and especially the fans, and Fox would come out looking like a hero instead of a selfish greedy company. Fox you can't put a price on peoples impression of you, be the hero.

Surfer

PS. Hell I would just go see a bunch of Fox movies just to thank them for doing the right thing, where as now I am so disgusted with them I don't feel like seeing any of their movies (Fantastic Four or otherwise).

Not going to happen, because Fox wants more than Marvel is willing to pay. If they actually had reasonable expectations, they would have made a deal years ago.
 
Not going to happen, because Fox wants more than Marvel is willing to pay. If they actually had reasonable expectations, they would have made a deal years ago.

Again though, how much could Fox execs really value the Fantastic Four property if they're willing to produce an underfunded film to maintain the rights?

The only thing that makes any sense is if Marvel/Disney has never set a price for the rights returning. So no matter what asking figure Fox may have had - Marvel's offer price has to be $0.

Is it really beneficial to Fox to create a bare bones Fantastic Four to hold on the the rights in the hopes that they turn a meager profit? That's just money that could be spent elsewhere - like in the development of other X-Men related properties - rather than in propping up a failing property for them like Fantastic Four has become. It really seems like there's no logic to their actions whatsoever.
 
You are going to have to some how come to terms that there are VERY FEW people who are excited about this movie. I'm glad that you are excited about this movie, but you cannot get feelings hurt and take every slam of the movie personally. It is going to be a very long 9 months for you.

Think of it this way, you have a long 9 months before a movie you are looking forward to comes out. The lionshare of Fantastic Four fans are going to have to wait, what looks like another few years, before they even get a chance at a movie they want to see.

You ARE NOT, going to talk anyone here into liking what they have seen about this movie, please understand that and it will be a much easier ride to August.

This. Fox proved us wrong with X-Men: First Class. Now they once again have to prove me wrong when I have EVERY reason to be skeptical.

When one of the few things known about the film is that Doctor Doom is an angry IT guy that would be like if Marvel Studios came out and said, "Ronan the accuser isn't so much a patriot as he is an ultra-nationalist and he dies at the end and never gets to redeem himself" or "The Mandarin is a self-made man who hides behind an actor to cover his true identity. Oh, and he's not Chinese at all. He's played by a white Englishman" you can imagine the backlash.

Combine that with there never being a good Fantastic Four movie but three terrible ones and there is every reason to doubt this film. It has everything to do with Fox's silence and when we actually learn something, it's how unfaithful Doctor Doom is from his costume to his background. There is no reason to anticipate this film and every reason to bash it given Fox's silence.

Now if by the end of the film, Doctor Doom takes control of Latveria, is shown to be an engineering and AI genius and has his ego as his main weakness, then yes, it will still be Doom but Fox hasn't shown us any of that. That's just speculation. Until we see some stills or a trailer that actually contains something positive, it's ignorant to root for this film.

The choice of Josh Trank as director just brings to mind memories of TASM and how Marc Webb directed one low-budget yet critically acclaimed film only to wind up making underwhelming Spider-Man films. Simon Kinberg is a good writer as we've learned from DOFP and Sherlock Holmes but he rewrote somebody else's script up until the last second which means there wasn't time for any polish. Even the cast - while good actors - aren't worth rooting for since Halle Berry also sucked in Catwoman after she'd already won an Oscar while Ryan Reynolds did Buried and Fireflies in the Garden but was horrible in Green Lantern. You can like Divergent, House of Cards, Nymphomaniac, The Wire and Planet of the Apes but that doesn't mean that the same actors will offer the same level of performance if Trank clashes with Millar and Vaughn in the editing room and we wind up with abandoned subplots, a lack of character development, a pace that drags and makes the film feel longer than it is and/or an inconsistent tone which we may very well be the case due to the lack of a trailer and a two month delay. Granted, the delay may be due to Fox leasing their cloud CGI technology which stretched out post-production and delayed reshoots but that's a best case scenario. More importantly, that best case scenario is CONJECTURE. All that we know is that FF was delayed for two months which means that something is holding up post production just like filming was held up until the actual last second because Kinberg was still rewriting the entire script.

So why root for something when all that you know about it are delays because Kinberg wasn't happy with the script and Doctor Doom seems like a less faithful CBM villain than Malekith was?
 
I never had a problem with the Mandarin reveal and 'All Hail the King'. I never felt that AHTK was a retcon as it was clear that the Ten Rings predated Extremis and so to me at least IM3 was AIM performing identity theft on a previously existing group.

So how badly are people hoping that this comicbook adaption will flop, are we hoping for a Dredd, a RIPD, or a Jonah Hex?
 
Now that I think the best situation would be a Dredd since while that didn't do well it was at least a good film.
 
Now that I think the best situation would be a Dredd since while that didn't do well it was at least a good film.

Agreed about Dredd. It was a good film, it deserved better imo.

Though I would have to admit that I'm in the camp that doesn't see anything worthwhile in this adaptation of the Fantastic Four and believe it would be much better for everyone if the rights were reverted to Marvel.
 
Though I would have to admit that I'm in the camp that doesn't see anything worthwhile in this adaptation of the Fantastic Four and believe it would be much better for everyone if the rights were reverted to Marvel.

Oh I agree with that but with a Dredd situation we might get a decent film and a flop which could cause the rights to revert. Both the other films I mentioned as possibles would mean that we got the flop but we wouldn't get a decent film to keep us going while waiting for the rights to revert. So a Dredd would be a win win situation :)
 
You are going to have to some how come to terms that there are VERY FEW people who are excited about this movie. I'm glad that you are excited about this movie, but you cannot get feelings hurt and take every slam of the movie personally. It is going to be a very long 9 months for you.

Think of it this way, you have a long 9 months before a movie you are looking forward to comes out. The lionshare of Fantastic Four fans are going to have to wait, what looks like another few years, before they even get a chance at a movie they want to see.

You ARE NOT, going to talk anyone here into liking what they have seen about this movie, please understand that and it will be a much easier ride to August.

Thank you.
 
I've never more looked forward to not seeing a movie.

Actually viewing not watching this as a tangible experience. Might just buy some popcorn and eat it while walking outside, doing nothing.
 
Our goal isn't to put money in Fox's pocket, our goal is a good film, right?

A good film should rise above the competition, and if it can't we don't want a poor film succeeding just because there was no competition - that will just lead to more bad films.

Well said. The cream should rise to the top. A good film should be given a fair chance but competition is healthy. Films shouldn't succeed simply because there was nothing else worth watching. Although that happens.

I think this film will take the number one spot for the weekend. But I expect that weekend to be a down weekend for the box office in general. "Untitled FF Reboot" will be the big fish in the little pond.

This reminds me of when Victoria Beckham was trying to launch a solo singing career. All the other Spice Girls had had number 1 solo hits because they were all more talented than her. Then Victoria had the audacity to ask someone (I can't remember who it was - could've been someone like Sophie Ellis Bextor) not to release her single on the same weekend as her so that she could have a chance to claim the top spot. :doh:

It's not an entitlement. People gain the top spot on merit because audiences like that better than everything else around. Sure, there have been some hit singles that only ended up at No.2 in the charts which should've been number 1 hits, but Victoria Beckham was crap and not a number 1 solo artist.

That's like this FFINO film. It's not deserving of being a number 1 movie. If it were, then even in the face of healthy competition, it should still thrive because people see it for what it is and recognise a good FF film. It's like the fans of this movie want it to do well at all costs, even if it just does well because of a technicality and succeeds by default and not by merit.

On the subject of making F4 Reboot into essentially Chronicle 2. I wonder how much the finished product may actually seem so? It would hardly be the first time a creator has shoehorned their own ideas/fiction they couldn't make on their own into another property. I recall the Legacy of Kain series had to accommodate such changes when the person in charge of the Blood Omen 2 entry of the LoK series decided to crowbar many elements from a failed property they were involved with.

It would be interesting (in a sense) at some point to compare the F4 reboot when more is known/proven against Chronicle and the proposed plans for Chronicle 2 that never came to be.

If Trank filmed more than one take of the movie, then one version could have the cast with different names. This version could easily be used and then it should be a simple convert to a Chronicle 2 movie with any FF references removed. It can't be that hard to do.
 
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