The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 8

[Dark Raven]

Ant-Man is also getting an official tie-in comic set in the 60's. Hell, the statement that Fox is the only studio making period pieces is completely ignorant. Captain America: The First Avenger was a period piece, the Agent Carter One Shot was a period piece, the Agent Carter series will be a period piece, and parts of Ant-Man will be a period piece. Marvel Studios is doing that particular trick just as much as Fox.

Captain America: TFA was not a period piece. It was set in the 1940s.

Wait... what year are we again?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

well....... id argue Marvel is doing it way better... considering there's not continuity errors in there established universe. FOX has never planned there franchises out.. they do one film, then plan the next movie ... while Marvel has the next decade mapped out.

I think you HAVE to do that to properly establish a franchise personally. it all needs planned

 

[Eddie]

well....... id argue Marvel is doing it way better... considering there's not continuity errors in there established universe. FOX has never planned there franchises out.. they do one film, then plan the next movie ... while Marvel has the next decade mapped out.

I think you HAVE to do that to properly establish a franchise personally. it all needs planned

Yep. There are continuity issues between The Wolverine and Days of Future Past and those released within a year of each other. Just sayin'.

 

[pavlov]

I'm just curious - you seem upset by those of us who rag on this reboot - why do you defend this film so much? What is it about it that you are looking forward to? Would you rather see Fox reinvent the FF than see a faithful version as part of the Marvel Universe proper?

I'm not defending the film. My point is that we know next to nothing about this adaptation and it gets tiring reading about negative stuff as if they were established facts.

And I'm not really a fan of MCU as I find their movies too formulaic and safe. I prefer Fox's more out of the box albeit less faithful approach with their recent CBMs.

 

[Eddie]

I'm not defending the film. My point is that we know next to nothing about this adaptation and it gets tiring reading about negative stuff as if they were established facts.

And I'm not really a fan of MCU as I find their movies too formulaic and safe. I prefer Fox's more out of the box albeit less faithful approach with their recent CBMs.

The X-Men films don't follow a formula? I really enjoyed The Wolverine. I thought the Wolverine/Mariko stuff was great. The climax of the movie, however, is very formulaic. Even the positive reviews noted the generic action pieces in the third act. The X-franchise has arguably followed a formula more than the MCU has. How many times does Magneto have to try to eradicate humanity in the climax before that qualifies as a cliche?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

the X-men movies are basically "meet the x-men, ---> damn humans are up to something --->eternal conflict with Xavier and Magneto ---> defeat human thread --> magneto betrays --> defeat magneto and he runs to hide until the next movie

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm not defending the film. My point is that we know next to nothing about this adaptation and it gets tiring reading about negative stuff as if they were established facts.

Barring the sort of internal e-mails we're seeing from Sony, we won't be able to say for a 'fact' how much Fox values this project. We can only make assumptions based on the available evidence.

There is a large amount of available evidence that indicates Fox does not value this film:

1. They hired a first time film-writer.
2. They hired a second-time director whose first film had a budget of $12 million dollars, and they didn't option that director for a second film.
3. They haven't hired any big-name actors - even for small roles.
4. There were credible reports that at least two other directors where approached just prior to production to take over the project.
5. The production was short and nearly invisible - no big scenes, no big sets, no big cast. All that indicates a modest production with a low budget.
6. There has been no publicity of any sort and they missed several key opportunities (SDCC, NYCC) that their competitors attended. And 8 months from release, we don't even have a logo, set photos . . . or anything that would indicate the studio considers this film competitive with the twenty or thirty 2015 films for which we have seen those sort of things.
7. Fox is clearly more interested in talking about X-Men Apocalypse - a film that won't open until 2016 - than they are interested in talking about FF.

That's a quick, incomplete list of the evidence we have that the studio doesn't value this production.

What evidence can you submit that they do value it?

 

[Kelly]

I'm not defending the film. My point is that we know next to nothing about this adaptation and it gets tiring reading about negative stuff as if they were established facts.

And I'm not really a fan of MCU as I find their movies too formulaic and safe. I prefer Fox's more out of the box albeit less faithful approach with their recent CBMs.

What exactly what would you have them say?

"Well, I'm waiting......."

"Still waiting......"

"Here we are waiting....."

"Wow, still waiting....."

"Look, a crappy looking Thing Bust..."

"Ooops, can't post that...."

"Look a crappy looking Doom...."

"Ooooops, can't post that...."

"Stiiiiiiiiiiiilllll waiting...."

"look at us waiting...."

"Doom is a blogger..."

"Well that kinda sounds stupid..."

"Stiiiiiiiill waiting..."

"aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand we are waiting..."


Wow, that sounds sooooo interesting.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

What exactly what would you have them say?

"Well, I'm waiting......."

"Still waiting......"

"Here we are waiting....."

"Wow, still waiting....."

"Look, a crappy looking Thing Bust..."

"Ooops, can't post that...."

"Look a crappy looking Doom...."

"Ooooops, can't post that...."

"Stiiiiiiiiiiiilllll waiting...."

"look at us waiting...."

"Doom is a blogger..."

"Well that kinda sounds stupid..."

"Stiiiiiiiill waiting..."

"aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand we are waiting..."


Wow, that sounds sooooo interesting.

Nailed it.

And if Fox wants better treatment than they're getting, they can show us they have faith in this film. In absence of that, they're getting exactly what they deserve.

 

[starscream22]

I'm not defending the film. My point is that we know next to nothing about this adaptation and it gets tiring reading about negative stuff as if they were established facts.

And I'm not really a fan of MCU as I find their movies too formulaic and safe. I prefer Fox's more out of the box albeit less faithful approach with their recent CBMs.

So what.

Who here is forcing you to click on this thread...?

My point is that we know next to nothing about this adaptation

Speak for yourself. I know just enough about this reboot not to support it and to bash it at every turn.

If you don't like it then quit being a glutton for punishment!

 

[starscream22]

Nailed it.

And if Fox wants better treatment than they're getting, they can show us they have faith in this film. In absence of that, they're getting exactly what they deserve.

I wouldn't say they're getting what they deserve since they haven't lost any significant money yet. That's the only thing they understand. Sony's quite humble now but as bad as those leaks are I can guarantee airing out FOX's dirty laundry would sanction quite a few arrest warrants that would stick!

 

[Eddie]

I wouldn't say they're getting what they deserve since they haven't lost any significant money yet. That's the only thing they understand. Sony's quite humble now but as bad as those leaks are I can guarantee airing out FOX's dirty laundry would sanction quite a few arrest warrants that would stick!

I'm sure some of our Fox loyalists will get upset at this "outlandish claim" with no proof, but before that happens I think it should be noted that a few short years ago there was a big time scandal involving News Corp (the parent company of Fox) breaking the **** out of some laws. Loads of employees got arrested and everything. Now this obviously doesn't mean much coming from some random person on the internet, but less than savory rumors about the way Fox does business have been around for some time.

Just putting that out there before one of our friends on the positive side has a cow.

 

[Kanon]

After reading the moves Marvel is doing for Spidey, I can only imagine they offered something similar to Fox, and how sad if they didn't take it.

Yeah, maybe FF isn't as valuable as Spidey to warrant a similar deal, but I think the same deal for FF or any other property is not so outrageous...

 

[Eddie]

After reading the moves Marvel is doing for Spidey, I can only imagine they offered something similar to Fox, and how sad if they didn't take it.

Yeah, maybe FF isn't as valuable as Spidey to warrant a similar deal, but I think the same deal for FF or any other property is not so outrageous...

It was pretty widely reported that Marvel did try and make a deal involving Silver Surfer rights in exchange for a Daredevil extension. I think it's likely Marvel tried to play nice with Fox and Fox wouldn't have it. There's actually evidence of talks between the studios during production of The Wolverine. Here's a Hugh Jackman quote:

“You know, obviously we have people from—one of the great things about this movie is that a lot of people from Marvel are here and it seems a lot more inclusive than it has been in the past. I don’t know what’s happening behind the scenes, but I think it’s fantastic. I actually just asked the other day, I said, ‘I don’t know what the legal situation is, but why don’t these companies come together? Why isn’t it possible?’ Because personally, I would love to mix it up with Robert Downey Jr. and Iron Man and kick his ass. It’d be great. (laughs) There you go. There’s your quote. (Laughs)"

Then Bryan Singer swapped Juggernaut for Quicksilver after Whedon made it clear that Quicksilver would be in the sequel to The Avengers. So yeah.

 

[Serpico Jones]

Barring the sort of internal e-mails we're seeing from Sony, we won't be able to say for a 'fact' how much Fox values this project. We can only make assumptions based on the available evidence.

There is a large amount of available evidence that indicates Fox does not value this film:

1. They hired a first time film-writer.
2. They hired a second-time director whose first film had a budget of $12 million dollars, and they didn't option that director for a second film.
3. They haven't hired any big-name actors - even for small roles.
4. There were credible reports that at least two other directors where approached just prior to production to take over the project.
5. The production was short and nearly invisible - no big scenes, no big sets, no big cast. All that indicates a modest production with a low budget.
6. There has been no publicity of any sort and they missed several key opportunities (SDCC, NYCC) that their competitors attended. And 8 months from release, we don't even have a logo, set photos . . . or anything that would indicate the studio considers this film competitive with the twenty or thirty 2015 films for which we have seen those sort of things.
7. Fox is clearly more interested in talking about X-Men Apocalypse - a film that won't open until 2016 - than they are interested in talking about FF.

That's a quick, incomplete list of the evidence we have that the studio doesn't value this production.

What evidence can you submit that they do value it?

Who were the other 2 directors who were approached?

 

[Eddie]

Who were the other 2 directors who were approached?

Unknown, as is typical in a sensitive story like that. These scoops often leak when a level of anonymity is promised. I trust the report, though. For what it's worth, a ton of similar scoops have been confirmed this year, some of them just recently thanks to the Sony leak. We live in a time when this sort of info gets out there.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I'm not defending the film. My point is that we know next to nothing about this adaptation and it gets tiring reading about negative stuff as if they were established facts.

This is a forum, a place where people can express their opinions. I get tired of the "you can't voice your opinion one what we DO know because we don't know the REST yet" crowd. Every opinion is a tentative opinion - if a trailer came out tomorrow that blew me away and showed that this film is really faithful to the source material, I'd change my tune. But we all know at this point how likely that is to happen, because the studio has shown no faith in this film, the stars are unenthusiastic about it in interviews, and every rumor or leak of information gets worse and worse. It must really suck for the defenders of this film to have to fall back on "well we don't know enough yet" or "maybe it will be good / interesting, just wait and see." Evidence keeps piling up that the more critical posters are right about this film and that the defenders are clutching at straws.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Who were the other 2 directors who were approached?

Here was the original story:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/03/fox-looking-to-dump-fantastic-four-director-screenplay-and-recast-six-months-before-they-are-due-to-shoot/

A later follow-up from Bleeding Cool (which I can't find at the moment) said that two different directors told them they had been approached by Fox (and if those two were known, there were probably more). They conceded that their original article was wrong in that Trank didn't actually get fired but asserted that was because the directors who were approached had the sense not to wade into the stink-pile of this film.

And recent reports from Baton Rouge seem to confirm that something ugly is going on. Also, the idea that studio and director are having serious problems is supported by Trank's sudden disappearance from Twitter and complete media blackout since then.

This production is not going well. That simple idea is indisputable by any reasonable person looking objectively at everything we've seen since the beginning.

 

[Dark Raven]

Here was the original story:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/03/fox-looking-to-dump-fantastic-four-director-screenplay-and-recast-six-months-before-they-are-due-to-shoot/

A later follow-up from Bleeding Cool (which I can't find at the moment) said that two different directors told them they had been approached by Fox (and if those two were known, there were probably more). They conceded that their original article was wrong in that Trank didn't actually get fired but asserted that was because the directors who were approached had the sense not to wade into the stink-pile of this film.

And recent reports from Baton Rouge seem to confirm that something ugly is going on. Also, the idea that studio and director are having serious problems is supported by Trank's sudden disappearance from Twitter and complete media blackout since then.

This production is not going well. That simple idea is indisputable by any reasonable person looking objectively at everything we've seen since the beginning.

It's all going well if you bury your head in the sand, which all of you should!!!!

 

[Orba]

Yeah I can't seem to see the reply Bleeding Cool wrote. I do remember that after the other sites started posting that their contacts at Fox were denying it that Bleeding Cool's reply was that if Fox really want to deny the story they should start by stopping contacting other directors looking for a replacement.

 

[wobbly]

And I'm not really a fan of MCU as I find their movies too formulaic and safe. I prefer Fox's more out of the box albeit less faithful approach with their recent CBMs.

Thanks for qualifying your opinion.

 

[Xeno-noesis]

Captain America: TFA was not a period piece. It was set in the 1940s.

Wait... what year are we again?

I'm guessing you had a typo? A period piece is something set in a certain time. TFA was a period piece as you said (1940's).

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm guessing you had a typo? A period piece is something set in a certain time. TFA was a period piece as you said (1940's).

No. No typo.

Can't wait until this damn war is over and we finally defeat the Nazis. Looking forward to D day.

 

[Eddie]

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Because some people just don't understand sarcasm without one.



Damn Nazi scum. We'll get 'em one day!

 

[wobbly]

Who are these Nazi's you speak of?

Personally, I'm bricking it at going over the top at the Somme tomorrow. Stiff upper lip struggling to cope, I must say old chaps. And after we did so well at Agincourt bashing the Frenchies farting in our general direction last week...