The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 9

[I SEE SPIDEY]

People have been saying: "This is just the way Fox does things. It's too early for any real promotion."

Up until yesterday, I thought that might have been true. Then I did a little bit of research into The Wolverine - a recent Fox Superhero film that has been compared to this one - and found the publicity machine was in high-gear by this point. We had official photos and some detailed interviews from cast and director.

Details here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30458081&postcount=21

Whether you're a Fantastic Four fan, Fox fan, comic book fan or just someone who enjoys a good film, there's no way you can look objectively at the lack of studio support for this film and say: "This is looking good!"

Either the film is not very good and the studio wants to spend the bare minimum amount of money marketing it or it's a good film that Fox doesn't think will sell so they don't want to spend too much marketing it. Those are the choices.

 

[Flint Marko]

Either the film is not very good and the studio wants to spend the bare minimum amount of money marketing it or it's a good film that Fox doesn't think will sell so they don't want to spend too much marketing it. Those are the choices.

If it were a good film that wouldn't sell, an official production still would be out. Every movie I can think of releases one still from the movie around a year before the movie is out, but nope, nothing here.
I agree with Willie, nothing good can be said about the situation.

 

[Eddie]

I went back and checked to see when Fox started releasing official images for Dragonball Evolution, and it seems that started nearly a year before release.

Yep, Chronicle 2: Fantastic Four 0 is months behind the promotional schedule of Dragonball Evolution.

 

[Spiderine]

"If you like Chronicle, then you’ll like this", I'd rather he said something like "If you like the Fantastic Four, then you will love this"

"Like", such a bland word in this context. "then you will like this", sounds like "you won't hate it", "you will be ok with it"

He was telling the truth. Because its nothing more than a sequel to Chronicle with FF characters. I mean who the hell does FOX think they are fooling here. I am on the verge of giving up on Sony and FOX to make the right choices with these properties.

Neither have the capacity to do the right thing considering they are just gonna bleed expenses that won't reap any benefits. At least one of them seems to be open to a deal that would work in their favor. I don't blame Disney for doing nothing and letting the noose tighten around their necks.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm trying to think of this from an "Evil FOX CORP's" perspective on how they plan on spinning this.

They have no problem using the race card (Fox of all people) So perhaps they'd rather the negative talk continue and be "Infamous" as opposed to the reboot being completely "irrelevant". These are the same people who made a rape scandal go away....

Sadly the hard part for them is done which is making a film and releasing it before the deadline. It'll likely do meh numbers but Fox clearly doesn't care since it's a Meh budget anyway... They just throw another Fox-men spin-off on the fire to pacify the majority and do it all over again.

Fox can play the race card, but at this point, who cares if Johnny Storm is black? Victor Domashev isn't black, and he's a huge part of the problem too. Do we say "oh well at least he's white, so it's fine that he's an anti-social blogger"? Miles Teller isn't black. Do we automatically think he's Reed Richards incarnate just because he's white?

 

[starscream22]

I went back and checked to see when Fox started releasing official images for Dragonball Evolution, and it seems that started nearly a year before release.

Yep, Chronicle 2: Fantastic Four 0 is months behind the promotional schedule of Dragonball Evolution.

HA! Not to mention that Marvel CBM's have a higher standard now. So using the notion that Fox is simply being coy with this reboot is absurd.

 

[JAK®]

Fox can play the race card, but at this point, who cares if Johnny Storm is black? Victor Domashev isn't black, and he's a huge part of the problem too. Do we say "oh well at least he's white, so it's fine that he's an anti-social blogger"? Miles Teller isn't black. Do we automatically think he's Reed Richards incarnate just because he's white?

Michael B. Jordan is probably the strongest member of the cast. Jamie Bell is a good actor, but a baffling choice for the Thing. The rest I've never heard of.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Michael B. Jordan is probably the strongest member of the cast. Jamie Bell is a good actor, but a baffling choice for the Thing. The rest I've never heard of.

The cast is one of the stronger elements in terms of ability at least, Teller just come off of Whiplash where he was very good, Kebbell is awesome as well, and from what I've seen Mara is very good.

Of course Bell and Teller from the outside don't seem to be cast well.

And well there's what I just posted in the discussion thread

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Bleeding Cool reported last year that 20th Fox were in the process of looking for other writers and directors to tackle The Fantastic Four, but had no luck in finding anyone willing to take over in the midst of production. That rumour was dismissed at the time, and we heard nothing more until some recent rumblings of there maybe being some tension between the studio and Josh Trank.

While Matthew Vaughn was quick to sing the praises of the movie recently, they now claim to have heard that studio bosses are not pleased with how The Fantastic Four has turned out, with it being described by some as "Chronicle 2 rather than Fantastic 4." The site adds that a well-connected senior executive has told them that The Fantastic Four is a "mess" and that there is some major "disquiet" behind the scenes in regards to the current state of the movie. As a result, expensive rehoots are apparently being demanded, with set in Louisiana being rebuilt to accomodate these.

hmmmm

 

[chamber-music]

All the cast are good actors but that doesn't mean anything if the movie is written and directed badly.

 

[Flint Marko]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/01...ebuilt/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Let's all do our happy dance

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it possible for good actors to be in bad films?

 

[Orba]

All the cast are good actors but that doesn't mean anything if the movie is written and directed badly.

Yeah the Pro side likes to mention that they are all good actors but just because someone is a good actor doesn't automatically mean that they are the right person for the part.

 

[Eddie]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it possible for good actors to be in bad films?

Chow Yun-Fat is one of the biggest film stars in the world, Emmy Rossum is a very talented actress, and James Marsters is a fan favorite actor who's done great Sci-Fi and fantasy work. They were in Dragonball Evolution.

So yes.

 

[justanotherguy]

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/53956399/marvel--kills-the-fantastic-four-tiger-droppings-hot-goss-were-a-source-lol/page-4/

Poster by the name of Black N Gold says -

I am working with some of the crew on another movie down here. They were told FF is reshooting the entire third act in LA because of how bad it came out.

There's another hot scoop for the lurkers.

 

[Eddie]

Frankly, that seems to give a bit of credibility to that forum. Hmm...

 

[Human Torch]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/01...ebuilt/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Let's all do our happy dance

If true,talk about throwing good money after bad.

 

[Flint Marko]

So does this movie have to be in theaters by a certain time for Fox to keep the rights? Or since they have one in production, it's theirs no matter what?

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

People have been saying: "This is just the way Fox does things. It's too early for any real promotion."

Up until yesterday, I thought that might have been true. Then I did a little bit of research into The Wolverine - a recent Fox Superhero film that has been compared to this one - and found the publicity machine was in high-gear by this point. We had official photos and some detailed interviews from cast and director.

Details here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30458081&postcount=21

Whether you're a Fantastic Four fan, Fox fan, comic book fan or just someone who enjoys a good film, there's no way you can look objectively at the lack of studio support for this film and say: "This is looking good!"

There is nothing wrong with the promotion when you look at it timewise.

Avengers: AOU first poster and trailer came out in when? October or November?
6-7 months before the film releases.

Fantastic Four doesn't come out till August. That's 3 months later.

Using the same timeline, Fantastic Four poster and trailer should come out this month or next.

This is no different from The Wolverine. There was way more Man of Steel and Iron Man 3 promo and The Wolverine was the last to do promo and box office wise it made more than Man of Steel when you compare their budget and box office money.

Again, from a marketing standpoint they could be on schedule.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Chow Yun-Fat is one of the biggest film stars in the world, Emmy Rossum is a very talented actress, and James Marsters is a fan favorite actor who's done great Sci-Fi and fantasy work. They were in Dragonball Evolution.

So yes.

It was a rhetorical question but you've proved my point beautifully.

 

[Dark Raven]

If they're spending considerably more on this film and it only turns a modest profit or breaks even, it will be even more of a flop in Fox's eyes because the whole idea was not to spend very much on it in the first place in order to get as much of a return on it as possible. However, their profit margin decreases if the whole production is now costing more than originally budgeted for before these reshoots and if they only make the amount they would have made when it was simply Chronicle 2.

 

[Flint Marko]

There is nothing wrong with the promotion when you look at it timewise.

Avengers: AOU first poster and trailer came out in when? October or November?
6-7 months before the film releases.

Fantastic Four doesn't come out till August. That's 3 months later.

Using the same timeline, Fantastic Four poster and trailer should come out this month or next.

This is no different from The Wolverine. There was way more Man of Steel and Iron Man 3 promo and The Wolverine was the last to do promo and box office wise it made more than Man of Steel when you compare their budget and box office money.

Again, from a marketing standpoint they could be on schedule.

It's customary for a film to release concept art or a production still a year before the release. Pretty much every film I can think of has done that; hell at the very least we should have a logo or a title card.

 

[Eddie]

There is nothing wrong with the promotion when you look at it timewise.

Avengers: AOU first poster and trailer came out in when? October or November?
6-7 months before the film releases.

Fantastic Four doesn't come out till August. That's 3 months later.

Using the same timeline, Fantastic Four poster and trailer should come out this month or next.

This is no different from The Wolverine. There was way more Man of Steel and Iron Man 3 promo and The Wolverine was the last to do promo and box office wise it made more than Man of Steel when you compare their budget and box office money.

Again, from a marketing standpoint they could be on schedule.

Willie already did a fantastic job proving how wrong these Wolverine comparisons are. Fox was absolutely promoting that film before the posters and trailers with things like set pics. This is WAY behind the promotional schedule of a typical action film. Dragonball Evolution was ahead of this one in promotion in relation to release date. There's more to promotion than theatrical trailers and posters.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

It's customary for a film to release concept art or a production still a year before the release. Pretty much every film I can think of has done that; hell at the very least we should have a logo or a title card.

True. Won't deny that.

 

[Neno_Kos]

http://www.**************.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=113700