The Dark Knight The lack of realism

[DeaDheaD]

I thought Nolan already said that its not realistic, he is just bringing realistic elements into Batman's world.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Nah don't worry, in real life there aren't any wicked evil people.

t:

 

[Dotten]

Nah don't worry, in real life there aren't any wicked evil people.

You should see my neighbour. (if he reads this, then I'm a gonner. If you hear nothing from me for the next ten minutes then wait ten mor minutes. Then call the police).

 

[Superhobo]

Operating in hiding, no big scheme, no followers. That comparison is an insult to The Joker. Here in Norway we had to teenagers raping and killing two 8 year old girls. But that is not the same as The Joker. Far from it.

A Bin Laden without the fanaticism could be a comparison, but then again he had his goal. And he was a control-freak with a fantasy-book.

Analyze The Joker. He is something else.

Manson, etc., - the character, as he's been for the last couple of decades, seems like an amalgem of the elements of so many of the famous pop killer icons of their respective decades.

 

[Lauryn2000]

me.

Q, err, I mean Fox - The character is so fictionall and what he comes up with is in the James Bond universe.

If you was in the military like let's say military intelligence with,let's also say a Top Secret Clearance.

You'd be surprised what the military has~in the 21st century that would blow your mind.....:gray:

And I'm not even talking about that stuff at Area 51 neither...:gray:

 

[DeaDheaD]

To me, The Joker was the most realistic of them all..........just look up Ted Bundy

 

[Dotten]

Batman and Joker are out there, but Superman is way out there!

Edgar Mitchell begs to differ. Superman is just not as tall as in the comics.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Also Dotten, if Nolan ever did Superman (which I doubt he would), it would be nothing like Donner's vision. That I can assure you. Clark's identity would have to consist of more than mere glasses. You would likely see some kind of special intelligence group with the intent of turning Supes into a lab experiment. Supes wouldn't be wearing red panties. There would be a much greater effort involved in making Krypton look less human and more bizarre/unexplainable/alien. Again, Supes is way out there, so Nolan wouldn't touch the character, but if he did...

Like Dea says, Nolan tries to bring "realistic elements into Batman's world." I don't think Donner ever did that with Superman.

 

[Caladbolg]

Ehh... im trying to review the past pages but more pages keep popping up -_-.

Trying to get to the end of this thread so I can respond...

 

[Dotten]

If you was in the military like let's say military intelligence with,let's also say a Top Secret Clearance.

You'd be surprised what the military has~in the 21st century that would blow your mind.....:gray:

And I'm not even talking about that stuff at Area 51 neither...:gray:

I have clearence up to Nato Top Secret. Only lack the Cosmic Top Secret ... I worked at Norwegian Navy for five years, as a communications expert with the responsebility of controlling all the classified information onboard one of the frigates.

To bad it did not contain anything about Area 51. But yes, you would be surprised to what is held under wraps by NATO. ^^

 

[Dotten]

Also Dotten, if Nolan ever did Superman (which I doubt he would), it would be nothing like Donner's vision. That I can assure you. Clark's identity would have to consist of more than mere glasses. You would likely see some kind of special intelligence group with the intent of turning Supes into a lab experiment. Supes wouldn't be wearing red panties. There would be a much greater effort involved in making Krypton look less human and more bizarre/unexplainable/alien. Again, Supes is way out there, so Nolan wouldn't touch the character, but if he did...

Like Dea says, Nolan tries to bring "realistic elements into Batman's world." I don't think Donner ever did that with Superman.

He tries more to sell the illusion of realism (as stated in my first post). Many buy in to the illusion, but when the illusion is pointed out it's denial mode for some. It's like the illusion is some magic ring one just needs to hold on to, or else the sky will fall down on us revealing the real world.

"Me wants it, me needs it".

 

[Majic Walrus]

I have clearence up to Nato Top Secret. Only lack the Cosmic Top Secret ... I worked at Norwegian Navy for five years, as a communications expert with the responsebility of controlling all the classified information onboard one of the frigates.

To bad it did not contain anything about Area 51. But yes, you would be surprised to what is held under wraps by NATO. ^^

I can't decide to laugh because you're joking or laugh because your serious.

 

[Quinzel]

Yes, because there's no such thing as evil remorseless psychopaths in the real world

HA!!! lol.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

He tries more to sell the illusion of realism (as stated in my first post). Many buy in to the illusion, but when the illusion is pointed out it's denial mode for some. It's like the illusion is some magic ring one just needs to hold on to, or else the sky will fall down on us revealing the real world.

"Me wants it, me needs it".

Perhaps, Nolan is a magician then.

Interesting thread, although I didn't get your point initially. On a side note, I think Riddler could be portrayed as an interesting villain loosely based on the Zodiac Killer and his cryptic writings.

No Mr. Freeze or Killer Croc though Dotten!

 

[Dotten]

I can't decide to laugh because you're joking or laugh because your serious.

I'm actually serious. Although I quit the navy last year. My real name is under my nick, I'm not one who goes around hiding behind a nick when on forums.

I'm currently working at a norwegian forum called Diskusjon.no, wich in size is far larger then The Hype. As community manager. I get a paycheck moderating and guiding a team of around 40 moderators. But since I dare call this movie unrealistic I'm actually a troll. Kinda funny and ironic. You can google me, but it's all in norwegian.

But enought about me. If anyone is in Bergen, Norway then look me up. I'll buy you a beer and then we can discuss the unrealism that is The Dark Knight.

 

[Dotten]

Perhaps, Nolan is a magician then.

No, he is an illusionist. Hence The Prestige

And a great one he is.

Interesting thread, although I didn't get your point initially.

Probably because of my crappy english. I blame the norwegian school system ...

On a side note, I think Riddler could be portrayed as an interesting villain loosely based on the Zodiac Killer and his cryptic writings.

I totally agree

No Mr. Freeze or Killer Croc though Dotten!

Ice to see you too!

 

[Mrs.J]

awwwwww but Mr.Freeze is awesome. Damn arnold had to ruin that for us all

Ice to see you! :|

 

[CuppaJoe07]

I thought Nolan already said that its not realistic, he is just bringing realistic elements into Batman's world.

EVERYONE should keep that in mind. It's not meant to be totally realistic, just more realistic when compared to the last films.

 

[Majic Walrus]

I'm actually serious. Although I quit the navy last year. My real name is under my nick, I'm not one who goes around hiding behind a nick when on forums.

I'm currently working at a norwegian forum called Diskusjon.no, wich in size is far larger then The Hype. As community manager. I get a paycheck moderating and guiding a team of around 40 moderators. But since I dare call this movie unrealistic I'm actually a troll. Kinda funny and ironic. You can google me, but it's all in norwegian.

But enought about me. If anyone is in Bergen, Norway then look me up. I'll buy you a beer and then we can discuss the unrealism that is The Dark Knight.

Funny you mention Norwegian Vidar Daatland, because I speak none.

Nah I can understand the points you made about the movie, I disagree but that's no big deal.

As a side note if Nolan really wants to add realism to his Bat-verse then I think we're due to see some characters that are portrayed absolutely unrealisticly in the DCU. I wouldn't mind seeing Nolan's take on characters like Killer Croc and Poison Ivy which have historically been portrayed venturing on the side of the fantastic.

 

[Dotten]

EVERYONE should keep that in mind. It's not meant to be totally realistic, just more realistic when compared to the last films.

More realistic then Batman & Robin you mean?

Where is the challenge in that? Nolan could have flying pigs in a frozen hell and still claim more realism then before. t:

Nolans a director that hypnotizes his audience with his movies. But some refuse to snap out of it when leaving the theater. He really is a genious and I feel like a bad person for pointing it out.

But more on-topic, I'm talking about the description of realism that viewers claim it has, not Nolans vision for the whole thing.

 

[Jacobhiggins]

I notice a lot of people praise the realism in this movie. Which baffles me. In Batman Begins Nolan had the illusion of realism (which was cleverly disguised unrealism).

In this movie he totally took me by surprise cause there was no realism what-so-ever and he did not even try to give us that illusion.

Bruce Wayne morals and ethics - unrealistic. No man alive can relate to that, thats what makes him a superhero. Cause he takes "overhuman" choices.

Batman in action - totally unrealistic. Like watching Spider-Man. What he does is so far out there, it really surprised me.

Q, err, I mean Fox - The character is so fictionall and what he comes up with is in the James Bond universe.

Two-Face - No one can live like that. So over the top if one wants realism (or the illusion of it)

Joker - Wicked evil, most unrealistic of all.

The story - It's like complicatet domino. A bit to well directed. It's totally madness (mostly due to the character of joker).

Now, people might think I'm bashing the movie. I am not. I loved it, best thriller I've seen and alongside Superman the beste superheromovie ever made. I loved how Nolan went away from the illusion of realism and gave us a kick-ass movie.

But I'm a bit startled that so many of the "realism"-lovers like this movie. And many of them seem to live in denial and claim that this is so realistic. Come on!

So, did the Nolan take for this one (he also dropped the jumping back and forth in timeline) with less realism suit you? I hope this opens the eyes for many, movies need magic and not realism. This is a different universe then our and Nolan used that to give us a unrealistic film that totally kicked ass. But am I alone with this take on the movie? I feel so.

You are thinking way too much. Compare Nolans universe to every other comic book movie ever made...I rest my case. It might not be realism to you but compared to the rest of the comic book movies, no other movie can compare to the Dark Knight for a realistic approach!

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Probably because of my crappy english. I blame the norwegian school system

No. Your English is fine.

I fail to understand why you feel Dark Knight is less realistic than Batman Begins. For me, it's the opposite. In Begins, Bruce's journey around the world mastering various skills and languages in such a short span of time (not just from Ducard incidentally) was a bit far-fetched, yet necessary; incredibly cool. He also leaves his remaining cash and coat with some vagrant who manages to somehow avoid arrest when Bruce goes missing for seven years. What about the Manor burning down? Stone doesn't burn! I could continue on Begins, but you can see where I'm going here.

The Dark Knight, on the other hand, was very clever and tied up a few loose ends. I still disagree with you about Joker. Again, I view him much in the same light I would a terrorist or theatrical murderer like Son of Sam or The Zodiac Killer. Even though he's presented as an absolute, something made him who/what he is. He got those scars from somewhere didn't he? And why does it bother him so much when people call him a freak or tell him that he's crazy? Maybe, he wants revenge on some level. Who knows? There's something there to be examined, but Nolan doesn't let us know. We can only speculate. I understand that it's weird to think a guy like this would have followers, but most of Joker's henchmen are off their rockers, as well. The other criminals want nothing to do with him! "They won't work for a freak!!!" Take a look at Michael Jackson. If a guy like that only existed in a comic book, I'm positive that some would debate on whether or not people would take him seriously in real life. And yet we know that many do take him seriously becaus HE IS REAL and has proven himself as something more than just a freak.

I don't want to veer away from the point too much, but a guy like Joker really is possible in my opinion, minus a few details, which are only in the film because it's based on a fictional story.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

I don´t understand this thread.....
Do you like comics?
If you don´t, i can understand, but, if you do....

This is a movie about a grown man that dresses up in a bat custome, there is nothing realistic after that.
The thing is to take that universe and make it serious and adult, having the characters deal with things and emotions in a realistic fashion in that same universe.
In that department, the movie is perfect.....

Newsflash, comic book and comic book movies are an exaggeration of reality, which means that it applies realism into the universe at hand.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I don´t understand this thread.....
Do you like comics?
If you don´t, i can understand, but, if you do....

This is a movie about a grown man that dresses up in a bat custome, there is nothing realistic after that.
The thing is to take that universe and make it serious and adult, having the characters deal with things and emotions in a realistic fashion in that same universe.
In that department, the movie is perfect.....

Just a discussion; that's all.

 

[CJWilkie]

Perhaps, Nolan is a magician then.

Interesting thread, although I didn't get your point initially. On a side note, I think Riddler could be portrayed as an interesting villain loosely based on the Zodiac Killer and his cryptic writings.

No Mr. Freeze or Killer Croc though Dotten!

I personally think Nolan could pull off ANY villain. Including Killer Croc or Mr Freeze...