The Dark Knight The Man Who Laughs: The Joker Thread 2.0

[terry78]

I did like that he did utilize acid in killing the first commish. His murders were more in tune with the "I'm not there to witness it, but can't wait to hear about the aftermath" stuff he does sometimes.

 

[lixdexia]

Disagree.

If he can dress up in a nurse's outfit with a woman's wig, then he can have an acid squirting flower on his coat.

agree to disagree then

 

[p4poetic]

Ya after TDK, BB kind of feels crappy.

Wow...not at all.

 

[p4poetic]

Yea I could see the electric hand buzzer fitting into Nolan's universe. That's probably one of the only Joker gag weapons that could to be honest. Or maybe the gun that shoots out the little "bang" flag, but with another squeeze of the trigger it shoots out the flag. That could work if done right and not too over the top.

This is a nice example.

http://sullen-skrewt.deviantart.com/art/The-Joker-73847544

 

[BestGirl]

I did like that he did utilize acid in killing the first commish. His murders were more in tune with the "I'm not there to witness it, but can't wait to hear about the aftermath" stuff he does sometimes.

I noticed that he didn't witness quite a few of the murders he committed - even the ones he was present for. Remember he tossed those guys the billiard cue parts and then just walked out and didn't even watch as Lau burned or the Chechen was cut into little pieces.

 

[regwec]

I imagine that had something to do with the movie's rating; it would be difficult to satisfactorally show The Joker witnessing something that the audience is not allowed to see or hear.

 

[titan101]

This is a nice example.

http://sullen-skrewt.deviantart.com/art/The-Joker-73847544

woah ! that is amazing !

 

[PyroChamber]

Same here. I've never seen the character as having a fondness for knives, so that was just waaaay off to me.

Oh, wait....

I always figured that the knives were sort of a last resort, in case everything else didn't work.

 

[regwec]

Excellent point- he does tend to pull the blade just before he meets the Batfist.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Originally posted by Andre@s

 

[nathaniel]

Now dont get me wrong i loved Ledgers portayal but I absolutly hate the way folks seem to want to water down Joker because Nolan did. FOR MOST OF HIS EXISTENCE HE HAS BEEN A CLOWN WHO KILLS WITH HAND BUZZERS ACID FLOWERS ECT its like you have all gone all snooty and the joker of the last 50 years is beneath you it all has to be hyper realism for generation 2009 anything less cant be taken seriously.

Joker got interesting when he was slightly reinvented to be the eternally laughing clown prince of crime like i said Ledger was great but Mark Hammils Joker with more violence is still the Joker i want to see on the screen exploding whoppee cushions and all

Think about it not once in dark Knight did we just see joker laughing fit to burst for some trivial reason or no reason at all.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Think about it not once in dark Knight did we just see joker laughing fit to burst for some trivial reason or no reason at all.

You apparently walked out of the movie before the part where he busts out laughing at the end for no reason at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JOXFPVZcMU

 

[nathaniel]

One small part at the end? it just wasnt enough and i mean something crazy where he just laughs while sitting down not because he thinks he has one upped Bats at the end of the movie just a small chuckle building too a insane gut busting laugh its a small nitpick but i think it goes a long way to show his insanity that oodles of dialouge discussing madness cant do.

One thing i felt with Nolans Joker was that if you took away the makeup and called him "scarface" we would still get a terrifically acted portrayal of a psycho but Joker is more then that IMO thats why he is called joker.

 

[redfirebird2008]

One small part at the end? it just wasnt enough and i mean something crazy where he just laughs while sitting down not because he thinks he has one upped Bats at the end of the movie just a small chuckle building too a insane gut busting laugh its a small nitpick but i think it goes a long way to show his insanity that oodles of dialouge discussing madness cant do.

One thing i felt with Nolans Joker was that if you took away the makeup and called him "scarface" we would still get a terrifically acted portrayal of a psycho but Joker is more then that IMO thats why he is called joker.

I was just glad they made him a really smart character. Bout damn time he wasn't portrayed as just a goofball in makeup. I thought there was plenty of quirkiness and humor though.

 

[Bat-Mite]

Now dont get me wrong i loved Ledgers portayal but I absolutly hate the way folks seem to want to water down Joker because Nolan did. FOR MOST OF HIS EXISTENCE HE HAS BEEN A CLOWN WHO KILLS WITH HAND BUZZERS ACID FLOWERS ECT

The character's been around for close to 70 years. He's only been killing with gag weapons since the 70's. I wouldn't call that most of his existence.

its like you have all gone all snooty and the joker of the last 50 years is beneath you it all has to be hyper realism for generation 2009 anything less cant be taken seriously.

Funny that you're trying to spin this that Nolan twisted the character to make him oh so new and hardcore, when he's actually closest to the Joker that appeared in Batman #1. The only real difference (apart from superficial issues like the lack of permawhite skin) is that he didn't use Joker venom in this movie. Unless you count the grenade he used on the bank manager, but that gas could have been anything.

Think about it not once in dark Knight did we just see joker laughing fit to burst for some trivial reason or no reason at all.

I seem to recall him laughing his ass off when the helicopter crashed and when he threw Rachel out the window. Yes, these are only two instances, but you have to take into account that the Joker actually didn't have a whole lot of screentime. Perhaps these things don't count as "trivial" or "no reason at all", but I don't remember the modern Joker ever busting out with the HaHAhAHa's at random, either. He usually does that after he's done something horrible to somebody (like blowing them up with a trick cigar).

 

[redfirebird2008]

Funny that you're trying to spin this that Nolan twisted the character to make him oh so new and hardcore, when he's actually closest to the Joker that appeared in Batman #1. The only real difference (apart from superficial issues like the lack of permawhite skin) is that he didn't use Joker venom in this movie. Unless you count the grenade he used on the bank manager, but that gas could have been anything.

I think the Joker carving smiles into people's faces with a knife is Nolan's version of the Joker venom in Batman #1. It's a more realistic "calling card" for the Joker but still a calling card nonetheless.

 

[CaptainClown]

ya, cutting their face and painting their faces with a grin like his is very similar to joker venom

 

[Pauluz]

Check this out;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoA9UNpF1xk

 

[p4poetic]

 

[Anita18]

The character's been around for close to 70 years. He's only been killing with gag weapons since the 70's. I wouldn't call that most of his existence.Funny that you're trying to spin this that Nolan twisted the character to make him oh so new and hardcore, when he's actually closest to the Joker that appeared in Batman #1. The only real difference (apart from superficial issues like the lack of permawhite skin) is that he didn't use Joker venom in this movie. Unless you count the grenade he used on the bank manager, but that gas could have been anything.I seem to recall him laughing his ass off when the helicopter crashed and when he threw Rachel out the window. Yes, these are only two instances, but you have to take into account that the Joker actually didn't have a whole lot of screentime. Perhaps these things don't count as "trivial" or "no reason at all", but I don't remember the modern Joker ever busting out with the HaHAhAHa's at random, either. He usually does that after he's done something horrible to somebody (like blowing them up with a trick cigar).

Or when Bats is trying to beat answers out of him. Uselessly, I might add.

I guess this Joker mostly laughs at the uselessness of other people's plans.

I certainly don't picture Ledger's Joker using an acid-squirting flower or a deadly hand-buzzer, although they are very Joker. Just not this version. Nolan's Joker is a psychopathic nihilist. He likes to prove that nothing in this world matters, and he likes watching people squirm. People don't always interpret a flower pin or a handshake as particularly dangerous, but they know a knife is dangerous when they see one.

 

[Jokers_Wild]

Now dont get me wrong i loved Ledgers portayal but I absolutly hate the way folks seem to want to water down Joker because Nolan did. FOR MOST OF HIS EXISTENCE HE HAS BEEN A CLOWN WHO KILLS WITH HAND BUZZERS ACID FLOWERS ECT its like you have all gone all snooty and the joker of the last 50 years is beneath you it all has to be hyper realism for generation 2009 anything less cant be taken seriously.

Joker got interesting when he was slightly reinvented to be the eternally laughing clown prince of crime like i said Ledger was great but Mark Hammils Joker with more violence is still the Joker i want to see on the screen exploding whoppee cushions and all

Think about it not once in dark Knight did we just see joker laughing fit to burst for some trivial reason or no reason at all.

We already got this twenty years ago. It's called Batman. It's got some guy named Nicholson I think.

 

[regwec]

The character's been around for close to 70 years. He's only been killing with gag weapons since the 70's. I wouldn't call that most of his existence.Funny that you're trying to spin this

He has used joke weapons since the Silver Age at least. Granted, they weren't often lethal, because nobody was allowed to kill anybody at that time. But they certainly have been part of his repertoire for most of his existence.

And let's not revert to pretending that Jack Nicholson offered a literal interpretation of the comicbook Joker. None of you are that ignorant. If nothing else, you must realise that the character has developed in the last twenty years, just as he did in the previous fifty.

 

[BestGirl]

One small part at the end? it just wasnt enough and i mean something crazy where he just laughs while sitting down not because he thinks he has one upped Bats at the end of the movie just a small chuckle building too a insane gut busting laugh its a small nitpick but i think it goes a long way to show his insanity that oodles of dialouge discussing madness cant do.

One thing i felt with Nolans Joker was that if you took away the makeup and called him "scarface" we would still get a terrifically acted portrayal of a psycho but Joker is more then that IMO thats why he is called joker.

The Joker did laugh hysterically often in TDK but what made Heath's performance great was that he showed the Joker's comical madness in more subtle ways. Listen to his nasally voice, or watch his body language during the pencil trick and when he was blowing up the hospital. Those things are Jokerish too.

I was just glad they made him a really smart character. Bout damn time he wasn't portrayed as just a goofball in makeup. I thought there was plenty of quirkiness and humor though.

QFT, sir.

The only real difference (apart from superficial issues like the lack of permawhite skin) is that he didn't use Joker venom in this movie. Unless you count the grenade he used on the bank manager, but that gas could have been anything.

Maybe the Commissioner died by drinking Joker venom.

 

[p4poetic]

Yes, I liked his subtly performance. Its because he's not purposely trying to be funny is what is alluring. The way he walked out of the hospital, the fact that he's wearing a nurse outfit -- just the visual of that is funny. When the explosion didn't come off at first and he keeps on pressing the button, when he washes his hands casually in the hallway, that's what made me laugh.

 

[Rasputin911]

They didn't jsut use the laugh superficially to show "yea this guys a nutcase can't you tell" in TDK...they used it intelligently to disturb

Laughing as a building blows up or something is expected of a bad guy...but laughing as you get the **** beat out of you? or as you're dangling upside down surrounded by cops? that's pretty freaky and makes the laugh more important