The Me Too Movement: The Sexual Harassment and Assault Thread

[chamber-music]

The article says no-one is accusing him of assault and at best implies he used shady tactics to hook up with these women. The website also mentions the people coming forward are not looking to have him cancelled but all of them know very well that's exactly going to happen. Look, I'm trying not to sound like a dick or anything but personal responsibility has to be a factor in this stuff sometimes and it makes me wonder how badly informed the 20-30 somethings of the world have been taught about what to lookout for in potential bad actors in this area. This is not the same as someone being assaulted though, when the women say something like they didn't give 'informed consent' they're coming across as helpless girls. It implies sexual relations are suppose to happen a certain way and if they don't that's akin to assault. Coercion, grooming, etc, these are words that are meant to be reserved for the worst humans possible, and yet they are tossed around here as if the situation is of the same level.

Ellis actions are ethically shady but not illegal. Ellis used some manipulative pick up artist style behaviour to get women which looks even worst given Ellis portrays himself as a more open minded/progressive kind of dude.

I don't want victim blame but it is a bit naive to think some notable person you interactive with on the internet doesn't have some ulterior motive. It is especaillyture if it is an older guy with some fame or power and your a younger attractive woman.

Ellis secretly maintained up to 19 relationships at a time, while running online forums where many women believed their participation was dependent on looks and availability. One contributor writes about an “unspoken requirement for continued membership: be sexually desirable (if not outright available to be seen as such) or be ridiculed. Or worst of all, ignored.”

Seems like at least some of the women on these forums were wise enough to know Ellis was running a groupie harem.

 

[divan]

Ellis actions are ethically shady but not illegal. Ellis used some manipulative pick up artist style behaviour to get women which looks even worst given Ellis portrays himself as a more open minded/progressive kind of dude.

I don't want victim blame but it is a bit naive to think some notable person you interactive with on the internet doesn't have some ulterior motive. It is especaillyture if it is an older guy with some fame or power and your a younger attractive woman.

But because he's an older, more experienced and more powerful person he holds the much greater slice of resposability in this situation. It's easy to say they were naïve and probably, from a purely etymological point of view, they were, but often naïveté comes from a moment of vulnerability a young person doesn't fully understand or can deal with, something people (either knowingly or unknowingly) exploit. It's not ilegal, but it's not the kind of behaviour that should be swept under the carpet either.

 

[chamber-music]

But because he's an older, more experienced and more powerful person he holds the much greater slice of resposability in this situation. It's easy to say they were naïve and probably, from a purely etymological point of view, they were, but often naïveté comes from a moment of vulnerability a young person doesn't fully understand or can deal with, something people (either knowingly or unknowingly) exploit. It's not ilegal, but it's not the kind of behaviour that should be swept under the carpet either.

I don't disagree. Ellis as the the person with the most power certainly holds the bigger slice of responsibility and he certainly used his power/influence over some possibly emotionally vulnerable women to elicit a sexual relationship out of them. It is why Ellis is getting called out.

I was just surprised so many women fell for Ellis sweet talking. Trusting random guys on the internet is the modern equivalent of accepting candy from strangers. Unfortunately we live in a world in which people will prey on your weaknesses so unless you want to be exploited you can't really afford to trust some famous guy on the internet that tells you things you want to hear.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Esther Salas: Son of federal judge killed after gunman opened fire at her New Jersey home - CNN

Not normally a conspiracy type but this is the judge in the Epstein/Maxwell case.

 

[Silvermoon]

Esther Salas: Son of federal judge killed after gunman opened fire at her New Jersey home - CNN

Not normally a conspiracy type but this is the judge in the Epstein/Maxwell case.

To go along with it, an update on the shooter ::
Suspect in shooting of federal judge's son and husband at her New Jersey home has died, sources say - CNN

 

[terry78]

I'm sure he has.

 

[Lily Adler]

 

[terry78]

This is my shocked face.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This is my shocked face.

You were so shocked, you stopped breathing and your face changed colors.

 

[Schlosser85]

 

[Lily Adler]

 

[Teelie]

Not a surprise there. It feels like a prerequisite at this point to be on Fox News.

 

[Sawyer]

This took a long time.

Jeffrey Epstein Confidante Ghislaine Maxwell Arrested, Sources Say

*looks directly into camera, like Jim Halpert*

 

[terry78]

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

*looks directly into camera, like Jim Halpert*

I bet he does and I bet he did.

 

[chamber-music]

Not a surprise there. It feels like a prerequisite at this point to be on Fox News.

Fox pundits love ranting about immoral Hollywood and traditional family values while behind the scenes they are all a bunch of misogynistic, sexist, racist scumbags. The hypocrisy is epic.

 

[Lily Adler]

Lawsuit accuses ex-Fox host Ed Henry of rape

Just a heads up it gets graphic.

 

[Teelie]

Fox pundits love ranting about immoral Hollywood and traditional family values while behind the scenes they are all a bunch of misogynistic, sexist, racist scumbags. The hypocrisy is epic.

For these people, all of that is "traditional family values."

 

[Donner]

Lawsuit accuses ex-Fox host Ed Henry of rape

Just a heads up it gets graphic.

Why is it that old, white men text like teenagers? Using "u" and "r" and capitalizing weird words, it's so bizarre and creepy as ****.

Also, all of those guys can get castrated.

 

[Calvin]

I bet he does and I bet he did.

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Haha, well played.

 

[Lencho01]

Why is it that old, white men text like teenagers? Using "u" and "r" and capitalizing weird words, it's so bizarre and creepy as ****.

Also, all of those guys can get castrated.

You'd be surprised at the number of people (of all ages) who still text like they have strict limitations to text size as if they're using old flip phones.

 

[Sithborg]

Fox pundits love ranting about immoral Hollywood and traditional family values while behind the scenes they are all a bunch of misogynistic, sexist, racist scumbags. The hypocrisy is epic.

Not really. The sexism, the misogyny, the racism is all part of their "traditional values".

 

[Donner]

You'd be surprised at the number of people (of all ages) who still text like they have strict limitations to text size as if they're using old flip phones.

I just picture these guys putting on their reading glasses, holding the phone at arm's length and pressing the buttons with the pointer finger.

"U R hawt. Pls txt me a pic of UR boobs."

 

[Lily Adler]

Looks like the allegations on Hannity and Carlson may have holes.

 

[Snow Queen]