The Official Batman Returns Thread - Part 2

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Brandon Routh's Superman was a non-violent, sensitive, emasculated metrosexual, deadbeat dad, jealous peeping tom, soft spoken baby-faced pretty boy with brown hair wearing a spandex costume with low-riding short-shorts.

 

[Ponyboy]

^ Haha... I missed Man-bat's original post. That's hilarious. I tend to agree, though I might not have been quite so harsh.

 

[theMan-Bat]

What about Riddler? Frank Gorshin or Jim Carrey? I'm more partial to Frank Gorshin, as he is more like the Riddler in the 40s-50s comics.

Definitely Frank Gorshin's Riddler was closer to the Riddler character from the comics. The reason I didn't list the Riddler is because I'm also not satisfied with Frank Gorshin's campy portrayal. The general public's view of the Riddler as a giggling, hyperactive, cane twirling goofball because of Frank Gorshin and Jim Carrey's versions is why I was hoping Riddler would be the main villain in The Dark Knight Rises so a serious, cold, calculating live-action version could be seen by the general public in live-action, as John Glover's portrayal of the Riddler was in Batman: The Animated Series. The general public who don't read comic books, or watch Batman: The Animated Series, also thought of Two-Face as a giggling, wise-cracking hyperactive goofball because of Tommy Lee Jones' version until Aaron Eckhart's version showed everyone Two-Face as a serious tragic man with a grotesque disfigurement.

Mr Freeze I give to Arnie, simply for having the "Heart of Ice" origin.

The "Heart of Ice" origin was so played down in Batman & Robin and the ice and cold puns were so prominent. Mr. Freeze I give to George Sanders, for being the only live-action actor that actually wore the protective Cryogenic helmet that conceals the perpetually cold temperature-regulating coolant within his suit that Mr. Freeze needs to live. The reason I didn't list Mr. Freeze is because I'm also not satisfied with George Sanders' portrayal either, especially compared to Michael Ansara's awesome portrayal of Mr. Freeze in Batman: The Animated Series. I'd like to see the Riddler and Mr. Freeze portrayed seriously in live-action, as they've been portrayed in animation.

Bane is no-brainer.

Definitively Tom Hardy.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Christopher Reeve isn't the "real" Superman to me, but your post got me thinking about the live-action actors that personified the DC comic book characters the fullest in my opinion. Out of all of the live-action actors, George Reeves is the "real" Superman to me, and Michael Keaton is the "real" Batman to me. George Reeves captured Superman's charisma, confidence, aggressiveness, maturity, dedication to a never-ending battle for truth, justice and the American way. George Reeves captured both Superman's rugged and distinguished sides, authoritative fatherly figure, yet gentlemanly, and polite, and Clark Kent's coy, believably mild-mannered persona without acting bumbling and inept (Christopher Reeve's Kent). Christopher Reeve's Superman was none-aggressive, less enthusiastic and willing to give up his life as Superman to be with Lois Lane. Jason Kemp in Rear Window was Christopher Reeve’s best performance in my opinion. Kirk Alyn's Clark Kent was bumbling and his Superman was goofy, prancing and skipping around like a flea. Dean Cain lacked the mature presence and gravitas of Superman. Brandon Routh's Superman was a non-violent, sensitive, emasculated metrosexual, deadbeat dad, jealous peeping tom, soft spoken baby-faced pretty boy with brown hair wearing a spandex costume with low-riding short-shorts. Henry Cavill's Clark Kent is reportedly lonely, angst-ridden, not wanting to be Superman, and reluctantly grappling with whether or not he should become Superman.

Michael Keaton captured Batman's innate grimness, maturity, self-reliance, capability as a detective, inventor, mechanic, etc., displaying controlled calculating anger, intimidation, and Bruce Wayne's playboy persona and philanthropy without acting like a sterile saint (Adam West's Wayne, as is West's Batman) or a pompous jerk (Christian Bale's Wayne). Lewis Wilson lacked the distinction between Bruce Wayne and Batman's voices that Michael Keaton utilized so well. Over-weight Robert Lowery lacked Batman's fit figure, mobility and looked laughably ridiculous in costume. Val Kilmer's Bruce Wayne lacked the black hair and lacked the confidence of Bruce Wayne, as he displayed an uncomfortablity, awkwardness and was unsure of himself, and Kilmer's Batman spouted dialogue that is ridiculously out of character for Batman, "Chicks dig the car," "I'll get drive thru," etc. And getting over has parents death and deciding to quit being Batman to live as Bruce Wayne misses the driving force of the Batman character which is that he's avenging his parents by dedicated his life to warring on crime, and unlike Peter Parker, there is no looking to get out of it. As Keaton's Batman said in Batman, "This is something I have to do. This is how it is. It's not a perfect world." Also, Kilmer's Bruce Wayne says "I killed them", in Batman Forever, has a Uncle Ben guilt complex over his parents death. And Kilmer's Batman complains like a worried girlfriend after Robin just saved his life, "You could have gotten yourself killed!" George Clooney's Batman lacks any menace and Clooney's Bruce Wayne acts and speaks identical to his Batman, detached and bemused with a tendency to smile at somber moments. Christian Bale's Batman lacks Batman's detective skills, strategy skills, etc., while Cain's Alfred, Freeman's Lucius and Oldman's Gordon do a lot of the thinking for him. Patrick Bateman in American Psycho was Christian Bale's best performance in my opinion.

Lynda Carter is the "real" Wonder Woman to me. Lynda Carter captured Wonder Woman's strength, independence, security, self-reliance, nobility and upbeat personality. Lynda Carter captured Wonder Woman as the strong, noble, independent and secure female hero the character was created to be. She was a feminist icon and female role model. Adrianne Palicki's Wonder Woman is heartbroken, sad, mopey, self-pitying, she cries herself to sleep over her ex-boyfriend whom she has been broken up with for four years, which diminishes the character. Adrianne Palicki's Wonder Woman also throws a pipe through someone's throat and stabs him to a door and she tortures a guy for information while breaking his arm, while the lasso of truth is right there at her side. That brutality is completely contradictory to Wonder Woman's mission to bring the Amazon ideals of love and peace to the world of men. Adrianne Palicki's Wonder Woman is also a mega-billionaire, the chairman of Themyscira Industries licensing her image to dolls to make cash for herself. Too often in films and television we see women being portrayed as overly emotional drama-queens, over-reacting divas, breaking down and needing a strong, level-headed independent and secure man to save them. Wonder Woman was created to be a rebuke of that stereotype of women as weak and overly emotional.

Ryan Reynolds captured the humanity of Hal Jordan, the light-hearted humor, the ladies man aspect of Hal, Hal’s human foibles. Howard Murphy‘s portrayal of Hal Jordan in Legends of the Superheroes was completely campy and ridiculous.

Tom Tyler is the "real" Captain Marvel to me. Tom Tyler captured the child-like nature of Captain Marvel with the smile, the sense of having fun during his adventures. Jackson Bostwick and John Davey lacked that child-like quality of Captain Marvel that makes Captain Marvel so unique amongst superheroes.

Michelle Pfeiffer is the "real" Catwoman to me. Michelle Pfeiffer captured Catwoman's playful flirtation toward Batman, her love-hate relationship with Batman over her attraction to him and the conflict of her criminal activities, and the ambiguity of Catwoman being a villain but not being truly evil. Halle Berry's Catwoman isn't even Selina Kyle. Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether and Eartha Kitt's Catwoman was a generic villainess trying to kill Batman and Robin in various death traps. Anne Hathaway’s Catwoman seems to hate Batman/Bruce Wayne for being rich, and hates rich people in general, as her dialogue suggests in the trailer.

Jack Nicholson is the "real" Joker to me. Jack Nicholson captured the Joker's vanity, theatrically, sense of style, chemistry ability. Killing people in stylish and theatrical ways with permanent smiles on their faces through his Joker venom (Smilex). Jack Nicholson captured Joker's style of arbitrary chaos, anarchist schemes with stylish theatricality, and wanting ridiculously vain things like his face on the one dollar bill (which is similar to wanting to copyright fish that look like his face in the comics (Detective Comics #475 (1977) "The Laughing Fish")). Cesar Romero's Joker was a goofy crook with a predilection for slapstick gags and Heath Ledger's Joker lacked the Joker's vanity, theatrically, sense of style, chemistry ability, he was just an anarchist killer in sloppy clown make up, not about killing with style.

Danny DeVito is the "real" Penguin to me. Danny DeVito captured the Penguin's murderous nature, his anger at being an outcast that was rejected by society, his dark humor, even his bird obsession, also his conning personality pretending to be high class and respectable as a front for his villainous activities. Burgess Meredith's Penguin was just a silly crook.

Aaron Eckhart captured the tragedy of Two-Face, the torn, internal struggle of the duality. Tommy Lee Jones' Two-Face lacked all of that and was just a silly giggling buffoon.

And as usual, anything pro-Reeve/Donner sets off an article-sized rant.

 

[theMan-Bat]

That was not an angry rant.

 

[OutRiddled]

How about Lex Luthor? He's been played by 3-4 actors I think.

And Lois Lane. I like Margot Kidder much more than the girl in Superman Returns.

 

[Two-Face]

A day late

Happy Birthday to Michelle P aka Catwoman! moew!

 

[theMan-Bat]

How about Lex Luthor? He's been played by 3-4 actors I think.

And Lois Lane. I like Margot Kidder much more than the girl in Superman Returns.

I like Lyle Talbot as Luthor best from the otherwise weak Atom Man vs. Superman movie serial because Lyle Talbot portrayed Luthor seriously and looked just like Luthor from the comics. Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor was needlessly campy with Otis, etc. and Hackman refused to shave his head, Scott James Wells and Sherman Howard's Lex Luthor was a childish teen, John Shea looked nothing like Luthor, Michael Rosenbaum's teen version of Luthor also deviated too far from the comics for me and Kevin Spacey's Luthor was a rehash of Hackman's Luthor. Luthor has been portrayed much better in animation on The New Adventures of Superman, the Superman series by Ruby-Spears and Superman: The Animated Series.

And Lois Lane: I also like Margot Kidder as Lois better than the coed looking girl as Lois in Superman Returns, but I wasn't really impressed with Margot Kidder, either. I think she was average looking at best, and her character was a chain smoking hyperactive, also lacking the classic competitiveness with Clark, I could never understand why Reeve's Superman would be so in love with her. Of all of the live-action actresses that portrayed Lois, I like Phyllis Coates best in Superman and the Mole Men and the first season of the Adventures of Superman, because I feel Phyllis Coates best captured the feisty, competitive aggressiveness of Lois as Clark's rival reporter, which made her more believable as a successful reporter. Noel Neill was the second best Lois actress in my opinion. I liked Teri Hatcher as Lois until they had her become Clark's girlfriend and wife.

This has drifted far off the topic of Batman Returns. In my original two posts about this, the live-action actors that personified the DC characters the fullest in my opinion, I included Batman Returns actors which kept it somewhat on topic.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

These two need to be together...

 

[Two-Face]

Johnny Depp would have been a great as The Riddler in Burton movies. It's a shame Burton didn't get to make Batman 3.

 

[The Joker]

Michelle never seems to age much. She still looks beautiful.

 

[Cain]

Michelle never seems to age much. She still looks beautiful.

David E. Kelley is a very lucky.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

 

[Two-Face]

Great picture.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Whose hand is that though?

It doesn't look like Batman's glove.

 

[El Payaso]

Whose hand is that though?

It doesn't look like Batman's glove.

It's both hands actually.

 

[Ponyboy]

I don't recall seeing this one before...

 

[BatSpider]

^ Nicholas Cage to play Burton in biopic judging from that picture.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I think it's time we did a little celebration leading up to the 20th anniversary of Batman Returns... on June 19th 2012.

First up. And it's a long one...

Batman Returns Novelization Analysis

Film is a visual medium, and that is exactly the case with Tim Burton’s Batman Returns. How do you even attempt to replicate a feature film oozing atmosphere with black text printed onto plain pieces of paper?

Well, Craig Shaw Gardner, the author of the Batman Returns novelization, sets out to do this in his own way and has a degree of success.

The way in which this novelization is written makes fans of the film fondly recall the onscreen antics. Even if you haven’t seen the movie, the plot, often dismissed as lightweight, is engaging and mostly gravitates to the characters’ thoughts and decisions, which manage to give the fantasy a human foundation. Which I deem to be one of the film’s biggest strengths. But from my point of view, this is more of an experience for the real fans. The true believers.

The novelization gives you the film as it is, and also digs a bit deeper to give additional information, expanded and alternate scenes. These moments make you sit up and take notice. They don’t feel forced, either. They feel quite natural in terms of who the characters are and what would likely happen.

Like the movie, there is an ironic and dark humor running throughout the novelization. During the abduction of the children near the end of the novelization, the Penguin wants to know why they haven’t yet arrived at his lair to be drowned in toxic waste. “Don’t tell me they stopped off at McDonalds” he quips. During the opening sequence with The Penguin baby and his parents, it is especially ironic. “And baby is there, too, in that playpen. Well, maybe it looks less like a playpen and more like a cage, but baby mustn’t get into mischief.” There is social commentary to be had as well, with the beauty pageant sweetheart the Ice Princess pushing an old woman to the ground during The Red Triangle Circus Gang attack in the first act.

I’m one of those who view the world of Batman Returns as somewhat timeless. As if it takes place in a snow globe. However, the opening sequence with the baby Penguin being born apparently takes place in the early 50s, a few months before Christmas. The Penguin’s father enters to view his newborn child and screams. The scene transitions to the baby Penguin locked away in his cage a few months later, killing the family cat. Later that very night, the parents drop The Penguin into the sewers, and we time jump once more into the present day, where the film and novelization’s narrative takes place.

These days, we are told, things are different, because there’s a Batman. A proud father shows a sled with a bat emblem emblazoned on it to his wife. A potential present for their child. But a monologue by The Penguin states pain and death wait for people on the city streets, because he’s the kind of bird that can make it happen.

Alfred is still running Christmas errands at the beginning of the film, but his part here is expanded. As the Christmas present explodes with the Red Triangle Circus Gang, Alfred is in the middle of a rampaging crowd, hastily trying to reach the Rolls Royce to call Bruce. Alfred then turns his head and smiles; as he witnesses The Batmobile arrive just in time.

During the iconic shot of Bruce brooding in the darkness, we are told Bruce is home because he doesn’t like crowds. This follows on to give the traditional parent murder sequence we don’t see in the film, because it’s taking place inside Bruce’s mind. This is interrupted by the bat signal shining through his window. I appreciated this moment as it reminds the reader of Batman’s motivations and also allows us to see things from his perspective. Burton provided the image and the novel enriches the sequence in the written sense. Bruce again remembers his parents death later in the story, when The Penguin speaks on television about wanting to find his parents. Michael Keaton’s Bruce Wayne is very internalized and guarded, and I personally saw this conveyed in the film via his eyes and body language. Just because he doesn’t talk about certain issues often doesn’t mean he doesn’t care. Far from it. He cares the most.

After we first read Max and the Mayor’s discussion about the power plant, it’s time to go down and bring joy to the masses below. Here, we have Max taking the Mayor down the executive elevator, guiding the Mayor right through the first floor of his department store – which is said to be important to Gotham City’s economy. When Shreck prospered, the City did, and Max was reminding him.

Upon reaching the street level, Max passes two bills to the Salavation Army Santa. The bill on top is $50. Max gets he photo opportunity and the Santa frowns as he sees the second note. It’s a single. It doesn’t bother Max though, as he notes the cameras have already moved on and the Santa is already old news. Also interesting to acknowledge is sludge and waste on the ground, presumably from Max’s clean textile plant, and they must move around it on their way to the podium.

The convenient and coincidental plot device of Max falling down the sewer grate to The Penguin’s lair is simply and quite logically explained away. Gardner says it’s a cold night, the grate below Max’s feet is oddly warm and Max is waiting to decide his next move. It’s still a suspension of disbelief, but that sounds reasonable, don’t you think? Once Max is inside the lair, we find out the red Christmas stocking The Penguin hands around is the stocking Max’s grandmother had knitted. I find this a nice touch, and also quite sinister – showing The Penguin has taken the time to gather a number of Max’s items (the shredded documents, toxic waste, Fred’s hand, and apparently this stocking as well).

When Batman cruises the snow-covered streets in the Batmobile, watching The Penguin as he compiles his list, Alfred pesters him about what he’s eating, if he’s sleeping properly and that he should look after himself. Later, in the batcave, where Bruce is given his cold vichyssoise, Alfred asks if the term Christmas holiday means anything to him. Bruce laughs, throws a CD over to Alfred like a Frisbee and tells him to listen to himself. Alfred plays the CD and hears the conversation he had while Bruce was out patrolling. “I learned to live without a mother a long time ago, thanks.” This bonus scene acts as a warm up to the later sequence in which The Penguin hijacks the Batmobile, and Batman once again records a voice, this time not to embarrass, but to disclose an awful truth.

After meeting Shreck and discussing the power plant, Bruce is in a daze over Selina Kyle and she walks him to the elevator. She walks away and the doors close per the movie. But here, he forces the elevator back open and walks back to Selina as he forgot to ask her last name. Bruce watches Selina squeeze blood from her injured finger into Shreck’s coffee – internally she comments “so Max, want more more of my blood?” – and Bruce, totally besotted and dare say a little strange to begin with, continues to talk as if he sees people dripping blood into coffee every day. It’s a moment that I now tell myself did happen, but we didn’t see. It strikes that quirky and dark Batman Returns balance. And this isn’t the only time we see hidden surprises in coffee…

During Catwoman’s destruction of Shreck’s building, she plays cool jazz on a nearby stereo. Something that doesn’t happen in the film. However in the film, Elfman’s soundtrack gives us something in the sleek spirit of the character. During the identity reveal at the masked ball, a slow, sad song is being played – which must be Face To Face. Immediately after The Penguin’s explosive entrance, Selina yells “Bruce, we have to do something” – but he is gone. A scene that doesn’t happen in the movie but adds to the up and down complexity of Selina. I found this quite sad, knowing how she ended the story with Bruce, rejecting a life with him, going on to murder Max and risk her own life in the process.

Following Catwoman’s destruction of Max’s shopping center, we are given a totally new sequence involving Selina at work. We are told Selina has removed her old, ‘wimpy’ notes she wrote to herself and posted over her work computer. She replaced them with “defy authority”, “take no prisoners” and “expose the horror”. A fly buzzes close to Selina’s ear, and she snatches and crushes it without looking up. She really is a new woman with a new outlook on life.

We see Selina confidently taunting her boss. “Morning, Max. Bummer about the store. You covered?” Max says he better be and wants Selina to make a call to Gotham Insurance. Instead, Selina says she’s taking a personal day off and leaves. Before she does, Max sips his coffee, only to spit a live cockroach from his mouth onto a table. We get another taunting quip from Selina: ‘Those darned exterminators. They swore the machine was shipshape!”, and from here, Selina suits up as Catwoman to meet The Penguin, where they discuss the Batmobile tampering.

In the movie, after meeting up with Selina in the City Square and agreeing to watch the tree lighting ceremony at Wayne Manor, Bruce walks away and Selina remains standing with a smile. In the novelization, Bruce takes Selina’s hand and they walk together towards the waiting Rolls Royce. The scene is followed up a few pages later, where it is revealed Bruce asked Selina if she wanted to go to Wayne Manor right there and then, or wanted wait until the evening. This shows Bruce is eager. Selina opts for the evening and asks for directions to drive herself, although Bruce volunteered Alfred chauffeuring services. A woman needs her independence, Kyle internally ponders. Does Bruce walk back and take Selina’s hand after the scene cuts away in the movie, or does he just keep walking? That’s up to you to decide.

Vicki Vale is referenced twice in the novelization. Not just Bruce’s taunt to Alfred about letting her in to the batcave, but straight after that Selina’s name is brought up. Bruce comments that he thinks she has more facets than Vicki and is funny, but also mysterious. Alfred said that’s Bruce’s own affair. The word affair piques Bruce’s interest, replying with “yes, maybe if she…”

It is made clear that the Burton Batman does not mind killing, as shown with the Strongman detonation. After The Penguin falls into the waters of his Arctic Lair and emerges damaged, we are treated to something a little different and in line with the killer of Burton’s Batman. Batman holds the bullet-firing umbrella and aims it directly between The Penguin’s eyes. Batman follows The Penguin and we are told he is still ready to fire if need be. But The Penguin drops dead, like in the movie, and Batman puts the deadly umbrella down. Again, this obviously does not occur in the movie, but I have speculated myself what Batman would do if The Penguin did not die naturally, and I always come back to the answer this book gives us. He wouldn’t let him remain alive after all he attempted to do. It feels logical to me.

Before rescuing the Ice Princess, Batman watches the Mayor make his address to the Gotham people. The Mayor states that Batman will be brought in for questioning. Obviously relating to the batarang incident The Penguin set up. It is said half of the Mayor’s speech is lost in feedback because The Penguin was playing with control knobs – letting a few words here and there out. Just enough to give the Mayor hope he was being heard, but also confusing the audience. This sequence is quite funny, given a similar interference happens to The Penguin later on. The Mayor and the Mayoral prospect.

It is stated Commissioner Gordon had 100 police stationed around the plaza, and 20 more watched from surrounding buildings. Gordon is contacted by the 12th precinct by radio that the Ice Princess has been found, and just as they begin to move through the crowd, Batman ‘pushes’ the Princess. A moment that Gordon does not completely believe, telling himself Batman probably tried to save her.

When the Ice Princess falls down to hit the button, the tree lights up and bats emerge. Here, the bats are explained. At some point beforehand, The Penguin (perhaps with Shreck’s help/connections) filled the tree with cages of bats that were released at the push of a button. Another suspension of disbelief, but again, storing the bats in cages makes sense and Gardner at least attempts to cover this segment of the movie.

Even if this isn’t good enough, logic be damned. It’s a great visual for a movie and captures the emotion of the scene. To the public, Batman has snapped and killed the Ice Princess and they are now running in a panic from his kind swarming in the air, with him flying away to join them. Speaking of bats, the bats that are launched at The Penguin later on from the batskiboat are said to be agitated from being in an enclosed space for too long. I’m not sure what Batman had planned, but again, if this isn’t good enough for you, logic be damned. The way they attack The Penguin feels like what goes around comes around.

Gordon and the police take an elevator up the building, then headed up stairs to the roof. Gordon demands them to hold their fire on Batman as in the movie, but of course they don’t. Batman’s fall is apparently only a dozen feet down to a penthouse terrace. After his encounter with Catwoman and escaping with his glider, Batman again falls to the ground hard before entering the Batmobile, just like the comic adaption.

Regarding The Penguin’s intent, Gardner states he was sidetracked by personal glory/personalized revenge, and those goals depended on outside factors the Penguin couldn’t control. Therefore the rocket wielding penguin army plan would go ahead, something we learn he had been planning for years. Once deciding this was the next move, t he outfitting of the rockets and radio control devices took a whole day to outfit, finishing before Christmas Eve.

In the movie, the batskiboat is seen in the sewer pipes already cruising to The Penguin’s lair. But in the novelization, Gardner expands this to reveal Batman drove down Gotham River. Something logical and obvious, but nevertheless something exciting to imagine.

Selina’s confrontation with Max plays out very similarly to the movie. Important to note is that Max shoots Selina in areas such as her arm, leg and thigh. Gardner says she is bleeding but can’t feel it, as she was determined to finish off Max if it was the last thing she would ever do. Upon reaching Max, Selina places the stun gun in her mouth, grabs Max and drives her talons into the generator fuse box. It causes both of their bodies to jump as electricity arcs through them.

At the end of the main narrative, the power goes off in Gotham City, ala the comic adaption. Funnily enough, Gordon ponders if Shreck had been right all along about his power scheme. Later, all the lights come back on, and we have dialogue between Gordon and the Mayor, wondering if Batman will ever forgive them, to which Gordon replies probably not, but he will always help. This sequence is also present in the comic adaption.

After reading the novelization you may feel the need to watch the film again to see it in a newfound light. That is one of the main positives to come out of this. The novelization makes your imagination run a little bit more wild and think outside the box while inside the movie. You can transport these internal character thoughts into the movie. Some things don’t fit as they don’t happen in the scenes – like Batman aiming the umbrella at the Penguin, but it does tell you what he as a character would have done, and was willing to do.


With 2012 being the 20th Anniversary of Batman Returns, now is the perfect time to give the novelization a read and get the edge on your fellow Batman fans.

http://www.batman-online.com/features/2012/5/22/batman-returns-novelization-analysis

By 'The Dark Knight'... a great poster over on: http://www.batman-online.com/

I read the novelization last summer, so I'm a little hazy on the details myself... but it really deserves another re-read.

 

[Elevator Man]

I didn't know they made 2 novels for BR.

I only own this novel.

As well as the comic book adaptation of BR.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Yeah Andrew Helfer wrote the children's novel... and also did one for Batman: Mask of the Phantasm the following year.

Gardner's novel is really good. You should get it.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Just in time for the 20th anniversary... Rob Burman talks about making the movies costumes.

Sounds like Michael, Michelle and Danny had some challenges.

[YT]wtVuvN7hVfs[/YT]

 

[Two-Face]

I didn't know Danny DeVito was in UK....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzfCOUTfV5s


I past that place almost every day....

 

[Hellion]

I didn't know they made 2 novels for BR.

I only own this novel.

As well as the comic book adaptation of BR.

...I don't have the kids novel but i still have the Batman Returns: The Penguins Plot kids book...

 

[Ponyboy]

I didn't know Danny DeVito was in UK....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzfCOUTfV5s


I past that place almost every day....

yeah he was on Jonathan Ross not too long ago...