Gotham The Official Gotham News and discussion thread - Part 1

[declan]

........... so anyway.

https://***********/TVMoJoe/status/521336001222832129

Thanks. Gotham's doing very well up against stiff competition, and I personally think the show is getting better.

I'm surprised by how many people I know who are watching it and enjoying it, and I'm talking about people who almost never are watching the same shows I am.

I'm pleased.

 

[The Shape]

All we ask for is realism and not an insult to our intelligence. The actress playing Barbara is way, way too hot. It makes Gotham look like a CW show.
Doesn't seem to have much acting chops either.


I mean come on... Jim Gordon's wife?

 

[The Guard]

Fish Mooney is awful, cringe-inducing, I can't anymore. Why is Will Smith's anorexic wife playing a non-cannon character who is controlling Gotham and bossing around everyone? It's clear Mrs. Smith has no idea the tone of a comic book adaptation and thinks the audience are a bunch of 12 year olds who require OTT scene chewing villains. Her character is not needed. No one asked for it. I'm pretty sure the BATMAN UNIVERSE is not short of villains. Why create this role just for her? Star power?

She's really not that bad. Some of you need to get out more. She's doing a fairly balanced job portraying a character who is basically just a walking ego. She's SUPPOSED to be the way she's acting. It's not like she's not getting direction. Fish is supposed to be very much full of herself, and very "regal" in her actions and mannerisms.

She's also not controlling Gotham. It's pretty obvious that Falcone, Fish and Maroni are controlling/attempting to control different parts of the city.

It's pretty obvious why this character exists. She's filling a role existing characters cannot fill for fairly obvious reasons.

Ivy Pepper? Fox genius exec$ thinking ''Pamela Isley'' is not a cool enough name for the kids of 2014 so have to change 50 YEARS of cannon to make it more obvious who her alter-ego is.

This has been mentioned in writer interviews. She may well be adopted, and "Ivy Pepper" is not her real name.

Why is Mr. Freeze replaced by Fish Mooney? Because he is not ''GROUNDEDREALNOLAN''?

They're pretending he doesn't exist and that pisses me off. He's a major villain and has a great Shakespearean story ideal to explore in this kind of dark, gritty setting.

...

What?

They've said quite clearly they're going to bring Mr. Freeze in. What exactly do you mean "Why is Fish Mooney replacing Mr. Freeze"? Is she going around freezing people? Did I miss an episode?

Honestly, that would apply to the rest of your rant.

...what?

 

[The Guard]

I'll take anything Erin Richards has done on GOTHAM over the actress in THE DARK KNIGHT and her "YOU BROUGHT THIS ON US!" nonsense.

 

[Dark Raven]

The day has arrived where fanboy complaints have reached the point of being pissed off because a hot girl is cast.

Not me. I'll be complaining though if her legs aren't on display on a weekly basis from now on.

BTW, are we allowed to post screen caps from the episodes? I thought maybe I could post pics of those bare legged Barbara scenes if I can find them on YouTube or somewhere else.

Erin Richards is supposed to be engaged to this...

Not to this...

Yes, Heller and Co. have made Barbara a token sexpot lesbian who lounges around the apartment all day, but it's early days. Also, don't accuse Richards of being a bad actress when all she has is bad material.

This is one of the most unusual complaints I've heard in a while.

My mind wandered after reading that highlighted bit...

 

[Frodo]

Well, yeah, they're a broken-up couple and one of them has somebody new. Why wouldn't they be awkward meeting again?

Its awkward in the sense that the actors have zero chemistry . They don't click. Its clunky not because they were exes, but because they have no chemistry. If you want them to be believable, at the very least the actors have to have some spark even if its a negative energy. There are plenty of example of actors who play exes on TV and have chemistry, this show aint one of them imo.

Your point about the situation can be correct depending on the circumstances. In this case ,we've been led with the impression that Jim doesn't know about Barbara being bisexual. However, he may know already but just doesn't know she was with Montoya. Again ,the idea is interesting, the actresses are bad, but you'd be hard pressed to convince me the two actresses have chemistry together.

 

[Dark Raven]

When Jim finds out that Barbara is bisexual, do you think he'll mind? Or will he secretly be glad that she likes women too?

Also, I think that people's chemistry varies from day to day. When people go on dates and say there was no chemistry, well sometimes that can be true. But sometimes you have no chemistry with a person but then other times you do. It can be dependent on so many things (eg what is going on in your life, how comfortable you're feeling around them at the time or even how comfortable you're feeling about yourself etc). It's possible they had chemistry before but none now because of where they're at. It happens in real life even between people who were previously close.

 

[Orb]

There's apparently gonna be a Tommy Elliot Easter Egg coming up
http://ca.ign.com/videos/2014/10/12...y-hush-elliot-easter-egg-are-coming-nycc-2014

 

[michael1975]

So I watched the first two episodes last not. I was refusing at first cause I know Fox will eventually cancel the show. However curiosity got the better of me. So I thought I'd share my opinion for what it's worth.

I think they did an awesome job with Bruce Wayne. You can see the wheels spinning in his head but he still a kid and has no clear direction as it should be. I like that they didn't over use him. They kept the scenes with him limited but they where also powerful scenes. I can easily see the direction they are going to go with this character. I don't think we will see him training or any of the thing like that. The show seems to be shown through Gordon eyes then any of the other cast. So we won't get to see that side of Bruce Wayne to much. I think they will show hints here and there but no more. I could also later on as show enters it's final season see them introducing a masked vigilante that will be no more then Bruce Wayne slowly entering the final stages of becoming Batman.

I especially love the fact that the show is crime show. I like how they showed how bad the corruption is in the city and how corrupted the police are. I see them having fun with this with Gordon. Here a guy who wants to eliminate corruption but soon realize its not simple nor easy to do.

The one complaint was some Batman villains seem a bit out of place. Poison Ivy for example she felt out of place as did Enigma. I'm not saying that it made show bad just felt off beat. I think they shouldn't over use the Batman villains. Having a few pop in here and there or hints to some of there fates is great but keep the Batman villains down. Though I do want to see them bring in Zsasz. I think he would make for a great serial killer through the run of a season.

Overall I think the show is awesome. What makes this hard is that I have no faith in Fox. The have canceled way to many shows in the past. If the show can carry one past second season then I think it has a shot at a bright future. I found that Fox does most of its canceling of shows with in the first two seasons.

 

[Frodo]

When Jim finds out that Barbara is bisexual, do you think he'll mind? Or will he secretly be glad that she likes women too?

Also, I think that people's chemistry varies from day to day. When people go on dates and say there was no chemistry, well sometimes that can be true. But sometimes you have no chemistry with a person but then other times you do. It can be dependent on so many things (eg what is going on in your life, how comfortable you're feeling around them at the time or even how comfortable you're feeling about yourself etc). It's possible they had chemistry before but none now because of where they're at. It happens in real life even between people who were previously close.

Eh,I get what you're saying but ultimately either people have chemistry or they don't. Yeah its dependent on alot of things , but really, its either there or it isn't. Now chemistry is needed in order to hook up or even decide to be in a relationship but in TV and films chemistry between the actors makes scenes alot more interesting than non chemistry does. If you don't believe it watch Anakin and Padme in Star Wars, then watch Han and Leia in Star Wars and tell me chemistry doesn't make a difference . I've yet to see a situation in which actors without chemistry convince people that they are or were a couple aside from the fact they are supposed to be a couple. There's no real way around it.

The reason why they often have several different actors par of in screen tests and act against each is because they aren't just looking for acting ability, they're looking for whether or not the actors have chemistry and can play off of each other. Many times they'll go for the weaker actor because that actor has more chemistry with the other actor or actors than the thesp has.

And really, I don't care about what the dynamics were and are to the Montoya and Gordon relationship. Watching as a viewer , regardless of whatever backstory these characters are suppose to have, these actors don't have chemistry ,even as people who are bitter with each other. They don't play off each other well. It really depends on the actors they chose to par up. The storyline itself is not bad by any means but I think i'd be a stretch to argue that these actors together somehow have chemistry. If you say they're not suppose to have chemistry than I can certainly say they're doing good at having no chemistry ,but that'd be trying to turn a weakness into a strength.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well I think that Erin Richards was probably cast more for whether she had chemistry with Ben Mackenzie rather than Montoya.

On another note, Erin's American accent sounds fairly convincing.

 

[Robin91939]

I don't have many complaints about the show thus far.

The main ones would be:

- Fish Mooney. I don't out-and-out hate that they added a character who isn't in the cannon, but rather the way that Smith plays her. She plays her like a bad Eartha Kitt impression. I understand that she's probably drawing influence from her, because Eartha Kitt was probably her exposure to Batman as a child ... But that isn't the character. This isn't that era.

- The tone of the show. There are moments, more than moments, where the show absolutely nails the tone. But then it either tries too hard to be serious or it goes overboard on the levity. It needs to find its balance.

- The "This is Gotham" every two seconds. It seems that nearly every scene, someone is saying, "This is GOTHAM, Gordon." or "You can't do that in GOTHAM." etc. We get it. Gotham is corrupt. We know where we are, we tuned in to a show called Gotham! Show us how corrupt Gotham is. Don't constantly tell us.

- Sarah Essen. I am not going to get into the race-changing of the character of Gordon's future wife, but rather the age jump. It no longer seems believable for the two of them to get together. Ben McKenzie is 36, the actress playing Sarah Essen, Zabryna Guevara, is well over this -- or looks it. Her age isn't listed anywhere, so I can't confirm. I love Man Of Steel, but the age gap between Clark and Lois really is off -- same thing here.

The positives far out weigh these issues. Namely being:
- Robin Lord Taylor as Oswald Cobblepot.
- Sean Pertwee as Alfred Pennyworth
- David Mazous as Bruce Wayne
- Donal Logue as Harvey Bullock
- Production Values/Set design
- Atmosphere
- Music

Add the prospect of seeing Victor Zsasz, Leslie Tompkins, Tommy Elliot and the fleshing out of Edward Nygma.

-R

 

[Mindreaper21]

there's apparently gonna be a tommy elliot easter egg coming up
http://ca.ign.com/videos/2014/10/12...y-hush-elliot-easter-egg-are-coming-nycc-2014

yussss!!!

 

[Mr_336]

Seriously?!

http://deadline.com/2014/10/gotham-stunt-woman-blackface-warner-bros-848969/

 

[titansupes]

First two episodes just aired back-to-back last night.

That was ****ing excellent. As I said when the show was announced, it's a similar premise to Smallville, but has a much stonger base to work with. The point of Superman's childhood home is that it's a great place to live, but not that much happens there in the way of supevilliany, and none of his supporting cast can match those villains and really contribute in that way. But with Bruce, you've got him, Gordon and his cops, and many of the villains all in the same place already, and they're all on the same playing field. Plenty of interesting characters with goals who can play with each other.

The only thing I didn't like was Alfred being a prick (I understand why they did it, though, and look forward to him becoming a good father figure to Bruce) and the fact that Gordon is going to be so important to Bruce's (and Selina's and Ivy's and whoever's) childhoods (as well as Selina being so involved with Bruce). But the Gordon thing is a necessary component of the show, I suppose.

Also, a few people went to comic booky. Nygma was too much (I wish people would stop interpreting him as Joker-lite), too much comic book posing from Selina, which always bothers me in live-action. But these are small gripes, so far.

I'm very, very excited, since what I've saw of AoS was just embarrassing and I've never really had any inclination to try Arrow. I now get a weekly DC fix. Bring on Ep 3.

 

[EssayM]

Its awkward in the sense that the actors have zero chemistry . They don't click. Its clunky not because they were exes, but because they have no chemistry. If you want them to be believable, at the very least the actors have to have some spark even if its a negative energy. There are plenty of example of actors who play exes on TV and have chemistry, this show aint one of them imo.

Your point about the situation can be correct depending on the circumstances. In this case ,we've been led with the impression that Jim doesn't know about Barbara being bisexual. However, he may know already but just doesn't know she was with Montoya. Again ,the idea is interesting, the actresses are bad, but you'd be hard pressed to convince me the two actresses have chemistry together.

I get what your saying. I personally thought they were fine together. Admittedly I don't know what lesbian chemistry is supposed to look like, but I did believe that they legitimately cared for each other.

 

[titansupes]

I thought it suited the scene. They were awkward around each other because they had a relationship that ended badly. Barbara's deliberately stone-faced around her.

 

[EssayM]

On another note...

I would actually like to see more of Nygma. There's just something about how gleeful he gets when he's solved a puzzle and gets to taunt people with the answer...just the joy he takes in his work. Not only does it point to his future tendecies, it's also kind of endearing. I really would like him to become a regular at some point.

As for Fish Mooney, I find that she's actually kind of fun to watch once you get used to her. There's some camp, yes, but there's also some actual menace and intimidation under there. After what she did to Oswald, you really have to wonder what else she might be capable of. Plus, it is kind of fun watching her vamp it up all over the place. She's the fun kind of camp, at worst.

 

[titansupes]

^ I agree about Mooney.

On Nygma, I'm weary of writer's/actors interpreting as Joker-lite. I think there's another angle to explore there. Something darker, more neurotic.

 

[super85]

She's really not that bad. Some of you need to get out more. She's doing a fairly balanced job portraying a character who is basically just a walking ego. She's SUPPOSED to be the way she's acting. It's not like she's not getting direction. Fish is supposed to be very much full of herself, and very "regal" in her actions and mannerisms.

She's also not controlling Gotham. It's pretty obvious that Falcone, Fish and Maroni are controlling/attempting to control different parts of the city.

It's pretty obvious why this character exists. She's filling a role existing characters cannot fill for fairly obvious reasons.

She is quite horrible, and the most annoying part of a fairly well produced and entertaining tv-series. Its a annoying character, written in an annoying way, and it seems like the direction she is given also stupid. And the performance is cartoon. Oh, and I am writing this at a cafe , so I have left my apartment.

 

[Jason Kane]

Seriously?!

http://deadline.com/2014/10/gotham-stunt-woman-blackface-warner-bros-848969/

Wow....

Who the hell's idea was for the blackface stuntwoman plan?

 

[Rodrigo90]

I guess black stunt women are in pretty high demand these days.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm guessing she was going to double for Mooney. They probably said to themselves when they ditched the stunt woman that there's plenty more fish in the sea.

 

[batbax]

I'm guessing she was going to double for Mooney. They probably said to themselves when they ditched the stunt woman that there's plenty more fish in the sea.

Yes and we can only hope she was hired for a scene where fish tumbles to a horrible gruesome death with no hope for resurrection. If this is the case lets pray the scene is still a go.

 

[Rodrigo90]

What if Joker doesn't do what he did to this fish

What if he does it to Fish Mooney?!