The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 2

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[WildcatNC]

As long as we get some Hulk-Ku's, I'm set.

Why people want to chase Hulk?

Hulk no like Banner.

Hulk is the strongest there is!


Boom, first ! t:

 

[Gamma Burst]

Second!

 

[NickNitro]

HULK SMASH PUNY TIN MAN!!!!

I love the eye bulge

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

I'm sure at 5 or six, young Banner was not going around saying HULK SMASH, or PUNY HUMANS. Hulk is a little more than just Banner's repressed rage, he's also been described as Banner's "survival instinct externalized."

Hulk is not Banner´s survival instinct externalized.
But let´s go with...so, if a person has one survival instict, how can there be several Hulk incarnations?
Every one of the Hulks is one of Banner´s repressed emotions brought to "life" by the Gamma Bomb.

If Hulk was pure rage, how could he ever be calm, cry or feel love or any other emotion? All of which he has done in comics.

But that´s exactly the point, Hulk is the rage of a human being not rage as the general emotion.
Banner is still the main persona

 

[Gamma Ra]

Hulk is not Banner´s survival instinct externalized.
But let´s go with...so, if a person has one survival instict, how can there be several Hulk incarnations?
Every one of the Hulks is one of Banner´s repressed emotions brought to "life" by the Gamma Bomb.

Yes he is, it was stated in Incredible Hulk #310, which I just read 2 weeks ago, in PAD's run #367, as well as somewhere in Paul Jenkins run.

Let me ask you something...How can a comic book character that's a man, change into an 8 foot tall green monster? When you figure that out, you'll have the answer to your question.


The Hulks have been described as Banner's emotions to some degree, BUT the different incarnations have also been described as his splintered or fractured psychic apparatus. Banner = Super-ego, Gray Hulk/Joe Fixit = Ego and Savage Hulk = Id, read Incredible Hulk #393. But there is so much more to it when you actually read the comics. You'll see nuances added here and there.

Rage drives them, but they are so much more. Savage Hulk represents Bruces repressed rage from a young age, having seen his father kill his mother in an attempt to kill him, Bruce never reacted with emotion and became an introvert. Later on in his life, because Banner was an introvert, he repressed his sexual desires which manifested as the Gray Hulk. What seems to occur is, that whatever the repressed emotion may be, it sublimates to rage when Banner transforms into Hulk.

Reference TIH #312 & #377 and I'm not a fan of the Paul Jenkins' TIH run so I don't know his issues off hand.

But that´s exactly the point, Hulk is the rage of a human being not rage as the general emotion.
Banner is still the main persona

Read above.

The meek Banner is an incomplete man, the different Hulk's are a representation of the complete person only operating as separate minds...Banner suffers from DID.

 

[Herolee10]

Does anyone else feel like that this looks like a scene where Bruce Banner first arrives onto the Hell Carrier (or Conference Room for the Avengers) for the first time, and his arrival was kept as a secret to everyone else but Fury?

I mean given Tony's expression, I could buy that he's not very receptive of Bruce being there due to the liability that Banner is with his hulk persona.

 

[iGiFF]

Does anyone else feel like that this looks like a scene where Bruce Banner first arrives onto the Hell Carrier (or Conference Room for the Avengers) for the first time, and his arrival was kept as a secret to everyone else but Fury?

I mean given Tony's expression, I could buy that he's not very receptive of Bruce being there due to the liability that Banner is with his hulk persona.

Well theres no way to know if Tony's expression there is even the same scene with Banner as the trailer was just a bunch of clips edited together.

 

[Dark Raven]

Downey Jr has more of a Bill Bixby hairstyle going than Mark Ruffalo in those pics.

 

[psylockolussus]

He better get a new solo movie after the Avengers!

 

[Herolee10]

He better get a new solo movie after the Avengers!

That'll only happen if critics and the GA rave about Mark's performance as the Hulk/Bruce Banner and if the Hulk is well received in the film.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Does anyone else feel like that this looks like a scene where Bruce Banner first arrives onto the Hell Carrier (or Conference Room for the Avengers) for the first time, and his arrival was kept as a secret to everyone else but Fury?

I mean given Tony's expression, I could buy that he's not very receptive of Bruce being there due to the liability that Banner is with his hulk persona.

As some mentioned, we're not sure if they are even in the same scene at the time. In one clip Tony was wearing a suit on the Hellicarrier.

In the photo Banner seems to be explaining something or himself.

 

[WildcatNC]

That'll only happen if critics and the GA rave about Mark's performance as the Hulk/Bruce Banner and if the Hulk is well received in the film.

I think it will happen anyway, with IM coming to a close soon. Box office success or not, he is still one of Marvels most recognized characters, easily. I think they will feel that they can get it off the ground money wise now with the success of the others.

They will go to Hulk before they hit the B list like we want them to IMO.

 

[Herolee10]

Still curious on seeing on how they'll exactly film Mark portraying the Hulk. Just as long as it isn't anything like this, then we're good.lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euOFWwBw1NQ

 

[Venom'sDad]

I don't like the Ruffalo casting at all.

 

[Kirmit]

I think it will happen anyway, with IM coming to a close soon. Box office success or not, he is still one of Marvels most recognized characters, easily. I think they will feel that they can get it off the ground money wise now with the success of the others.

They will go to Hulk before they hit the B list like we want them to IMO.

To add to this, wouldn't it also be slightly cheaper as they'd already have a rendered hulk design?

 

[Vartha]

not sure why but every time I see that pic of Bruce, it reminds me of Engleburt Humperdink....

 

[jadejaws]

I'm just throwing this out there, but is anyone else disappointed with the lack of Hulk (in Avengers) information at SDCC? We got a grainy enlarged toy card pic, (which I can't seem to find a better version of anywhere) and a concept poster that cuts off at the top of his head. I'm a bit annoyed that we didn't see more.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Let me ask you something...How can a comic book character that's a man, change into an 8 foot tall green monster? When you figure that out, you'll have the answer to your question.

hmmmm....what??
Because it´s a comic book, because it´s an abstract exageration of reality?
Please tell me, don´t keep me in suspense

But a much better question for you.
Why is that Banner is the only gamma creature that changes into a monster?
There are some (Abomination for example) that change into a monster physically, but not intellectually, they still have their personality.
Why is that Banner is the only gamma creature that returns to human form?
Not counting with She-Hulk, as she got a blood transfusion from Banner.
Why is that the Savage Hulk is the only persona that grows in strenght the more he gets angry?
All of those are related....
Answer that...

The Hulks have been described as Banner's emotions to some degree, BUT the different incarnations have also been described as his splintered or fractured psychic apparatus. Banner = Super-ego, Gray Hulk/Joe Fixit = Ego and Savage Hulk = Id, read Incredible Hulk #393. But there is so much more to it when you actually read the comics. You'll see nuances added here and there.

Rage drives them, but they are so much more. Savage Hulk represents Bruces repressed rage from a young age, having seen his father kill his mother in an attempt to kill him, Bruce never reacted with emotion and became an introvert. Later on in his life, because Banner was an introvert, he repressed his sexual desires which manifested as the Gray Hulk. What seems to occur is, that whatever the repressed emotion may be, it sublimates to rage when Banner transforms into Hulk.

I don´t get your post, basically you agree with me...
All that you are describing are repressed emotions, which is exactly what i said
Savage Hulk = repressed rage and fear from when Banner was a kid
Gray Hulk = repressed sexual desires and independency from when he was a teen

All those are repressed emotions, so....i don't get your post...

The meek Banner is an incomplete man, the different Hulk's are a representation of the complete person only operating as separate minds...Banner suffers from DID.

Once again, you are agreeing with me
The diferent Hulk personas are emotions of the same person.
Yes, Banner suffers from DID, but it´s more complex than that.
If it was only DID, Banner would never change to diferent Hulk nor return to human form, he would change once (like all the others) and have those multiple personalities in the same body.

 

[Dark Raven]

I wonder why the childhoods of other gamma beings haven't been explored before, to see why they have certain repressed emotions. The Leader might have some superiority complex, or perhaps even an inferiority complex from feeling unintelligent. Not sure what repressed emotion Abomination has. She-Hulk seems to have a repressed sexuality and timidity, because now she's very confident, outgoing and maybe even slightly nympho.

 

[Kirmit]

To be honest I like Ang's interpretation where Hulk isn't just something created from Banner's feelings but rather a completely seperate character who shares the same body, born at the same time Banner was born and it just took the gamma to release him.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

To be honest I like Ang's interpretation where Hulk isn't just something created from Banner's feelings but rather a completely seperate character who shares the same body, born at the same time Banner was born and it just took the gamma to release him.

Dude, i´m sorry but it looks like you saw the diferent movie.

Ang Lee´s Hulk is a created from Banner´s repressed feelings more than any other movie/tv show representation.
The all movie is about Bruce vs Dad.

 

[Kirmit]

Dude, i´m sorry but it looks like you saw the diferent movie.

Ang Lee´s Hulk is a created from Banner´s repressed feelings more than any other movie/tv show representation.
The all movie is about Bruce vs Dad.

David Banner actually said what I described himself in the movie.

 

[Atomicchuck3k]

I hope the script writers go with the Banner controlled Hulk in the beginning and then have the Savage Hulk take over later (kinda like Ultimates).