The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 2

[LOBO3315a]

He might be thinking of Spider-Girl.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Spider-Woman isn't even remotely related to Spider-Man

You know that and I know that, but moviemaking execs and the general audience likely do not.

 

[Dark Raven]

You know that and I know that, but moviemaking execs and the general audience likely do not.

Couldn't the same have been said about the Avengers? The general audience might've thought "oh no, another remake of the Steed and Mrs Peel franchise!" The execs could've also thought that too and thought that it already failed once, so why give it another try? It's up to the marketing to show how it's not connected. People will catch on soon enough anyway, just like people figured out that Casino Royale was a Bond reboot with none of the "cheesy" trappings of the original movie series, or how "The Amazing Spider-Man" is a reboot of the original Spider-Man movie series.

In any event, even if execs and the general audience do initially associate Spider-Woman with Spider-Man, that's not such a bad thing and could even be a selling point. It can only help the marketing and even get people interested. It's not like Spider-Man is a failing franchise that no-one would want to be associated with. The only thing is that when they turn up to the movie they'll see it has nothing to do with Peter Parker, which is what they might've been expecting. As a movie in its own right though, it could kick ass.

She-Hulk would also soon show how different it is to a standard monster movie (which is what people often think of the Hulk). It could appeal to women, as it could be like a legal rom com with superheroes, which hasn't really been done before on the big screen. If someone other than Marvel produces something like this and it's a success, then Marvel would be kicking themselves for not trying, and they would seem like a rip off just like the Fantastic Four was with the Incredibles.

Legally Blonde was a hit. Why couldn't we now have Legally Green? Other movies have had "cheesier" premises and still been a success. The only "cheese" factor here which might not even be that, is that these are apparently female counterparts to a male hero.

 

[Atomicchuck3k]

The more I think about Lou Ferrigno doing the voice of the Incredible Hulk the more I worry this will be just the dumb Hulk. I hope Lou is able to come off as Banner controlled Hulk but at this point we have no idea which direction the director is going.

 

[Dark Raven]

The more I think about Lou Ferrigno doing the voice of the Incredible Hulk the more I worry this will be just the dumb Hulk. I hope Lou is able to come off as Banner controlled Hulk but at this point we have no idea which direction the director is going.

I'm not even sure he is still doing the voice. When he thought he was, that was long before production started. Has he said anything to that effect recently? If Ruffalo is going to be playing the Hulk himself and not just Banner, is he going to want someone else's voice performing the part? It won't be his performance then. It's not like the sound crew couldn't digitially alter Ruffalo to sound more monstrous and like a brute.

In The Incredible Hulk, Hulk only had a few lines, so it was okay for him to do the voice, and Norton wasn't really performing the part of the Hulk. It's different for this movie, especially if Hulk is a proper character who speaks. I can't see where Ferrigno will even fit in now.

 

[GhostPoet]

Agreed. The cheese factor with She-Hulk and Spider-Woman, in particular, would make adapting them for the big screen difficult if not impossible. It would be much better to bring in The Wasp and the Scarlet Witch (assuming that Marvel retains the rights to Wanda). Those two characters have a long history with The Avengers and can easily be worked into the team. Just get Ant-Man out from under Wright and integrate him and Jan into the Avengers' plots.

Actually, Spider-Woman would be a much darker film than most of the marvel films currently. Based on her character.

 

[Gamma Ra]

IMDb has Lou Ferrigno listed as the Hulk's voice.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/

I don't know why with today's technology, they could not find the perfect synthesized voice for the Hulk using Ruffalo's voice. Since he is acting out Hulk, why can't he speak for him too? Any actor should be thrilled to do such.

I really hope Banner does not have any real influence over the Hulk personality other than suggesting something to him. I still desire to see the Jekyll and Hyde conflict between Hulk and Banner on screen.

 

[Dark Raven]

Actually, Spider-Woman would be a much darker film than most of the marvel films currently. Based on her character.

Exactly. Marvel could actually get several different genre movies out of Spider-Woman if they did a trilogy: a supernatural horror movie, a private detective thriller and a spy thriller, each charting her development as she has become more accustomed to the modern world. I personally always liked the early Spider-Woman comics with the supernatural aspect, but Marvel could always combine that with the private detective genre. I see that this could be quite similar in tone to the "Angel" tv series and would give Marvel a chance to capitalize on that current craze. In fact, because of that craze (ie Twilight, True Blood etc), her original tone would probably be far more successful now than it was in the 70s.

 

[Xeno]

Did you even read my post above yours where I've described how Spider-Woman isn't even remotely related to Spider-Man and how she ties in very well with the established Marvel movie universe. She has a long history with SHIELD and Hydra and can easily be integrated into the Avengers later on.

It looks like you've just latched onto the post you've quoted and assumed she is just the female counterpart of Spidey. There is no cheese factor in her origin and story. It's more in your mind.

I knew about Spider-Woman's origin because I read it back when she first appeared. However, I don't think that the GA will know or care to learn that her origin is separate from Spider-Man. The name alone will be a hurdle that is all but impossible for any movie to surmount.


And the fact remains that Marvel created Spider-Woman and She-Hulk to prevent rival companies from making female ripoffs of their iconic male characters. Marvel wanted to trademark the names so that no one else ever could. The fact that somewhat popular characters were the result was coincidental to the original purpose for which they were created. Comics fans have had 30 years to become familiar with the characters and accept their dodgy names. I somehow doubt that the GA will be able to see past the cheesy titles accept them as headliners in their own movies. I seriously doubt that Marvel will even consider using them in films anyway.


Just my opinion, of course.

 

[Silvermoth]

IMDb has Lou Ferrigno listed as the Hulk's voice.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/

I don't know why with today's technology, they could not find the perfect synthesized voice for the Hulk using Ruffalo's voice. Since he is acting out Hulk, why can't he speak for him too? Any actor should be thrilled to do such.

I really hope Banner does not have any real influence over the Hulk personality other than suggesting something to him. I still desire to see the Jekyll and Hyde conflict between Hulk and Banner on screen.

imdb is highly unreliable.

 

[Boom]

I need The Hulk in my life now.

 

[Herolee10]

What I'm hoping to see is for the Hulk and Bruce Banner Personas to actually collide and meet face to face within their minds at some point in the film.

 

[Dark Raven]

What I'm hoping to see is for the Hulk and Bruce Banner Personas to actually collide and meet face to face within their minds at some point in the film.

They could have a sequence like in the episode "Married" from The Incredible Hulk tv series where Banner is learning to control the beast, and imagines he is meeting the Hulk in the desert who manages to break out of his cage etc and give chase to him (although the Hulk was extremely slow in those sequences and anyone could outrun him).

 

[wobbly]

IMDb has Lou Ferrigno listed as the Hulk's voice.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0848228/

I don't know why with today's technology, they could not find the perfect synthesized voice for the Hulk using Ruffalo's voice. Since he is acting out Hulk, why can't he speak for him too? Any actor should be thrilled to do such.

I really hope Banner does not have any real influence over the Hulk personality other than suggesting something to him. I still desire to see the Jekyll and Hyde conflict between Hulk and Banner on screen.

It's imdb so don't assume its true.
Personally, I hope it isn't. Ferrigno had his time as the Hulk, and that's been half the problem with the live action films since. Time to move on from ties to the old series.

 

[Gamma Ra]

imdb is highly unreliable.

It's imdb so don't assume its true.
Personally, I hope it isn't. Ferrigno had his time as the Hulk, and that's been half the problem with the live action films since. Time to move on from ties to the old series.

I see a lot of people discredit imdb, but I haven't seen them make anymore mistakes than other media information sources.

And I agree that it's time to cut ties with the old television show as far as Hulk is concerned. It's time for some freshness and tapping into the untapped comic book as the source for live action show and movies..

 

[Lantern Venom]

The more I think about Lou Ferrigno doing the voice of the Incredible Hulk the more I worry this will be just the dumb Hulk. I hope Lou is able to come off as Banner controlled Hulk but at this point we have no idea which direction the director is going.

Indeed, it really worries me that we might see a blockbuster version of '96-'97 animated series where Hulk points at the other Avengers and says,"Friend?" over and over. If that happens, I'm going to pull a Hulk-out of my own in the theatre.

 

[Atomicchuck3k]

Indeed, it really worries me that we might see a blockbuster version of '96-'97 animated series where Hulk points at the other Avengers and says,"Friend?" over and over. If that happens, I'm going to pull a Hulk-out of my own in the theatre.

Agreed

 

[Silvermoth]

I see a lot of people discredit imdb, but I haven't seen them make anymore mistakes than other media information sources.

You weren't around for the 'Kevin Pennington as every Marvel character' faze on imdb?

 

[Obi-Ron]

Indeed, it really worries me that we might see a blockbuster version of '96-'97 animated series where Hulk points at the other Avengers and says,"Friend?" over and over. If that happens, I'm going to pull a Hulk-out of my own in the theatre.

My worry is that they will just make him the Infraggable Krunk

[YT]O4Kehf8jNSY[/YT]

 

[Norm3]

David Banner was completely insane, his various rants not based on anything but his own craziness.

So for me Ang's Hulk was little different in character from the Tv show version: The Hulk reduced to being Banner 'under the influence' rather than having any personality of his own.

TIH was also too similar in that regard, but at least they got him talking out loud for a couple of lines.

Hopefully Avengers will be the first live action effort to actually take a look at the books and give the big green guy his own personality. Seems utterly daft to me that such a fundamental aspect of the character has continued to escape the script writers notice. I mean they don't have Spider-Man, Superman or Batman go all mute when the put on their costumes, so why they hell do they keep doing that for the Hulk?

The Writers & Directors feel the moving going public can't buy into a talking Hulk. So they copy the TV show. Which wasn't the real Hulk IMO. I hate the way they've turn the movie Hulk into a Gorilla. I was shocked they let the Abomination speak in TIH.

 

[Gamma Ra]

You weren't around for the 'Kevin Pennington as every Marvel character' faze on imdb?

I've been around here longer than my registration date suggests, but no I don't remember that. Sounds interesting though.

The Writers & Directors feel the moving going public can't buy into a talking Hulk. So they copy the TV show. Which wasn't the real Hulk IMO. I hate the way they've turn the movie Hulk into a Gorilla. I was shocked they let the Abomination speak in TIH.

It was really ridiculous that they followed the lead of the television show at all to begin with, IMO.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

David Banner was completely insane, his various rants not based on anything but his own craziness.

So for me Ang's Hulk was little different in character from the Tv show version: The Hulk reduced to being Banner 'under the influence' rather than having any personality of his own.

TIH was also too similar in that regard, but at least they got him talking out loud for a couple of lines.

Hopefully Avengers will be the first live action effort to actually take a look at the books and give the big green guy his own personality. Seems utterly daft to me that such a fundamental aspect of the character has continued to escape the script writers notice. I mean they don't have Spider-Man, Superman or Batman go all mute when the put on their costumes, so why they hell do they keep doing that for the Hulk?

Yes they do... hopefully that won't happen in TASM

 

[wobbly]

Yes they do... hopefully that won't happen in TASM

No, they don't. Spider-Man has talked with his mask on in all his films so far.

 

[Dark Raven]

I've been around here longer than my registration date suggests, but no I don't remember that. Sounds interesting though.

The Kevin Pennington rumour has only been flying around in the last year or so.

 

[tnr105]

I'd be happy if they went the way of the Avengers cartoon and have Banner be to the Hulk as Professor Stein is to Firestorm, guiding him and being the little voice in his head.