The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 3

[Herolee10]

I never really wanted Hulk to be the "villain" in this film anways, he's basically been portrayed as a rampaging monster in both of his films so it's about time he's shown in a more heroic light.

Agreed;

You know, given on how they keep saying that they wanted a more fresh approach with Mark's version of "The Hulk", and have his characterization match Bill Bixby's more than the our last two, it makes me wonder if the events of TIH from how they were shown when Norton was playing the role will be treated as loose continuity to the MCU going into the Avengers as how S:TM was for SR and BR and Batman was for BF.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I still think they'll keep the continuity, but it seems they're molding Banner even more so in this than he's been in his past few films.

 

[Norm3]

I think Ruff looks more like Banner than any other actor to play the role.

 

[Herolee10]

When I really think about it; it kind of make sense to have Bruce Banner portrayed as someone who’s actively trying to help out people instead of constantly trying to find a means to cure himself of the Hulk disease given the fact that the Hulk is scheduled to be portrayed as a heroic figure, far more than he was in the last two films in the Avengers. Whereas in TIH, the Hulk was portrayed as more of a liability at first and wasn’t shown in a complete heroic light till his confrontation with the Abomination.

On a side note; anyone else find the irony in the idea that if Fury assigned Widow to specifically watch over Banner, let alone if rumors/theories are true that they develop something for each other, that it’s somewhat counterproductive if they’re trying to suppress the Hulk at first considering that as far as we’ve seen, Banner can’t get too “excited” otherwise he’ll turn into the Hulk, and if you’ve seen BW, you’ll find that getting excited is something that most men would find hard NOT TO DO when seeing her. =P

 

[BigThor]

I still think they'll keep the continuity, but it seems they're molding Banner even more so in this than he's been in his past few films.

Yeah, I think this is going to be the case as well.

I think Ruff looks more like Banner than any other actor to play the role.

Imo Edward Norton looked more like Banner than any other actor, he has the same hairstyle and slim face that Bruce Banner is usually depicted with.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

yeah, Ed's resemblance to Banner is almost uncanny.

 

[Weadazoid]

yup.... mainly because he is so very skinny


Ruff is more along the lines of Bixby which I can be cool with.. WHen I heard LL was going to pay homage to the TV sereis I was genuinly nervous

See the route they went I was very pleased

 

[jrd550]

As much as I hate the idea of hulk being recast three times I do think Mark will give us the best Bruce Banner (and Hulk) yet...

 

[Surfer]

Intersting Interview over on Yahoo Movies. At first I was concerned that they were suggesting they might be dismissing the previous Incredible Hulk film, but they appear to be just saying that the direction the character is taking is changing from trying to cure himself to trying to help people with his powers. I suppose this makes sense and fits in better with the idea of him eventually joining with the Avengers as well. Link for interview below higlighting that part of the interview.

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/hulk-gets-fresh-start-avengers-003500379.html

Or for the full interview go here.

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/interview-joss-whedon-assembles-avengers-003451761.html

Enjoy!

Surfer

 

[Surfer]

Now I see this interview was posted yesterday. Sorry, I feel embarrassed. Lol

Surfer

 

[kedrell]

What kinda worries me about that interview(and all Hulk news from this movie so far) is that they simply haven't come out and said they're going to make Hulk a full character this time. Now maybe they will(and I hope they do) but I have yet to hear those words come out of anyone's mouth(or read them in text). In that interview they talk about what held the other two films back and it seems the conclusion they came to was that Banner spent too much time with his own problems and not helping others 'ala Bixby's version in the 1970's. In other words: THEY THINK GETTING BANNER WRONG WAS WHY THOSE FILMS DIDN"T WORK!!!

No! If anything, he's the 1/2 of the equation you keep getting right. They kept getting Hulk wrong. That was the problem.

 

[kedrell]

On a side note, glad to get confirmation that Ruffalo is using the Avatar technology to bring Hulk to life. If big blue cat people can be characters then maybe the Hulk can as well.

 

[Venom'sDad]

2. We do know that Fury does want to recruit Banner for his expertise in Gamma Radiation and that supposedly, SHIELD did have a cage build for the Hulk a while back that was intended for him, but for whatever reasons, they stopped actively pursuing the Hulk as a immediate threat. I think it was also mentioned in the NY Con Clip that Black Widow told Bruce that SHIELD was actually secretly protecting him from other "parties" on trying to capture him and such.

3. It was said in the EW article that the Hulk will have one moment where his anger gets out of hand that results in the Avengers having to physically confront him, but that's as far as I see it going since I don't see the Hulk being portrayed in the morally gray area in this film.

I wonder if that happens when Widow tries to recruit Banner. I would hate for that to happen in the middle of the film i would prefer it happen right in the first 45 minutes of the movie

I never really wanted Hulk to be the "villain" in this film anways, he's basically been portrayed as a rampaging monster in both of his films so it's about time he's shown in a more heroic light.

If this film, still a loose continuation to the previous solo films, TIH in particularly… Hulk, in the very beginning is being sought after. I don’t see Hulk as being an initial villain; simply an entity that has to be brought in peacefully or by force, to help against a perceive threat. Fury/BW want to enlist Banner/Hulk help; but with Banner/Hulk being suspicious of all agency entities, will not come in peacefully.
　
I think the team first mission together is probably to bring Banner/Hulk in; and I think is the opening scene battle, after discovering Banner’s location. Hawkeye, probably use a sedative tip arrow to bring Hulk down, BW informs Banner of the entire situation, reason for the team coming after him, and enlist his help.
　
After having to wrestle with Hulk, is probably the reason the team is very reluctant in Having Banner as part of the team. Other than Thor, no one has ever seen, first hand, anything like Hulk….in it was probably scary.

 

[Herolee10]

If this film, still a loose continuation to the previous solo films, TIH in particularly… Hulk, in the very beginning is being sought after. I don’t see Hulk as being an initial villain; simply an entity that has to be brought in peacefully or by force, to help against a perceive threat. Fury/BW want to enlist Banner/Hulk help; but with Banner/Hulk being suspicious of all agency entities, will not come in peacefully.
　
I think the team first mission together is probably to bring Banner/Hulk in; and I think is the opening scene battle, after discovering Banner’s location. Hawkeye, probably use a sedative tip arrow to bring Hulk down, BW informs Banner of the entire situation, reason for the team coming after him, and enlist his help.
　
After having to wrestle with Hulk, is probably the reason the team is very reluctant in Having Banner as part of the team. Other than Thor, no one has ever seen, first hand, anything like Hulk….in it was probably scary.

I think the NY Con's footage of Bruce and BW somewhat negates the possibility of the team's first mission being in bringing Bruce/Hulk into SHIELD since the footage shows Natasha being the only one out of the main group to have gone to see Bruce and that Bruce ends up agreeing peacefully with her to come on board to study the cube.

 

[Weadazoid]

Banner may not be too happy about the infantry sent into esscort him though... Face it he doesn't love the military..... even if they are told to stand down....


I get the sense of great tension in that sequence.


It will be interesting to see how it all plays out

 

[Boom]

Anybody see the character bio for Banner on the official website, where Hulk is described as "uncontrollable?"

 

[torch1980]

Its so important to humanize the Hulk by showing he can speak and he is not just a mindless mute brute. Marvel seems to be so afraid of that and I think that has to do with the TV Show. They think they need to connect to the TV show & I disagree.

I agree and sadly the studios always make it an effort to make it very obvious they want a "tv show" hulk/banner in the movies, TOTALLY forgetting that the hulk was popular before the show and there would be no show without the comics...

They are pandering to 30% of an audience instead of 70%

Its why we keep seeing boards and topics about making the hulk "a bodybuilder" and a "bill bixby" like banner

I mentioned this in www.imdb.com TIH board about why I think a hulk franchise by itself will not be successful because of the TIH tv show fans expecting to see a "green bodybuilding" and a "David Banner" that reminds them of bill bixby

Even though I love the show I am a comic book fan first and foremost and I want to see THAT hulk on the screen

 

[cherokeesam]

What kinda worries me about that interview(and all Hulk news from this movie so far) is that they simply haven't come out and said they're going to make Hulk a full character this time. Now maybe they will(and I hope they do) but I have yet to hear those words come out of anyone's mouth(or read them in text). In that interview they talk about what held the other two films back and it seems the conclusion they came to was that Banner spent too much time with his own problems and not helping others 'ala Bixby's version in the 1970's. In other words: THEY THINK GETTING BANNER WRONG WAS WHY THOSE FILMS DIDN"T WORK!!!

No! If anything, he's the 1/2 of the equation you keep getting right. They kept getting Hulk wrong. That was the problem.

Amen.
I'm still not buying this "kinder, gentler" Banner. If anything, I hope the character split goes to opposite extremes --- if they're turning Banner into more of a nonaggressive, non-confrontational Bill Bixby/Carl Sagan type, I hope to hell they're sending Hulk himself down the *opposite* path, and making him leaner, meaner, ragier and louder (as in, having LOTS to say this go-round).

 

[Superhero 101]

Anybody see the character bio for Banner on the official website, where Hulk is described as "uncontrollable?"

But wasn't he controllable at the end of TIH

 

[Herolee10]

Well Mark said that the Hulk's character will have to learn through the film on how to be a "team player", so I would assume that this further indicates that the Hulk will be given better intelligence as a character than he has been in recent years.

 

[Venom'sDad]

What kinda worries me about that interview(and all Hulk news from this movie so far) is that they simply haven't come out and said they're going to make Hulk a full character this time. Now maybe they will(and I hope they do) but I have yet to hear those words come out of anyone's mouth(or read them in text). In that interview they talk about what held the other two films back and it seems the conclusion they came to was that Banner spent too much time with his own problems and not helping others 'ala Bixby's version in the 1970's. In other words: THEY THINK GETTING BANNER WRONG WAS WHY THOSE FILMS DIDN"T WORK!!!

No! If anything, he's the 1/2 of the equation you keep getting right. They kept getting Hulk wrong. That was the problem.

Kedrell, I agree with everything you said, except the highlighted. Also have the same sentiments about trying to re-created the Bill Bixby persona. They have gotton Hulk wrong as far as his intelligence and persona....at times he is wise-cracking, which shows his wit as well.

BUT.....Banner is quick temper and can be difficult at times to work with and talk to. That aspect I have yet to see in any incarnation of Hulk, outside of the comics. Ang Lee's Banner probably came the closes, and that's not saying much. IMO, they have not gotten that right as well. Banner is a caring guy; but, he has an attitude as well. It's that attitude that manifest itself into Hulk.

He is not a Jekyll/Hyde character. Jekyll is a nice, well mannered, considerate guy, who get engulf with his work. Jekyll/Hyde was two characters on the complete opposite end of the spectrum. Banner is already a pill to deal with from the get go. Banner is stubbornly engulf in his work.

 

[kedrell]

Well Mark said that the Hulk's character will have to learn through the film on how to be a "team player", so I would assume that this further indicates that the Hulk will be given better intelligence as a character than he has been in recent years.

One can only hope. But dammit, how hard is it to assuage fan's concerns by just coming out and saying,"Yes, Hulk will be portrayed as a full character this time".

BTW we really could use a shoulder shrug smiley --->

 

[kedrell]

Kedrell, I agree with everything you said, except the highlighted. Also have the same sentiments about trying to re-created the Bill Bixby persona. They have gotton Hulk wrong as far as his intelligence and persona....at times he is wise-cracking, which shows his wit as well.

BUT.....Banner is quick temper and can be difficult at times to work with and talk to. That aspect I have yet to see in any incarnation of Hulk, outside of the comics. Ang Lee's Banner probably came the closes, and that's not saying much. IMO, they have not gotten that right as well. Banner is a caring guy; but, he has an attitude as well. It's that attitude that manifest itself into Hulk.

He is not a Jekyll/Hyde character. Jekyll is a nice, well mannered, considerate guy, who get engulf with his work. Jekyll/Hyde was two characters on the complete opposite end of the spectrum. Banner is already a pill to deal with from the get go. Banner is stubbornly engulf in his work.

Yeah, that's why I covered my bases by adding the "if anything" caveat in front of it. And I largely agree with you. Banner's a fairly emotionally closed off fellow. He can easily come across as a cold pickle much of the time.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well Mark said that the Hulk's character will have to learn through the film on how to be a "team player", so I would assume that this further indicates that the Hulk will be given better intelligence as a character than he has been in recent years.

I expect thios as well, though, I had absoloutely NO problem with Hulk's intelligence in the past films.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Kedrell, I agree with everything you said, except the highlighted. Also have the same sentiments about trying to re-created the Bill Bixby persona. They have gotton Hulk wrong as far as his intelligence and persona....at times he is wise-cracking, which shows his wit as well.

BUT.....Banner is quick temper and can be difficult at times to work with and talk to. That aspect I have yet to see in any incarnation of Hulk, outside of the comics. Ang Lee's Banner probably came the closes, and that's not saying much. IMO, they have not gotten that right as well. Banner is a caring guy; but, he has an attitude as well. It's that attitude that manifest itself into Hulk.

He is not a Jekyll/Hyde character. Jekyll is a nice, well mannered, considerate guy, who get engulf with his work. Jekyll/Hyde was two characters on the complete opposite end of the spectrum. Banner is already a pill to deal with from the get go. Banner is stubbornly engulf in his work.

When I read this I instantly thought of the NyCC scene that was shown where Banner exclaimed "STOP LYING TO ME!!!" when widow confronted him.