The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 3

[Norm3]

So your evidence is the first issues of a comic from 1962(if Im wrong about your reference correct me). Keep in mind that a lot has changed since then. Hell while not outright stated but, the more gamma energy pumped into the Hulk will actually effect his mass/size/appearance. Not just a month ago the Hulk absorbed a beep ton of energy and got giant. WWH is not the same size as Hulk on normal occasions. Now growing 20 feet tall is pushing it but the hulks anger(since it boosts his gamma energy) does effect his form.

Lets Just say they decide to give The Hulk a third arm. Just because it's the newer version of the Hulk is that the one you want on-screen. Newer isn't always better.

 

[kedrell]

So your evidence is the first issues of a comic from 1962(if Im wrong about your reference correct me). Keep in mind that a lot has changed since then. Hell while not outright stated but, the more gamma energy pumped into the Hulk will actually effect his mass/size/appearance. Not just a month ago the Hulk absorbed a beep ton of energy and got giant. WWH is not the same size as Hulk on normal occasions. Now growing 20 feet tall is pushing it but the hulks anger(since it boosts his gamma energy) does effect his form.

Well as I have always understood it Hulk's form has always been more an aspect of his subconscious psychological state than anything else. So a different Hulk personality(Joe Fixit, Savage Hulk, Professor, etc.) all manifest themselves physically but with their own unique look(even while essentially being the same person). Some differences(physically) are more pronounced than others depending on the incarnation. But they never stray very far from the basic model.

 

[kedrell]

Not 'never.'

I think that's a dream sequence or something to that effect and thus isn't Hulk manifesting himself as that big in reality. Dream or mental state/plane stuff isn't what we're talking about.

 

[El Payaso]

I think that's a dream sequence or something to that effect and thus isn't Hulk manifesting himself as that big in reality. Dream or mental state/plane stuff isn't what we're talking about.

Well it is not a dream sequence.

 

[Norm3]

Well it is not a dream sequence.

Then that artist is really exaggerating the Hulk size. What issue & number is that from?

This is one of my fav Hulk covers featuring the Avengers.

 

[wobbly]

Well it is not a dream sequence.

If there's no in story explanation for his huge size then its just poorly drawn.

 

[wobbly]

Well as I have always understood it Hulk's form has always been more an aspect of his subconscious psychological state than anything else. So a different Hulk personality(Joe Fixit, Savage Hulk, Professor, etc.) all manifest themselves physically but with their own unique look(even while essentially being the same person). Some differences(physically) are more pronounced than others depending on the incarnation. But they never stray very far from the basic model.

Exactly right.
Different Hulk persona's have differences in appearance, but never has the Hulk gotten bigger as he got angrier. That idea was an invention from Ang Lee's effort, and one best never used again.

 

[Gamma_Powered_God]

I don't think we'll ever see Ang's 15+ foot version of the Hulk again. The new Avengers figure is supposed to be to scale, so it looks like he will be around 7 feet tall in the movie and new ABC series.

 

[BigThor]

Kevin Feige said he's gonna be around the same size or a little smaller than he was in TIH, which was 9 feet tall.

 

[Gamma_Powered_God]

Kevin Feige said he's gonna be around the same size or a little smaller than he was in TIH, which was 9 feet tall.

So he'll be tetween 8-9 feet, that still works. I think he'll look awesome from what we've seen. I'm more interested in how much ass he kicks when they finally unleash him.

 

[Quasimod0]

TIH size is perfect

 

[WildcatNC]

TIH size is perfect

I agree.

 

[BigThor]

TIH size is perfect

I agree.

I agree as well

 

[El Payaso]

Then that artist is really exaggerating the Hulk size. What issue & number is that from?

It's Hulk: Split Decisions by Bruce Jones and Mike Deodato (drawings). But it's not a dream or imaginary sequence. And if he's exaggerating... he's exaggerating... according to what exactly.

If there's no in story explanation for his huge size then its just poorly drawn.

Poorly drawn = not what you like? Because from what I know, Deodato is anything but a poor illustrator.



I only ask, don't say never if it's not never.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I think 9' is perfect. The Hulk was always meant to be just a bit larger then normal humans. When he was first written 7' was relatively gigantic. Today it is not whereas 9' is. He should not be looking up at non powerred humans.

 

[Lantern Venom]

TIH size is perfect

Height wise, yes. 9' is good, but TIH version was leaner than he should have been. The Avengers version, based on the little I've seen, looks bulkier. I like that idea.

 

[Hoblin]

It's Hulk: Split Decisions by Bruce Jones and Mike Deodato (drawings). But it's not a dream or imaginary sequence. And if he's exaggerating... he's exaggerating... according to what exactly.

Poorly drawn = not what you like? Because from what I know, Deodato is anything but a poor illustrator.

I only ask, don't say never if it's not never.

Bruce Jones's run was horrible. One of the worst in Hulk history (some say THE worst). One of the reasons it's considered horrible is because they Hulk WAS portrayed way, way, way out of character, including this ridiculous size. That's why he was hurried off the book and Peter David took over and immediately retconned Jones's entire run. It never happened, it's not cannon.

It's funny that you say that it wasn't a dream sequence, because in effect it was. The whole run was said to be an illusion caused by Nightmare.

 

[wobbly]

Poorly drawn = not what you like? Because from what I know, Deodato is anything but a poor illustrator.

I only ask, don't say never if it's not never.

It's not a case of what I like, it's a case of what is right: If the story gives a reason for the Hulk to be over 20 feet tall, then I have no problem with an artist drawing him that big. If the story does not have that reason then the artist (or writer if they are telling the artist to draw him that big) should know better.

Bottom line: If any artist strays dramatically from the characters model for no reason offered by the story then I don't care how good they may be usually, they have drawn the character poorly for that instance.

 

[Hoblin]

It's not a case of what I like, it's a case of what is right: If the story gives a reason for the Hulk to be over 20 feet tall, then I have no problem with an artist drawing him that big. If the story does not have that reason then the artist (or writer if they are telling the artist to draw him that big) should know better.

Bottom line: If any artist strays dramatically from the characters model for no reason offered by the story then I don't care how good they may be usually, they have drawn the character poorly for that instance.

Agreed. Thank God it was retconned away as per my previous post.

It was a bad time to be a Hulk fan during that entire run.

 

[El Payaso]

Bruce Jones's run was horrible. One of the worst in Hulk history (some say THE worst).

Some say it's good:

http://www.amazon.com/Incredible-Hulk-Vol-Split-Decisions/dp/0785112383

http://www.amazon.com/Incredible-Hu...iewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending


But that's far from the point: Hulk ahs been depicted as that big. Not even saying it's a great idea or anything. But it did happen.

One of the reasons it's considered horrible is because they Hulk WAS portrayed way, way, way out of character, including this ridiculous size. That's why he was hurried off the book and Peter David took over and immediately retconned Jones's entire run. It never happened, it's not cannon.

Heh. Nothing in comics ever happened you see. And rertcons are a usual thing. Superman's origin has been told many times. That's not evidence of the original one being bad.

It's funny that you say that it wasn't a dream sequence, because in effect it was. The whole run was said to be an illusion caused by Nightmare.

Yeah, retcons. But the point remains: Hulk has been depicted as that big. That's a fact. You liking it or not doesn't change it.

Anyways, many aspects of Bruce Jones' run survived to the movie called The Incredible Hulk.

It's not a case of what I like, it's a case of what is right: If the story gives a reason for the Hulk to be over 20 feet tall, then I have no problem with an artist drawing him that big. If the story does not have that reason then the artist (or writer if they are telling the artist to draw him that big) should know better.

The story of Ang Lee said that the bigger the damage is the more the nanomeds will act. Nanomeds are explained to be triggered by damage. In Banner's case, emotional damage (which can be manifested physically, as Betty says). So the story does explain why. You don't have to like it though.

Bottom line: If any artist strays dramatically from the characters model for no reason offered by the story then I don't care how good they may be usually, they have drawn the character poorly for that instance.

The drawings of Deodato are anything but poor. You don't happen to like it and that's fine though.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I think that one of the biggest problems Hulk has had on the big screen is the reliance on CGI to realize the Hulk as of yet. CGI can be hard to make convincing as it is, let alone convince the audience that they're really looking at a over-muscled green giant.

 

[Norm3]

I agree as well

I totally disagree. The Hulk is not Giant-Man, King Kong or Mighty Joe Young. I'm sure if H. Pym show up he'll be 50 ft tall.

 

[Kirmit]

I totally disagree. The Hulk is not Giant-Man, King Kong or Mighty Joe Young. I'm sure if H. Pym show up he'll be 50 ft tall.

Being 9ft tall hardly puts him inline with those other characters.

 

[kedrell]

I think 9' is perfect. The Hulk was always meant to be just a bit larger then normal humans. When he was first written 7' was relatively gigantic. Today it is not whereas 9' is. He should not be looking up at non powerred humans.

7ft tall is still relatively gigantic, especially when you factor in his literaly superhuman girth. And to me that's enough. The further you stray from this ideal then the less of a relatable person Hulk seems. And he IS a person not just a mere monster.

 

[ArtTeacher]

But that's far from the point: Hulk ahs been depicted as that big. Not even saying it's a great idea or anything. But it did happen.

There has never been text in a 616 Marvel comic that has listed his usual existing height being that big. Handbooks, interviews, etc. have listed him as 7-feet tall for the majority of his creation. When other heights have been stated, they haven't been anywhere as large as Ang's top height or the height that he appears to be in the Deodato art.

I only ask, don't say never if it's not never.

The Hulk has never been stated in comics to grow larger in stature in proportion to his anger. Ang Lee showed us something that was never shown in the comics. He gave the Hulk a power he never had in the comics.

Heh. Nothing in comics ever happened you see.

So I guess he never was as tall as you claimed in those scans, then.

The drawings of Deodato are anything but poor. You don't happen to like it and that's fine though.

The drawing may not be poor...but it's a poor depiction of the Hulk's in-continuity height. It's not an accurate drawing; it's not congruent to the official statistics that Marvel was listing the Hulk being at the time. It would be like someone doing a really good drawing of Mickey Mouse with three arms.