The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 3

[Herolee10]

Well for the Hulk to be presented as an individual capable of learning on how to function on a team, he's going to have to be presented as more intelligent than he has been thus far.

And from everything that I've read and heard, that seems to be the case. From the fact that he's been referred to as a different entity from Banner, and not just a beefed up and emptied minded version of Banner, along with how Mark has said that the Hulk will learn on how to adapt his style of combating to work on a team...to personally saving someone that isn't Betty for once by catching Iron Man from falling to the ground.

 

[Gamma_Powered_God]

I think that The Hulk will be presented pretty much the same way he is in the current Avengers cartoon. He's a good guy, marches to his own beat for sure, but still a part of the team, has a personality all his own, seperate from Banner. I see him being a mix of Savage Hulk and Joe Fixit.

 

[BigThor]

"Hulk believe that Puny Horn-Hat Man take out familial aggression in inappropriate manner!"

Hilarious

Exactly. It makes the Hulk look way too easily defeated. I've said this before, the general audience (i.e., the majority of the people that see the film) aren't going to delineate the fine differences between steel and vibranium-tipped (or even Adamantium) arrows, all they're going to see is that a bow & arrow just took out the incredible Hulk. For years, you'll hear things like, "Who cares if he can lift a tank, all I need is my cousin's crossbow and I can take down the Hulk," or "Geez, if an arrow can do that to him, imagine what a shotgun or tank-fire can do to him!"

If I have to watch an arrow stop the Hulk, I would much rather it be a gas pellet that breaks on contact than something actually piercing his skin.

I agree

I don't think the gas pellet should incapacitate the Hulk by itself though, I think it should help slow him down at the most.

 

[Herolee10]

Curious, for those who are well familiar with the Hulk's character from the comics, what is it that makes the Hulk a good person (in the versions that he's presented as good)?

Is it due to Banner's influence on him? Or is the goodness that he exhibits entirely from him? If the latter is the case, it does make me wonder as to why, in a good way, a character who's hunted down constantly and feared upon by many, would still choose to be good when he can be and not just be someone who hurts people due to being shun out by society. It's definitely a interesting character to explore indeed.

 

[bored]

It really depends on the writer. Recently, there's been an emphasis on the idea of the Hulk in itself as a good character, if an easily frustrated one.

 

[Gamma_Powered_God]

Although I consider Hulk and Banner 2 seperate people, I think there has always been a residual amount of Banner's morality and sense of good that stays within the Hulk's subconcious. This however does not include Ultimate Hulk, who murdered almost 900 people- eating more than a few of them.

 

[Herolee10]

It really depends on the writer. Recently, there's been an emphasis on the idea of the Hulk in itself as a good character, if an easily frustrated one.

Although I consider Hulk and Banner 2 seperate people, I think there has always been a residual amount of Banner's morality and sense of good that stays within the Hulk's subconcious. This however does not include Ultimate Hulk, who murdered almost 900 people- eating more than a few of them.

Interesting. Thanks for the info guys.

Man, I'm still so relieved that we're not getting the evil murdering Ultimate Hulk interpretation in this series.

Up until the villain was confirmed along with a few more plot details awhile back, I was so worried that they were going to go with the Hulk being mind controlled throughout most of the Avengers film in order to combat against them.

I'm so glad that this won't be the case and that the Hulk will be allowed to be portrayed in a more positive/heroic light.

 

[Hordakfan]

Should be awesome to see my third fave Marvel hero on the big screen once more since he is part of the team.

Isn't it cool that Lou Ferrigno is the voice of the Hulk? afterall Marvel sees his voice as awesome for the role of the character he played in the 1977 to 1982 live-action show.

 

[Gamma_Powered_God]

To this day I'm still surprised the direction the went with Ultimate Hulk. No matter how many people he saved or how much good he did after the fact, Ultimate Hulk will always be a mass murderer.

 

[bored]

Well, Mark Millar's whole idea with the Ultimates was to strip away what made them more traditional heroes, focus on what real people would be like if they were in those roles. So the Hulk became rampaging Id, a contrast to an even more nebbish than usual Bruce Banner.

 

[Gamma_Powered_God]

It was a very bold, fascinating take on the character, and Banner dealing with the moral ramifications of what he had caused in the New York rampage.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

could it be this scene where loki is on the back of that truck we've seen in the trailer? could be the hulk throwing the car at him....

Hmmm, it's possible. Good eye!

 

[bored]

Between Loki on that truck, and Jane Foster constantly running him over, is it any wonder Thor smashes that car in that one .gif?

 

[uberhulk]

Does anyone know how many movies Ruffalo is signed on for? I hope to god they got him for at least 3....I can't take another recast.

Also I was just rewatching Incredible Hulk....maybe Hawkeyes arrows will have some of the "cure" Banner and Sterns made? That way it won't seem like pretty much anyone with some knock out gas can take down Hulk.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Exactly. It makes the Hulk look way too easily defeated. I've said this before, the general audience (i.e., the majority of the people that see the film) aren't going to delineate the fine differences between steel and vibranium-tipped (or even Adamantium) arrows, all they're going to see is that a bow & arrow just took out the incredible Hulk. For years, you'll hear things like, "Who cares if he can lift a tank, all I need is my cousin's crossbow and I can take down the Hulk," or "Geez, if an arrow can do that to him, imagine what a shotgun or tank-fire can do to him!"

If I have to watch an arrow stop the Hulk, I would much rather it be a gas pellet that breaks on contact than something actually piercing his skin.



Exactly! Thank you!

No problems, its going to look really stupid in relation to the other movies, Hulk can survive a helicopter crashing on top of him, being thrown through several buildings, etc, but cant survive an arrow? I dont care if Superman fired the arrow, it shouldnt pierce his skin and shouldnt have any effect.

I was looking through a list of upcoming Avengers merchandise (http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/co...-movie-action-figures-go-sale-127-227-release) and noticed this:

"AVENGERS SUPER SMASH HULK AF CS
Hulk Smash! This electronic 10" figure replica of the Strongest Avenger, The Incredible Hulk! Squeeze his legs to activate the punching and smashing features. With actual sounds and phrases from the epic film Avengers, this will be a must have for the kid and kid at heart, capturing the imagination of fans of all ages. On shelf 2/27. Online pre-sell begins 1/27."

Phrases. So, hopefully they're 1) worth repeating and 2) evident enough that everyone will remember them in the film (as a lot of people never realized that the Hulk said, "Leave me alone" in The Incredible Hulk since it was so low in the sound mix).

t: The part I bolded and underlined had me smiling a lot, I love the way they refer to him as "The strongest Avenger!" Absolutely love it.

 

[ArtTeacher]

t: The part I bolded and underlined had me smiling a lot, I love the way they refer to him as "The strongest Avenger!" Absolutely love it.

Hee hee...me, too!

 

[HULKFish]

^Well if that happens once again I will be dissapointed, no arrow, no matter what it does, should be able to stop The Hulk, especially in full rampage mode, this has been thing that they are doing that has really dissapointed me thusfar.

As long as they put plenty of thought into it should be good. Releasing gas makes more sense then piercing his skin.

I hope he has a personality, and the fact that Mark is acting out HULK, that should give a hint at that...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hee hee...me, too!

Ha ha its great, means Thor will have to pull out something different than his strength to beat him if they do fight, same with Loki.

As long as they put plenty of thought into it should be good. Releasing gas makes more sense then piercing his skin.

I hope he has a personality, and the fact that Mark is acting out HULK, that should give a hint at that...

I just dont personally see any way how this could be a good thing, gas didnt effect him in the previous movies never mind the comics, so even if they use that I will be sorely dissapointed, if the arrows pierce his skin, consider me pissed off.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

t: The part I bolded and underlined had me smiling a lot, I love the way they refer to him as "The strongest Avenger!" Absolutely love it.

Agreed, lol.

 

[BigThor]

Ha ha its great, means Thor will have to pull out something different than his strength to beat him if they do fight, same with Loki.

Well as we can see in his fight with the Destroyer movie Thor is a bit more tactical than his comic book counterpart (who would rather slug it out).

So I'm think he's going to use the other abilities at his disposal and Loki hardly even uses his strength anyways, I'm sure he's going to be teleporting and firing energy attacks like no tomorrow.

With that being said Hulk being the physically "strongest Avengers" is the way it should be, I agree with that even as a Thor fan.

 

[samsnee]

Well, this confirms that Ang Lee doesn't get the Hulk character at all.

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/11/ang-lee-wanted-tree-of-life.html

At last night's Gotham Awards, Ang Lee confessed to Vulture that he still needs to catch up on this year's movies, but he just watched Terrence Malick's metaphysical epic The Tree of Life. "Most of it blew me away," he said, although he confessed to a little bit of professional envy over the film's trippy special effects interlude connecting the main story, set in the 1950s, with the birth of the universe. "I had those thoughts in The Hulk, about the macro, micro stuff," said Lee, referring to his experimental 2003 comic book flick. "There are some locations [in Tree of Life] I even scouted before, so I see a lot of the elements I was thinking about in The Hulk. Some I put in, some I didn't. The non-drama part of Tree of Life was stuff I was thinking about when I was doing The Hulk. So I've been there. That's why that part didn't take my breath away, because I'd been thinking about similar things. I like to be surprised."

 

[kedrell]

ToL is one movie this year I knew to steer well clear of.

 

[samsnee]

Terence Malick films don't do anything for me. I know there's supposed to be a deeper meaning in his films, but his execution is so slow that it overshadows the message. There is a time and place for that sort of filmmaking, but a Hulk movie is definitely not one of them.

It does make you appreciate what Branagh did with Thor. He brought elements of a Shakespeare film but didn't lose sight of the character.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

It does make you appreciate what Branagh did with Thor. He brought elements of a Shakespeare film but didn't lose sight of the character.

And that helped make it one of the best CBM films ever, IMO. The S-M trilogy is still the best, IMO but Thor ranks high on the list.

 

[Gamma_Powered_God]

Ang Lee's Hulk- " Hulk like to smash puny humans, but Hulk not know why. Is Hulk smashing puny humans, or is Hulk really smashing Hulk? { cut to close up of tree bark and moss} " That's the way I see that movie, overly dramatic and way off from the source. There were a few fun parts visualy, but Ang Lee had no buisness ever directing that movie.