The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 9

[terry78]

I think that first transformation was kind of the mindless Hulk thing due to Banner's inability to control him in the movie. The second where he had control he knew friend from foe, but still sucker punched Thor, partly because he knew he could take it and partly because he still had a grudge, teammate or not. I like how he basically waited to punch him after they were done with smashing the alien horde.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Brazilian left green after Hulk paint fails to wash off

Wow, sucks to be him.

Well, he's about as smart as the Hulk too, apparently, so there you go.

 

[Dark Raven]

That should've been a hot amazonian woman who painted herself like that.

 

[Golgo-13]

I preferred it how it was in TIH TV series. Banner was always afraid that the Hulk might seriously injure or kill someone. However, that never happened, because as it was explained in the pilot, the Hulk won't kill because David Banner won't kill. Equally, that's why the evil Hulk in "The First" would kill, because Del Frye would.

Banner always showed remorse if he thought the Hulk had killed someone and tried to pay for any damage. I don't really like that he's ready to kill in the movies, especially people like Black Widow or the pilot.

I loved this aspect of the tv show Hulk. The Hulk actually cried in a few eps when he thought he had killed someone. One ep comes to mind when he Hulks out after being attacked by a few dogs when he runs to aid a woman he hears screaming in a mansion. I think the woman was already dead when he got there, and Hulk cried.

 

[El Payaso]

I loved this aspect of the tv show Hulk. The Hulk actually cried in a few eps when he thought he had killed someone. One ep comes to mind when he Hulks out after being attacked by a few dogs when he runs to aid a woman he hears screaming in a mansion. I think the woman was already dead when he got there, and Hulk cried.

That episode in which Banner cries was "The Psychic" and has him about to commit suicide because the Hulk was reported to have killed a teenager. When another character (the psychic, played by Bill Bixby's wife) tells him "suicide is not the answer" he replies, "this is not suicide, this is an execution."

Sure, he knows the Hulk doesn't have a killer instinct, but he also knows the Hulk can't be controlled. He can easily tore a wall down and someone could be injuried by accident.

I can see why today this kind of gold material is not suitable if you want to sell a billion dollars in tickets. Just don't make me feel happy that everything has to be shoehorned into a action-packed big-budget sitcom.

 

[Dark Raven]

I loved this aspect of the tv show Hulk. The Hulk actually cried in a few eps when he thought he had killed someone. One ep comes to mind when he Hulks out after being attacked by a few dogs when he runs to aid a woman he hears screaming in a mansion. I think the woman was already dead when he got there, and Hulk cried.

There was also that classic episode in Season 3 where Banner tried to commit suicide, not because he was the Hulk, but because he thought he had killed an innocent boy. It was the same episode where his then-wife Brenda Benet guest starred as a psychic. She told him that suicide is not the answer, and he responded that it isn't suicide but an execution.

He also said that the real tragedy is not that he's the monster but the man he's become.

And yet, he completely abandoned this plan when he found out that someone was in danger, and he put others first before his own needs.

EDIT: Hey El Payaso, we were writing at the same time!

But I think the Hulk himself (rather than Banner) does cry in Of Models and Murder (or was it Of Guilt and Murder) (the one with the dogs)?

 

[Golgo-13]

Yeah, Of Models and Murder is the one where Hulk cries.

 

[Dark Raven]

Actually, did the Hulk cry in that episode because he thought he had killed her, or because he couldn't get there in time to save her?

I have to say that Hulk's makeup looked a lot better in the TV series than in those TV movies later on. The TV movies had ugly make up, and by that I mean applied in an ugly and unflattering way (his wig looked almost orange). Even at his most beastly in TIH pilot, Hulk's make up still looked much better and more realistic.

 

[Gamma Ra]

What do you guys think about Amanda Peet (40) for the role of Betty then?

IMO she would make a great Betty and she already did a movie with Mark where she played his wife. and they had great chemistry. She could make a great Red She-Hulk if they took that route. She's actually my first choice for Bruce's cousin Jen Walters the original She-Hulk.

You know I think one of the saddest scenes in Hulk comic history is from the mini series "Hulk-Gray" where Hulk, newly just "born" comes across a rabbit and accidentally kills it while trying to pet it, Hulk's reaction was a perfect mixture of guilt,sadness and anger.

I don't think anything was sadder than when Hulk's wife Caiera died in his arms...he paused for a while...then yelled to the heavens to "give her back."

I preferred it how it was in TIH TV series. Banner was always afraid that the Hulk might seriously injure or kill someone. However, that never happened, because as it was explained in the pilot, the Hulk won't kill because David Banner won't kill. Equally, that's why the evil Hulk in "The First" would kill, because Del Frye would.

This should always be the fear too IMO. Hulk should appear that threat but he should also know the limit as well. Hulk shouldn't just kill everything he fights as that was never his M.O.

Banner always showed remorse if he thought the Hulk had killed someone and tried to pay for any damage. I don't really like that he's ready to kill in the movies, especially people like Black Widow or the pilot.

Hulk at times should appear dangerous but we need to get the impression that most the time it's a bluff.

This is why I constantly state we need writers like Peter David, Greg Pak, Len Wein and now Jeff Parker, that have proven they "get" or understand the Hulk in all his dynamics, as the brain trusts for Hulk in Live action movies and shows.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

For She-Hulk, if a big screen version ever happens, they should use forced perspective instead of CG. . Im drawing a blank on the actress who should play Jennifer Walters. Thats a toughie.

Not that I'm clamoring for a cinematic She-Hulk. Seems Marvel has bigger fish to fry.

We dont need an army of comic book writers who "get" the Hulk. We have a Whedon. The big screen Hulk is distinct from the (many) comic book versions, and thats a very good thing. The idea that the Hulk never mortally harms anyone, that he actually calculates his rampages to avoid hurting bystanders (according to Amadeus Cho), is a silly comic book conceit that would be illogical and completely neuter him in a "real world" setting.

Ill stick with the Whedon/Avengers/Ruffalo version thank you. I like Greg Pak and all, but my guess is Marvel Studios already has enough would be screenwriters giving their notes on this stuff. They finally got the Hulk right, so thats what we have going forward. Thank God.

Love me some Amanda Peet btw. Its the eyes and the "eyes".

 

[Dark Raven]

For She-Hulk, if a big screen version ever happens, they should use forced perspective instead of CG. That is all. Im drawing a blank on the actress who should play Jennifer
Walters. Thats a toughie.

Not that I'm clamoring for a cinematic She-Hulk. Seems Marvel has bigger fish to fry.

Why forced perspective when they can use Movie Reshape? With Movie Reshape it isn't a CGI/ motion capture character but the actual actress with her proportions enhanced by CGI.

 

[terry78]

Basically the way they did the dwarves in LOTR, Snow White and Benjamin Button and Captain America, only green and with a chick.

 

[Golgo-13]

Actually, did the Hulk cry in that episode because he thought he had killed her, or because he couldn't get there in time to save her?

I have to say that Hulk's makeup looked a lot better in the TV series than in those TV movies later on. The TV movies had ugly make up, and by that I mean applied in an ugly and unflattering way (his wig looked almost orange). Even at his most beastly in TIH pilot, Hulk's make up still looked much better and more realistic.

I think he cried simply because she died.

Yeah the tv movie make-up was horrible.Those movies were horrible in general, and i kind of dis-regard them. First they didn't play that eerie tune when he transforms (it was a cheap watered down version of the original - dunno what that was about), then in just about every Hulk scene, Ferrigno had on green shoes (as if we weren't supposed to notice 'em).

To add insult to injury, the way hulk dies. He fell from a plane...? He fell from a plane in an ep of the tv show when his parachute didn't work, and landed while still in Banner form (his most vunerable state), or one could argue, in mid transformation, and still survived.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think he cried simply because she died.

Yeah the tv movie make-up was horrible.Those movies were horrible in general, and i kind of dis-regard them. First they didn't play that eerie tune when he transforms (it was a cheap watered down version of the original - dunno what that was about), then in just about every Hulk scene, Ferrigno had on green shoes (as if we weren't supposed to notice 'em).

To add insult to injury, the way hulk dies. He fell from a plane...? He fell from a plane in an ep of the tv show when his parachute didn't work, and landed while still in Banner form (his most vunerable state), or one could argue, in mid transformation, and still survived.

Yes, his death was dumb and not a good way to end the series. I would've preferred the idea once suggested by Kenneth Johnson where Banner is on trial for the murder of Elaina Marks and finally confronts McGee, and maybe gets cured. It seems a slap in the face to have him die when we've been following him all this time to see how he's going to get cured and rooting for him (even though it would get rid of the Hulk).

And Hulk and Thor couldn't even hold down that helicopter, when in the TV series he was able to do similar or greater feats.

What I want to see is Avengers Hulk and movie Thor up against TV Hulk and TV Thor. t:

I suspect though that even movie Spider-Man could whip both TV Hulk's and TV Thor's asses.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I don't think anything was sadder than when Hulk's wife Caiera died in his arms...he paused for a while...then yelled to the heavens to "give her back."

That was a fairly poignant moment, but I think I'd rate Betty's death higher...Bruce's immediate reaction and his multiple suicide attempts. Wow, PAD really knows how to hit his readers in the gut.



But in terms of love interests Caiera>Betty

 

[Golgo-13]

I found it very interesting that nobody knew a bullet wouldn't put down Banner, hence why Black Widow pulled a gun on him in the cabin, and he seemed un-phased by it. Fury and her were also ready to shoot him during the lab argument scene, until he told them about the suicide attempt. Is Banner now unable to be killed....?

 

[craigdbfan]

I found it very interesting that nobody knew a bullet wouldn't put down Banner, hence why Black Widow pulled a gun on him in the cabin, and he seemed un-phased by it. Fury and her were also ready to shoot him during the lab argument scene, until he told them about the suicide attempt. Is Banner now unable to be killed....?

Sure seems like it. Hulk pretty much acts as a self defense mechanism in times of imminent danger towards Bruce.

 

[Obi-Ron]

But in terms of love interests Caiera>Betty

Jarella > both of them

 

[Gamma Ra]

That was a fairly poignant moment, but I think I'd rate Betty's death higher...Bruce's immediate reaction and his multiple suicide attempts. Wow, PAD really knows how to hit his readers in the gut.



But in terms of love interests Caiera>Betty

Betty's death was definitely a sad moment in Hulk lore, and Peter David did an excellent job showing Bruce and Hulk's pain, Bruce more so. With Caiera and that story, we saw an angry Hulk; who was mad as hell at his "friends" who unfairly exiled him; become loved, not just by his pregnant wife, but all the people he helped save; lose it all...in a flash. For me that impacted me more. Hulk grew in character and was finally happy and it was taken from him.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I found it very interesting that nobody knew a bullet wouldn't put down Banner, hence why Black Widow pulled a gun on him in the cabin, and he seemed un-phased by it. Fury and her were also ready to shoot him during the lab argument scene, until he told them about the suicide attempt. Is Banner now unable to be killed....?

well, Banner has been on the run since he first became the Hulk in the TIH movie and no one has really studied him, so S.H.I.E.L.D. knowledge is limited and at best speculated.

Even in the comic books, Banner has been killed only to be revived by being bombarded with gamma radiation or turning into Hulk. There was a cool scene in a Peter David story where Banner is surrounded by soldiers who unloaded all their ammunition on him at point blank range and he Hulked out without a scratch.

Jarella > both of them

Jarella death was as sad as Caiera and more so than Betty's IMO. Maybe because they love both Hulk and Bruce unconditionally.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Betty's death was definitely a sad moment in Hulk lore, and Peter David did an excellent job showing Bruce and Hulk's pain, Bruce more so. With Caiera and that story, we saw an angry Hulk; who was mad as hell at his "friends" who unfairly exiled him; become loved, not just by his pregnant wife, but all the people he helped save; lose it all...in a flash. For me that impacted me more. Hulk grew in character and was finally happy and it was taken from him.

You make a great point. I'm also reminded of that great scene at the end of the Skaar series where she tearfully told him that she understood the human's fear of Hulk.

Wow I miss Caiera, and Jarella....actually now that I think of it I kind of hate Betty in comparison.

 

[Gamma Ra]

You make a great point. I'm also reminded of that great scene at the end of the Skaar series where she tearfully told him that she understood the human's fear of Hulk.

Wow I miss Caiera, and Jarella....actually now that I think of it I kind of hate Betty in comparison.

I hope you caught TIH Chaos War stories. Jarella was back from the dead and you could see that Hulk really loved her and she Hulk. She inspired him in the story, even Banner's mother liked her for "Bruce", however she did not care so much Red She-Hulk-Betty like so many of our mothers do for our choices in women..LOL!!! It was great stuff.

 

[Dark Raven]

Isn't Betty alive now anyway as Red She-Hulk?

I don't think red is as flattering a colour as green. Green She-Hulk looks sexier. Red is just a bit too vibrant. Kenneth Johnson wanted to make the Hulk red originally thoughin the TV series, but Stan Lee nixed that idea.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Isn't Betty alive now anyway as Red She-Hulk?

I don't think red is as flattering a colour as green. Green She-Hulk looks sexier. Red is just a bit too vibrant. Kenneth Johnson wanted to make the Hulk red originally thoughin the TV series, but Stan Lee nixed that idea.

Yeah Betty was revived and transfromed into Red She-Hulk by the Leader and M.O.D.O.K. who together found a way to reanimate the dead and have been doing it to many characters unbeknownst to anyone outside the Intelligencia, for years.

The dark crimson looking red does not look bad on Red Hulk or Red She-Hulk IMO.

I'm glad Stan and Marvel put their foot down with Kenneth Johnson changing Hulk's color to red for the old television show. I just wish Stan would have put his foot down about Hulk speaking and maybe today's Hulk movie franchise wouldn't be in this mess.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I hope you caught TIH Chaos War stories. Jarella was back from the dead and you could see that Hulk really loved her and she Hulk. She inspired him in the story, even Banner's mother liked her for "Bruce", however she did not care so much Red She-Hulk-Betty like so many of our mothers do for our choices in women..LOL!!! It was great stuff.

I loved that story!

It was brilliant how they showed that Hulk's love for Jarella was stronger than his anger and hatred towards his father. That was Pak's best non Planet Hulk/WWH story in my opinion, it was great seeing Blonsky back too.