Age of Ultron The Official Scarlet Witch Thread - Part 2

[hoy-small-fry]

I like that explanation. It stops the MCU having unexplained magic powers. Although saying that, here comes AoS introducing Inhumans

 

[Wildcard]

What's wrong with unexplained magical powers in the MCU? Not everything needs a super-pseudo scientific explanation behind it. That's the reason most of us love the comics so much in the first place...they ain't always going for complete & total "realism."

 

[BoredGuy]

Yeah I was really hoping for a "less is more" explanation of their powers

just say the staff activated that empty brain slot from IM3 and leave it at that
no "he manipulates the the space in front of him, condensing it, allowing him to appear to move faster" and no "she manipulates the neurons in the brain and gravitational forces"

not everything has to be based on some vaguely Einstein-ian theory

 

[TheVision]

Yep the MCU is based on the comic books, so its kinda gonna have magic/ mystical characters in it. Was there some confusion about that?

Also the worst thing they can do in movies is try to scientifically explain how someones powers work. Your better off keeping it very comic book and just giving basic info. It ruins it when they turn the movie into a science class.

People in the movie theater dont care about the in-depth scientific info on how Spider Man can climb walls and swing around. He gets bitten by a radioactive spider, gets super powers. Thats all we need to know.

Hence Science FICTION

 

[Ghostcrow13]

You guys are acting as if there is going to be some detailed explanation in the movie, it's part of a 'fun' fact list.

Also Stark always tries to explain magic through science, it wouldn't seem right if he was just like 'oh she can control minds, fair enough' an inventor/scientist does that mind set not make.

 

[TheVision]

That reminds me of when they explained how Loki was gonna use the Tesseract to keep the portal open for a long time. What are we gonna do? goto a library right after and check the facts on it? No. Again, people dont care. Once you have ALIENS FROM OUTER SPACE realism is sorta off the table. Science Fiction needs to be loosely based on science, it doesnt have to be 100% realistic. People should know that already I think.

 

[BoredGuy]

Stark also didn't bother explaining either Thor or Loki's powers
he makes a jab at it in AoU with the hammer scene, but he still accepted their powers without too much thought

and I'm not making any assumptions, just hoping in the movie they don't bother going into exposition about how their powers work, leave it on the "fun fact" list and don't mention it again

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Stark also didn't bother explaining either Thor or Loki's powers
he makes a jab at it in AoU with the hammer scene, but he still accepted their powers without too much thought

and I'm not making any assumptions, just hoping in the movie they don't bother going into exposition about how their powers work, leave it on the "fun fact" list and don't mention it again

He was a consultant for the Avengers Initiative after IM2, so we might assume he studied them and at least thought of ways Thors powers might work off screen, and if he didn't well there isn't exactly a lot of time for any investigation in Avengers, he meets them, fights them, tries to find out where the tesseract is then Hawkeye attacks, then Battle of New York, then end.

In this one there may or may not be more time for Stark to try and answer for there powers.

Plus again assuming they are going to go into a lot of detail as to how there powers work based on one line from a fun fact list is reaching a bit.

 

[TheVision]

The whys of how their powers work is almost better to keep a mystery. It adds to the characters mythic quality

 

[hoy-small-fry]

For me, as a non-comic guy, one of the things that gravitated me towards the MCU was not having nonsense like Superman to deal with. It explains away things like Cap's super strength with pseudo-science. For that reason, the Inhumans concerns me, because I feel like what brought me in will disappear

 

[Ghostcrow13]

The Inhumans are pseudo-science though, just Kree science.

Personally I don't care, if they wanna explain the powers or not, I'm not a fan of trying to science up Dr Strange, because whilst some stuff can be explained some of the other stuff won't be, which would lead to more questions.

 

[BoredGuy]

yeah well they're already saying Strange deals with Quantum Physics and String Theory and Parallel dimensions and s***

so it seems all the magic is gone

 

[TheVision]

I think it will be a thing where they try to explain it as close to real science as they can but its still fictional super powers/magic because its not possible in reality.

 

[Loki882]

I'm fine with it. The comics cannot even decide what her powers are. And the explanation in the movie isn't that hard to follow. People really do underestimate the audience intelligence sometimes. And even if it is, the audience probably won't really care about the mechanics of it. They'll be too busy enjoying the movie.

 

[TheVision]

Really what it comes down to is: Does it make enough sense/is it interesting to the story/character?

Imagine if they went into the actual science behind Captain America's super soldier process? They inject him with blue stuff and subject him to Vita Rays. DONE. Next!

Tony creates an arc reactor out of metal and a light thingy. Now he can fly. Done. Next!

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Yep, and adding that, let's face it, throwaway grounding is what makes the MCU special. Everything has a... "real" quality to it

 

[Smashlilman]

For me, as a non-comic guy, one of the things that gravitated me towards the MCU was not having nonsense like Superman to deal with. It explains away things like Cap's super strength with pseudo-science. For that reason, the Inhumans concerns me, because I feel like what brought me in will disappear

Superman powers use the same fake science that Cap uses. Vision and Superman will most likely use the same power source. lol

yeah well they're already saying Strange deals with Quantum Physics and String Theory and Parallel dimensions and s***

so it seems all the magic is gone

With Marvel comic Magic and Advance Sciences has all ways been merged. God can be Aliens and Aliens can be Gods. That what made Marvel unique from other comics. With the classic marvel comics especially the Kirby comics have always been about blurring the line. The only Problem with the MCU so far is dumb down the Supernatural element of the Thor franchise to not put off the GA. You can have scientific explanation for what magic does without knowing how the magic accomplish it.

 

[terry78]

The sun isn't real.

 

[Mike5575]

Obsessing over a scientific explanation for everything is part of the reason why Thor: TDW sucked. Watching Thor needing the help of Jane Foster and super-science tripods to beat up Malekith was just sad. Nobody cares what Jane Foster has to say about spacial intrusions, or whatever. Can I please just see Thor hit something with his hammer?

As far as the Scarlet a Witch, her powers are supposed to evolve. That's kind of similar in the comics. She didn't always have chaos magic, for example. In an earlier interview, Elizaveth Olsen said she had powers such as being able to communicate with the dead and tell you where an object has been just by touching it.

 

[Wine-N-Cheese]

I'm fine with it. The comics cannot even decide what her powers are. And the explanation in the movie isn't that hard to follow. People really do underestimate the audience intelligence sometimes. And even if it is, the audience probably won't really care about the mechanics of it. They'll be too busy enjoying the movie.

What I'm saying is, the overcomplication of her powers is a big part of why there are so many different interpretations of her powers.

The problem is not so much that it's "hard to follow", it's that it's unnecessary, and sometimes, even limiting. I also find that having everything more "grounded" makes the unavoidable unrealistic elements seem more ridiculous. I start noticing them more, and it takes me right out of the story. Mostly, it's just annoying, though, like people who say "utilize" when "use" is perfectly adequate.

yeah well they're already saying Strange deals with Quantum Physics and String Theory and Parallel dimensions and s***

so it seems all the magic is gone

Really? Boo! I was looking forward to finally getting straight up magic in the MCU. One of the downsides of the shared universe concept, I guess.

 

[ernesth100]

Where was this Magic is Science bullcrap stated in the first place?

 

[NightWatcher]

 

[NightWatcher]

 

[ernesth100]

That's just heartwarming.

 

[Iceman]

Very cute. This dynamic will add a lot to the team I think. Great new shots of them too.