The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 10

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Well, unless this is just his public answer, I guess we might just need to give up...it just blows my mind that despite all the plans they might have beyond Infinity War and its sequel, that they don't feel the urgency to want Doom/Galactus/Kang etc to add into the mythos cause they really don't have any mega hitters lined up after Thanos...this breaks my heart...the dreams of seeing Latveria fully realized with a comic book accurate Doom continue to be shot down and destroyed....:csad::csad:

The only thing I'm giving up is that we'll get an announcement today.

I still don't think Fox will make another FF film, so Marvel will get the rights in a few years one way or the other.

And I hope fans continue to ask so at least Feige knows how much we want it.
 
https://www.newsarama.com/34899-no-fantastic-four-in-the-mcu-says-feige.html

"[We have] no plans with the Fantastic Four right now," Feige told AlloCiné in a Facebook video. "No discussions about it."

That's the waiting game. I think Marvel is probably looking at it like this: "If we get them back, that's great. If they decide to do another movie, we'll explore our options, but we've got plenty of characters to keep up busy for the next 10 years." Smaller deals seem to be what Marvel is looking at right now. It's probably good business, but I'd like them to take more initiative and make a move for FF.
 
I have been assuming that the FF would be introduced as part of the All-New, All-Different MCU after the 2019 Avengers film, but the "no plans" and "no discussions" comments are much more disheartening than a simple "no comment". I can't begin to understand the logic in handing over additional rights to the X-Men character family to FOX without insisting on early reversion of the FF rights. But I guess that's why they get paid the big bucks.
 
I have been assuming that the FF would be introduced as part of the All-New, All-Different MCU after the 2019 Avengers film, but the "no plans" and "no discussions" comments are much more disheartening than a simple "no comment". I can't begin to understand the logic in handing over additional rights to the X-Men character family to FOX without insisting on early reversion of the FF rights. But I guess that's why they get paid the big bucks.



Yeah I am with you on the "no plans" and "no discussions" part...I don't care that they have plenty of other plans, smaller or not, but are you telling me that having The F4, Doom, Galactus, and Kang wouldn't be enough to knock several of their already planned agenda items off the table? It's mind boggling...and if Fox is truly going to screw us again and throw something together again to hold on to the rights, then I say we throw our hands up in the air and yell I GIVE UP!!!
 
Yeah I am with you on the "no plans" and "no discussions" part...I don't care that they have plenty of other plans, smaller or not, but are you telling me that having The F4, Doom, Galactus, and Kang wouldn't be enough to knock several of their already planned agenda items off the table? It's mind boggling...and if Fox is truly going to screw us again and throw something together again to hold on to the rights, then I say we throw our hands up in the air and yell I GIVE UP!!!

Its doubtful that FOX will attempt another F4 rights grab movie. Remember, FOX cut Fant4stic's budget and it STILL bombed hard.

And I kinda don't blame Feige or Marvel Studios for pursuing the F4 just yet. The stench of Fant4stic is still in the air, and it'll be a while for the general public to remove the smell. As it is, this is the waiting game for the Fantastic Four to inevitably return to Marvel.
 
Its doubtful that FOX will attempt another F4 rights grab movie. Remember, FOX cut Fant4stic's budget and it STILL bombed hard.

And I kinda don't blame Feige or Marvel Studios for pursuing the F4 just yet. The stench of Fant4stic is still in the air, and it'll be a while for the general public to remove the smell. As it is, this is the waiting game for the Fantastic Four to inevitably return to Marvel.

It sort of hit me that it might be possible to do a sort of hybrid/FF movie by doing a Doom origin. I just thought of it and haven't really processed it, but why couldn't you take the villain (esp one as interesting as Doom) and make the movie from his perspective. The problem I see is that it could marginalize the FF, but if they were still major players, maybe not???? I could see 2 movies coming out of this. The second from the perspective of the FF after firmly establishing Doom's character in the first.
 
It sort of hit me that it might be possible to do a sort of hybrid/FF movie by doing a Doom origin. I just thought of it and haven't really processed it, but why couldn't you take the villain (esp one as interesting as Doom) and make the movie from his perspective. The problem I see is that it could marginalize the FF, but if they were still major players, maybe not???? I could see 2 movies coming out of this. The second from the perspective of the FF after firmly establishing Doom's character in the first.

I think this is very unlikely for several reasons:

1. If Fox can't figure out how to make a good FF film, they certainly can't figure out how to make a Doom film.

2. Fox has already made Doom look like an idiot in three different films, so he's just as damaged as FF.

3. Suicide Squad didn't do well which will make Fox execs very reluctant to make an anti-hero film.


I think Silver Surfer is much more likely than Doom, but then again, if Fox had a clue how to do a good Silver Surfer film and were willing to risk the money on such an unproven cult character, they would have done much better with their FF films. Fox is very cheap, risk-averse and has limited imagination, and those tendencies don't lend themselves to a Surfer effort (or Doom).
 
... plus none of us are going to be any easier on them for a Doom or Surfer film than we would be for an FF film, so they'll be in the same position or worse - since they won't have the fans and most people who aren't fans won't care about Doom or Surfer.
 
I think this is very unlikely for several reasons:

1. If Fox can't figure out how to make a good FF film, they certainly can't figure out how to make a Doom film.

2. Fox has already made Doom look like an idiot in three different films, so he's just as damaged as FF.


3. Suicide Squad didn't do well which will make Fox execs very reluctant to make an anti-hero film.


I think Silver Surfer is much more likely than Doom, but then again, if Fox had a clue how to do a good Silver Surfer film and were willing to risk the money on such an unproven cult character, they would have done much better with their FF films. Fox is very cheap, risk-averse and has limited imagination, and those tendencies don't lend themselves to a Surfer effort (or Doom).

Which bit of Doom looked like an idiot? :o
 
I am betting that is a public answer.
 
They likely have other plans at this point. I almost think they'd rather mine another franchise to glory a la Guardians then take on the baggage of FF at this point unfortunately. I think the ancillary characters that come with the rights would be of greater interest. If they are getting inspired by other avenues, best to follow them and when the rights eventually revert, do something then. They are pretty much DOA at Fox, so no need to push it.
 
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Poor X-Men franchise.

If by some miracle the film is good, then I hope it doesn't give Fox any ideas concerning the Fantastic Four.

Took the words out of my mouth. But I don't see "Dark Phoenix: The Do over" being all that successful. The fact that more and more fans would rather see the Shi'ar in GOTG than in X-men these days speaks volumes!

Even if the X-men fans who loved that Apocalypse film love this sequel I don't think it'll be enough to make more than Apocalypse's Box office especially facing off against Disney's live action Mulan that weekend. With Bad Boys sequel the week after that and Fantastic Beast 2 the week after that!

Then there's Wreck-it Ralph 2... Nov. 2018 is no joke IMO. And I'd sooner watch every movie I've just mentioned twice in theaters before watching a Kinberg directed X-men film once via jailbroken Firestick.
 
Between the Kinberg directing Pheonix and the direction New Mutants is going (no costumes, horror elements) I honestly don't see anything non-Deadpool as worthwhile when it comes to Fox X-men movies.
 
Poor X-Men franchise.

If by some miracle the film is good, then I hope it doesn't give Fox any ideas concerning the Fantastic Four.

I actually think if (against all odds) Kinberg makes a great film, that's good for us.

That will allow Fox to continue focusing on X-Men instead of FF (plus, if even their golden boy was unable to make FF work, it will further convince Fox management that it's impossible to make a good FF film).

If, on the other hand (as is far more likely), Phoenix sucks, then what? Kinberg will have put Fox's golden-egg-laying goose on life support and they'll start to get desperate - and that desperation could lead them to look at FF again as an option.

I think the best thing for us is for Fox to continue to cruise and be successful with their X-efforts, but Kinberg as director makes that very unlikely.
 
Maybe Kinberg is actually directing Fant4stic: Dark Phoenix, because this franchise keeps rising, phoenix-like from the ashes, as a dark cloud upon us. :o
 
Kinberg is made of teflon it seems. His hands have been heavily plunged into a good few of the sh#tiest Fox efforts but it never sticks.

Maybe he will surprise us with his director debut but if his writing is any measure I'm not considering that the likely option.

I can't think of a single person I would trust less with a Superhero film. Not only is his writing resume' abysmal, but his only directing experience (Fant4stic) speaks for itself.

Fant4stic was Kinberg's baby. There's no other film on which he has had nearly that level of involvement. By his own admission, he was on-set from the start writing and getting involved in all aspects, and reports indicate that when Trank lost it, Kinberg was the one who finished the film (and that fits with the odd situation we saw in which Kinberg was the one out talking about the film while the actual credited director was rarely heard from).

He said he was proud of Fant4stic. He said the critics were being unfair. That alone should tell you the level of delusion and incompetence he brings to the table, but we have more than that to judge him on. Nearly everything he said about Fant4stic from the start was off-base. None of us were surprised by the complete failure of Fant4stic because we had been reading quotes from Kinberg for a year and a half and we knew how clueless he was.

Given the choice between Josh Trank and Simon Kinberg directing another superhero film, I'd take Trank without a second thought. Trank may have been misguided, but Kinberg is talentless and clueless.

Trank has done something that Kinberg hasn't. Trank has actually directed a good film.

And I'm willing to bet right here, right now, that Trank's Capone film is a much better film than Kinberg's Dark Phoenix.

I think Kinberg had more power and more say on Fant4stic than Trank did, and I think Fant4stic tells anyone who cares to pay attention quite a bit about Kinberg's ability to put together a film.
 
I'm just amazed how he gets away with it.

I can only assume he has mastered the art of passing the buck when his poor efforts are to blame, whilst grasping credit for success when his involvement has not been a significant factor.

You'd think one of the heads at Fox would have figured out what we humble fans have known for some time: the dude is a hack.
 
I'm just amazed how he gets away with it.

I can only assume he has mastered the art of passing the buck when his poor efforts are to blame, whilst grasping credit for success when his involvement has not been a significant factor.

You'd think one of the heads at Fox would have figured out what we humble fans have known for some time: the dude is a hack.

He must know the right butts to kiss.

I think most of us know someone in the work-place who consistently does poor to mediocre work, but continues to advance because they know the right people and know how to play the game.

And in this case, we can recognize the incompetence of Fox management in general. Fox management obviously doesn't see or doesn't admit their own weaknesses (or they wouldn't continue to make the same mistakes over and over again), and Kinberg is the prototypical Fox manager.

Fox management probably has trouble seeing Kinberg's flaws because he's lock-step with them and they don't see anything wrong when they look in the mirror.
 
I think this is very unlikely for several reasons:

1. If Fox can't figure out how to make a good FF film, they certainly can't figure out how to make a Doom film.

2. Fox has already made Doom look like an idiot in three different films, so he's just as damaged as FF.

3. Suicide Squad didn't do well which will make Fox execs very reluctant to make an anti-hero film.


I think Silver Surfer is much more likely than Doom, but then again, if Fox had a clue how to do a good Silver Surfer film and were willing to risk the money on such an unproven cult character, they would have done much better with their FF films. Fox is very cheap, risk-averse and has limited imagination, and those tendencies don't lend themselves to a Surfer effort (or Doom).

... plus none of us are going to be any easier on them for a Doom or Surfer film than we would be for an FF film, so they'll be in the same position or worse - since they won't have the fans and most people who aren't fans won't care about Doom or Surfer.

Only I was talking about if "Marvel" made the movie....I'm not even "THINKING" about Fox doing another FF movie. I didn't make that clear.

Yeah, I don't think it's "likely". I just think it could be really interesting because, well, (non-Fox) DOOM is interesting.

I don't agree that SS didn't do well. Next to some other, ah.....movies??? (I'm searching for the right word here and it's not quite coming to me :cwink: ), SS was a tremendous hit.

Fox tried Doom (a couple of times) and Silver Surfer. I don't see them going to the Silver Surfer well again. They may try Doom (God hate them for it if they do), but if there's a quality clause, Fox is screwed one way or the other.
 
I have been assuming that the FF would be introduced as part of the All-New, All-Different MCU after the 2019 Avengers film, but the "no plans" and "no discussions" comments are much more disheartening than a simple "no comment".

It seems like common sense to not advertise to Fox if you *did* have plans (or even just a strong desire) to bring back or use the Fantastic Four, since that would just give them power at the negotiating table. Never let the other side know that you are hungry for what they are selling, it only jacks the price and gives them an advantage.

The best thing Marvel Studios can do, from a bargaining standpoint, is shrug and say, 'Whatever, we've got 1000 other properties begging for development, and we developed Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man to *prove* that we don't need the Fantastic Four or X-Men, but can make a mega-hit franchise out of literally anything.' As a bonus, that happens to be factually true (had GotG or Ant-Man spectacularly flopped, it could have gone the other way, and suggested that Marvel *needed* the FF or X-Men to succeed), which only strengthens Marvel's bargaining position.

Convince the other side that what they are holding onto so desperately is practically worthless to you, and the price goes down. Let them know that you strongly desire that property, and cash signs appear in their eyes, and you end up having to pay many times as much.
 
I'm getting the feeling that people didn't think much of the initial Dark Phoenix........and don't think much of Simon.....am I missing something? LOL.
 
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