The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - Part 11

[Willie Lumpkin]

Technically, thanks to the power of retcon, his first appearance was as Rama Tut in FF 19, published October 1963, the year before Kang debuted in Avengers.

His history is a bit all over the place but afaik it remains that Nathaniel Richards (his real name) is from a distant alternative future and is a descendant of Reeds father (named the same) who spent time in that alternative reality (but in the present day) and fathered another child there, establishing Kangs ancestral connection.

When he first travelled back in time he assumed the Rama Tut identity, and became Kang after trying to return to his future.

Then there's Immortus, who confuses it all the more.

I've never even tried to understand all of it. I doubt any of the writers even completely understand it all.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm having troubled deciding what I think of this:

http://www.thewrap.com/jeremy-latcham-leave-marvel-20th-century-fox-deal-exclusive/

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

On one hand, if the worst happens, he could actually help Fox make good Fantastic Four films. On the other hand, this seems to increase the chances that the worst could happen.

 

[wobbly]

I'm having troubled deciding what I think of this:

http://www.thewrap.com/jeremy-latcham-leave-marvel-20th-century-fox-deal-exclusive/

"Latcham, who was most recently credited on the blockbuster “Spider-Man: Homecoming,” will produce original films through his own company set up at the studio, the insiders said."

If that is the case it doesn't sound like he there to handle Fox's Marvel flicks. Of course simply being with Fox does open the door for him to get involved, especially if Simple Simon sh#ts the bed.

Again.

 

[I Am The Knight]

On one hand, if the worst happens, he could actually help Fox make good Fantastic Four films. On the other hand, this seems to increase the chances that the worst could happen.

The worst being...Fox makes another FF film?

 

[2kt09]

If it's not Feige, I didn't think anyone here gave a care, especially about a guy most of us are likely just now learning of.

Like the Russos, he's just signing on to do his own thing.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

"Latcham, who was most recently credited on the blockbuster “Spider-Man: Homecoming,” will produce original films through his own company set up at the studio, the insiders said."

If that is the case it doesn't sound like he there to handle Fox's Marvel flicks. Of course simply being with Fox does open the door for him to get involved, especially if Simple Simon sh#ts the bed.

Again.

Not sure what that statement means, but Fox would almost certainly want him to work with Marvel films. Are any films 'original'? Aren't nearly all films based on something? I guess maybe he wants to play the artist and make something out of nothing, but that can't be nearly as lucrative (or interesting to Fox) as him working his billion dollar magic on their Marvel properties.

 

[Xeno]

I'm having troubled deciding what I think of this:

http://www.thewrap.com/jeremy-latcham-leave-marvel-20th-century-fox-deal-exclusive/

Top Marvel Studios executive Jeremy Latcham is leaving his post for an overall production deal at 20th Century Fox, two individuals familiar with the move told TheWrap.

Latcham, who was most recently credited on the blockbuster “Spider-Man: Homecoming,” will produce original films through his own company set up at the studio, the insiders said.

One has to wonder if those "original films" Latcham is going to produce will be Marvel-related or entirely new concepts. He could conceivably do a better job with the FF franchise but with the usual Fox suspects involved (Kinberg, et al.) there is little reason for hope just yet. Kinberg is large and in charge over there and that probably won't change as long as he can get his name in the credits and collect a fat paycheck.

 

[First Avenger]

Latcham probably wants to make something on his own,I could be wrong but I don't think he will keep doing CBMs after 22 Marvel movies.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Who knows, he might even have a non-compete clause in his contract that would prevent him from working on Marvel movies. If so, that probably only lasts for a certain period (hopefully long enough to let the FF rights revert so he can focus on X-Men). And the plan may be to have him work on other things until that non-compete expires.

Hiring someone like him to work on truly "original films" (which would have no built-in audiences and therefore be nothing like the Marvel films he has been working on) would be analogous to a hospital hiring a brain surgeon to clean toilets.

 

[DyfeddRex]

On one hand, if the worst happens, he could actually help Fox make good Fantastic Four films. On the other hand, this seems to increase the chances that the worst could happen.

I've been thinking that over too, Willie. Now, what if this is something even more? This is one of KF's right hand men, so... what would make it so the Mouse, let alone Marvel, would let him head over there. Now, yes, some report that it is for independent projects, and he aims to make his own studio.

Think that one over.

Xmen/Mutant Studios.

Also, after getting about halfway through AoS's most recent season, is it just me, or did the Superior find a way to call himself a mutant without the M word being sed. "I am a SUPERIOR MAN".... in latin... Homo Superior.... what was it Magneto used to call himself and his brotherhood members? I was shocked they snuck that by the editors, or was it intentional, a telegraphing of a move to come?

Then, that thing about the concept art for Capt. Marvel, and the hashtag of superskrulls.... plural, but dang....

I think there is some form of agreement, Fox knows that sooner or later WB will get the DCEU going strong, and their name recognition, just thanks to the animation side, will take hold. They have to up their game, best bet for Faux, to my chagrin, might be a Sony-styled deal. One that lets the universes cross over.

One that lets the two real juggernauts of the MCU clash, as they have in the comics so many times before. Hulk v Thing.... Dawn of Nerdgasm.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I've been thinking that over too, Willie. Now, what if this is something even more? This is one of KF's right hand men, so... what would make it so the Mouse, let alone Marvel, would let him head over there. Now, yes, some report that it is for independent projects, and he aims to make his own studio.

Think that one over.

Xmen/Mutant Studios.

Also, after getting about halfway through AoS's most recent season, is it just me, or did the Superior find a way to call himself a mutant without the M word being sed. "I am a SUPERIOR MAN".... in latin... Homo Superior.... what was it Magneto used to call himself and his brotherhood members? I was shocked they snuck that by the editors, or was it intentional, a telegraphing of a move to come?

Then, that thing about the concept art for Capt. Marvel, and the hashtag of superskrulls.... plural, but dang....

I think there is some form of agreement, Fox knows that sooner or later WB will get the DCEU going strong, and their name recognition, just thanks to the animation side, will take hold. They have to up their game, best bet for Faux, to my chagrin, might be a Sony-styled deal. One that lets the universes cross over.

One that lets the two real juggernauts of the MCU clash, as they have in the comics so many times before. Hulk v Thing.... Dawn of Nerdgasm.

It will be VERY interesting to see how this is characterized by both sides. Did he leave on good terms, or was it contentious?

As you suggest, it's possible this is the first step in some sort of deal with Marvel feeling they can trust what's coming out of Fox if Latcham is there.

I'm a little skeptical of that, but if he did leave on good terms, it could certainly open a door for some sort of future cooperation.

 

[Gabe99]

"Latcham, who was most recently credited on the blockbuster “Spider-Man: Homecoming,” will produce original films through his own company set up at the studio, the insiders said."

If that is the case it doesn't sound like he there to handle Fox's Marvel flicks. Of course simply being with Fox does open the door for him to get involved, especially if Simple Simon sh#ts the bed.

Again.

Marvel's man is Tulsa native Jeremy Latcham, executive producer of 'Avengers' sequel

Jeremy Latcham spends much of his time hanging out with the coolest guys in the universe.

He was always popular. You don’t become student body president at Union High School, as the 1999 graduate was, without having a lot of friends.

But now he counts among his closest pals this lineup: Iron Man, Captain America, Thor and the Hulk. Not to mention Peter Quill, Groot and Rocket Raccoon.

Latcham is senior vice president of production development for Marvel Studios. He’s the executive producer of this summer’s most anticipated sequel, “Avengers: Age of Ultron,” as he was for the first film and also last summer’s hit “Guardians of the Galaxy.”

Latcham is one of the major players in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

He’s one of Hollywood’s most respected young executives, and at 34, he’s already been part of Marvel’s braintrust for several years, becoming the on-set manager of 250-million-dollar productions.

This can mean umpteen-hour days and spending months on end with his wife out of the country for shooting (11 months in London, Italy, South Korea and more on “Age of Ultron”).

And yet, when he talks Marvel movies, he still has the youthful enthusiasm of a teen planning a pep rally for Union’s Friday night football game.
So who are his best buds, the fun bunch: the Avengers or the Guardians?

“Oh, wow, they are so different that I think of them like (“Guardians” director) James Gunn does, that if the Avengers are the Beatles, the Guardians of the Galaxy are the Rolling Stones,” Latcham said in a phone interview last week.

“The Avengers get to do things that you can’t do in any other movies, with these gigantic set pieces that are earned because you have such iconic characters,” he said.

“?‘Guardians’ was such a risk, with no idea how people were going to respond to it, and I ended up at a place where I thought, ‘I want people to love this as much as I do,’ you know?” he said of the film full of unknown characters that the public embraced completely.

Getting to the bottom line: Which of these groups, at the end of the day, is Latcham hanging out with and having a beer?

“Well, it’s probably the Avengers because I’ve known them for so long, and they are a pretty fun-loving group,” Latcham said of the heroes last seen following up a winning battle for control of the universe with a sit-down dinner of shawarma all around in “The Avengers” post-credit scene.

“It’s funny to be talking about this because there is this great scene in the first act of ‘Age of Ultron’ that finds them all having beers, and you really feel that camaraderie. That’s what I’m talking about.”

Latcham’s “Avengers: Age of Ultron” responsibilities extend well beyond filming to include marketing concepts and post-production efforts and movie premieres.

He attended the latest premiere with his three favorite ladies: his wife, Aileen Erin, the author of the popular young-adult series of “Alpha Girl” books; his mom, Kristi Latcham, No. 1 cheerleader of his career, along with his dad, Greg; and his grandmother Doris Hopper who still lives in Oklahoma in Perkins.

“Seeing my grandmother walk down that red carpet and meet the stars — she couldn’t believe it, and I just loved it. She had such a good time,” Latcham said.

He added how thrilled he was to include her in the event following the recent death of his grandfather John Hopper, a career educator who assisted in forming the first vo-tech schools in Oklahoma and who served as superintendent of Central Vo-Tech in Drumright for more than a quarter century.

“He was very important to me and a really big influence on my life,” Latcham said.

“I’ll always remember him telling me that I could do anything, and he didn’t think my idea to try to make movies in California was crazy at all.”

From helping out on filming a Mazzio’s Pizza Dippers commercial in Tulsa to interning at indie studio Miramax to winning a car on “The Price is Right” to pay for a second Hollywood summer internship — he has his own great Hollywood story — Latcham has climbed the ladder quickly and confirmed his grandfather’s faith in his abilities.

He’s earned his stripes as one of the key Marvel lieutenants working for Kevin Feige, president of Marvel Studios. Latcham is increasingly the Marvel representative who talks to the media about Marvel films.

His words reveal his knowledge of that universe but no secrets.

So what’s new in this “Avengers” movie? To start with, a breathless beginning. They are the Avengers, and they apparently need no introduction after their mega-success first film.

“The movie starts off with an action-packed scene, and they are all together helping each other in battle, and it is epic,” Latcham said.

“That first shot is continuous for like 1 minute, 20 seconds of just nonstop action, and it is incredible.”

He’s excited about the film’s heart, action and surprises. He’s thrilled with the work of writer-director Joss Whedon, and he paid an ultimate compliment to the man who’s moving on to other projects after directing both “Avengers” films.

“I think he writes the best version of Thor. I think he writes the best version of Captain America. That’s how good he is,” Latcham said of Whedon’s distinctive voice.

“I’ve spent much of the last five years with him, so it’s going to be weird to not be getting calls and texts from Joss about the movie.”

Latcham will move on to spend the better part of the next few years working on the sequels.

He said he will continue as executive producer on “Avengers: Infinity War — Part I” and its sequel, the third and fourth films teaming up Marvel’s superheroes and set for 2018 and 2019.

The two movies will film back-to-back in Atlanta, meaning several more years that Latcham will spend with his friends in high places — like Asgard and beyond.

'Age of Ultron' Producer on Film's Ending: 'People Are Going to Say, "Oh My God!"
Marvel producer Jeremy Latcham says the Avengers movies could go on indefinitely, telling Yahoo Movies: “We could stay here forever. It’s fun. Why would you leave?”

Kevin Feige & Jeremy Latcham Give More Character Backstory to Captain America: Civil War

 

[Zarex]

FOX doesn't poach a high level MCU exec to have him work on period dramas and rom coms. He's there to make superhero movies. X Men proper is looking mighty shaky, so Latcham may be Kinberg's in house replacement. Or he could be there to attempt the impossible - make a well received FOX FF movie. There's no guarantee FOX is going to invest the money required to make it work, but it's another bad sign.

 

[-JKR-]

FOX doesn't poach a high level MCU exec to have him work on period dramas and rom coms. He's there to make superhero movies. X Men proper is looking mighty shaky, so Latcham may be Kinberg's in house replacement. Or he could be there to attempt the impossible - make a well received FOX FF movie. There's no guarantee FOX is going to invest the money required to make it work, but it's another bad sign.

He actually signed on with FOX to set up his own production company. The man probably wants to do more than just comic book movies.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

FOX doesn't poach a high level MCU exec to have him work on period dramas and rom coms.

I agree. Producers of general films are a dime a dozen. Producers who know how to build multi-billion dollar empires out of Marvel comic-book characters have unique and highly valuable skill-sets that would be of particular interest to Fox... especially at this moment.

...but here's the good news. If Latcham is smart, (and I'm sure he is) and Fox is smart enough to give him the control he needs (and I suspect the idea of him having his "own company" is all about Fox giving him that control - which was probably necessary to entice him away from Marvel), I think the third thing he'll do (after firing Kinberg and cancelling all current X-films other than Deadpool), will be to try to get whatever he can get from Marvel for the FF rights so he can focus on the X-Verse.

The X-Men characters are perfectly capable of building a Marvel-like empire in the right hands, and I suspect Latcham is smart enough to focus on X-Men and build that world without allowing FF to be a distraction from that focused, singular goal.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

... and if it actually plays out that way, it could be amazing for all of us. The X-Men could finally live up to their potential and the FF could return to Marvel. So keeping my fingers crossed that it plays out that way.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I agree. Producers of general films are a dime a dozen. Producers who know how to build multi-billion dollar empires out of Marvel comic-book characters have unique and highly valuable skill-sets that would be of particular interest to Fox... especially at this moment.

...but here's the good news. If Latcham is smart, (and I'm sure he is) and Fox is smart enough to give him the control he needs (and I suspect the idea of him having his "own company" is all about Fox giving him that control - which was probably necessary to entice him away from Marvel), I think the third thing he'll do (after firing Kinberg and cancelling all current X-films other than Deadpool), will be to try to get whatever he can get from Marvel for the FF rights so he can focus on the X-Verse.

The X-Men characters are perfectly capable of building a Marvel-like empire in the right hands, and I suspect Latcham is smart enough to focus on X-Men and build that world without allowing FF to be a distraction from that focused, singular goal.

Love your optimism. Hope you're right, man.

 

[Raiden]

I agree. Producers of general films are a dime a dozen. Producers who know how to build multi-billion dollar empires out of Marvel comic-book characters have unique and highly valuable skill-sets that would be of particular interest to Fox... especially at this moment.

...but here's the good news. If Latcham is smart, (and I'm sure he is) and Fox is smart enough to give him the control he needs (and I suspect the idea of him having his "own company" is all about Fox giving him that control - which was probably necessary to entice him away from Marvel), I think the third thing he'll do (after firing Kinberg and cancelling all current X-films other than Deadpool), will be to try to get whatever he can get from Marvel for the FF rights so he can focus on the X-Verse.

The X-Men characters are perfectly capable of building a Marvel-like empire in the right hands, and I suspect Latcham is smart enough to focus on X-Men and build that world without allowing FF to be a distraction from that focused, singular goal.

If he fires Kinberg, then he's a true hero.

 

[TheVileOne]

Kinberg's not getting fired so you will all have to let go of that.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Oh dear.

 

[regnak]

Kinberg's not getting fired so you will all have to let go of that.

How far into the ground does he have to run the main X-Men franchise to get fired? I doubt he has a lifetime job and his previous efforts won't be getting him good performance reviews. The only reason to keep him is if you want him to do to the X-Men what was done to FF.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

How far into the ground does he have to run the main X-Men franchise to get fired? I doubt he has a lifetime job and his previous efforts won't be getting him good performance reviews. The only reason to keep him is if you want him to do to the X-Men what was done to FF.

I think it's a safe bet that when the first reviews for Phoenix start coming out, the chances of him directing another film will fall sharply.

 

[babykhris]

I truly believe Marvel got Kang exclusively as part of their deal with FOX for the x-Men TV shows. Marvel doesn't even put Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in video games or merchandise, but Kang's the star on Lego Super Heroes 2. Marvel wouldn't do that unless they didn't have total control of the character.

I wouldn't be surprised if they made a deal with Deadpool also regarding merchandise too.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Scarlet witch and quicksilver were both in the last lego avengers. And marvel already controls merchandising for all properties, they can include anyone they want in a game or as a toy but they chose not to.