The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - Part 12

[Stark Bauer]

Hawley admits he threw out the comics when making Legion:

“This is all coming out of Noah’s head,” Shuler Donner explained. “Yes, we’re a part of the X-Men universe, but obviously we’re our own Astral Plane, we’re our own world. And because we’re coming out of one man’s head, it’s more following that than following comics and knowing ‘this is going to happen, and that’s going to happen,’ because it’s not. Who knows what’s going to happen? And that’s what makes it interesting.”

Asked how much of an influence the comic books have on the series, Shuler Donner simply responded “not so much.”

“[Hawley] said ‘I’m taking the comics and throwing them out,’” Shuler Donner said. “I mean, he knows them. It’s not like he never read them. He does understand them. But he’s freer to create his own story.”

From comicbook.com

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/08/09/legion-no-comic-book-ties-lauren-shuler-donner/

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Except James Gunn has said that Marvel wouldn't do an FF reboot if they got the rights, they'd just use their villains (namely Kang and Annihilus). Kevin Feige has already said that Fox has no intention of ever allowing the rights to revert.

Like it or not, I'd rather hope that the upcoming FF film is actually good than root against it.

I'm not rooting against it, but I've seen Fox make the same mistakes over and over again, so I have zero faith they'll do it right.

And I'd rather have no FF film and let them have the comic-books as their legacy rather watching Fox continue to abuse their corpse.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Hawley admits he threw out the comics when making Legion:



From comicbook.com

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/08/09/legion-no-comic-book-ties-lauren-shuler-donner/

Zarex had the perfect metaphor in the Doom thread: Fox is Lucy and people willing to put their faith in Fox after 2 words from Noah Hawley are Charlie Brown.

There's nothing nearly special enough or magical enough about Noah Hawley for us to forget that this is still Fox and Fox doesn't understand or respect the FF. As before, if Fox makes more films, they will hire inexperienced directors, give them insufficient budgets and have them make films that are only loosely based on the FF characters.

There's no rational reason to believe otherwise.

 

[Crimz]

Zarex had the perfect metaphor in the Doom thread: Fox is Lucy and people willing to put their faith in Fox after 2 words from Noah Hawley are Charlie Brown.

There's nothing nearly special enough or magical enough about Noah Hawley for us to forget that this is still Fox and Fox doesn't understand or respect the FF. As before, if Fox makes more films, they will hire inexperienced directors, give them insufficient budgets and have them make films that are only loosely based on the FF characters.

There's no rational reason to believe otherwise.

This does seem a bit like a repeat of history to me:

• FOX only making the movie to stop rights reversion
  
• An inexperienced director (at movies) so that they don't cost as much.
  
• Likely low budget when the FF should never be low budget.
  
• Some saying this will not be like the last FF film because of director's one previous superhero project.

I see no reason why I should give this a chance when we've been through this thing before. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe anyone can be as bad as Trank I just don't think Hawley under FOX can make a good one. FOX will not provide the right amount of money, advertising and director freedom to make it successful.

I hope Marvel buys the rights before FOX even attempts the film.

 

[Dark Raven]

Zarex had the perfect metaphor in the Doom thread: Fox is Lucy and people willing to put their faith in Fox after 2 words from Noah Hawley are Charlie Brown.

There's nothing nearly special enough or magical enough about Noah Hawley for us to forget that this is still Fox and Fox doesn't understand or respect the FF. As before, if Fox makes more films, they will hire inexperienced directors, give them insufficient budgets and have them make films that are only loosely based on the FF characters.

There's no rational reason to believe otherwise.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

This does seem a bit like a repeat of history to me:

• FOX only making the movie to stop rights reversion
  
• An inexperienced director (at movies) so that they don't cost as much.
  
• Likely low budget when the FF should never be low budget.
  
• Some saying this will not be like the last FF film because of director's one previous superhero project.

I see no reason why I should give this a chance when we've been through this thing before. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe anyone can be as bad as Trank I just don't think Hawley under FOX can make a good one. FOX will not provide the right amount of money, advertising and director freedom to make it successful.

I hope Marvel buys the rights before FOX even attempts the film.

Exactly. We've seen all this before and it didn't work then. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

If Fox announced that David Fincher or Ridley Scott were directing a Doom film, and that director said something like: "I love Dr. Doom and I intend to capture all the key themes and visuals that made those comic books so iconic. And Fox has promised me a $200 million plus budget and freedom to do what I need."

They would have my attention. But that's about as likely as me pooping a diamond this afternoon.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

 

[First Avenger]

I can understand reimagining a non-iconic character like Legion,but Doctor Doom is THE Marvel villain,he needs to be portrayed with respect to the original source material,something we still have to see on film. If that's their approach once again...

 

[Darth_Spock]

Except James Gunn has said that Marvel wouldn't do an FF reboot if they got the rights, they'd just use their villains (namely Kang and Annihilus). Kevin Feige has already said that Fox has no intention of ever allowing the rights to revert.

Like it or not, I'd rather hope that the upcoming FF film is actually good than root against it.

Perhaps the MCU would give the Team the Hulk treatment starting off with features in existing MCU films if they did get the rights back....

And as others have stated here, Fox may keep the F4 rights and at this point we'll continue to keep our money.

Bowing down to a Studio that has never really respected Fantastic Four's fans is not something this thread has ever "HOPED" for.

 

[TheVileOne]

Except James Gunn has said that Marvel wouldn't do an FF reboot if they got the rights, they'd just use their villains (namely Kang and Annihilus). Kevin Feige has already said that Fox has no intention of ever allowing the rights to revert.

Like it or not, I'd rather hope that the upcoming FF film is actually good than root against it.

It's not really his decision at the end of the day.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It's not really his decision at the end of the day.

Yeah, Gunn's candidness is VERY refreshing in a world in which nobody else talks about these things, but sometimes it seems he's so willing to speak off the cuff, he says things that don't Always make complete sense.

As I pointed out when he said Fox won't give up the rights for the same reason he won't give his neighbor his car, if he can't pull out of his driveway without smashing into a tree, he really should consider giving away his car.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Yeah, Gunn's candidness is VERY refreshing in a world in which nobody else talks about these things, but sometimes it seems he's so willing to speak off the cuff, he says things that don't always make complete sense.

As I pointed out when he said Fox won't give up the rights for the same reason he won't give his neighbor his car, if he can't pull out of his driveway without smashing into a tree, he really should consider giving away his car.

Yeah, smashing that car three times, to boot.

 

[superion]

So FOX is gonna invest money on a failing IP which got a negative score on Rotten Tomatoes and lost the studio millions of dollars. Additionally, after Fant4stic, many are negative to another rebooted Fantastic Four film by FOX.

They are going to put in $50 million tops because this is just being done to keep it away from Marvel. So I am writing it off right off the bat. Screw Fox.

 

[Spiderine]

James Gunn probably doesn't really care if Marvel rebooted the FF anyways if Marvel got them back. He probably would prefer they not. All he really cares about are those great cosmic characters that lay with the property. Characters he would want to use for GOTG related stuff. Gunn has been placed in charge of mapping out the cosmic landscape for future.

So technically he doesn't care about the whole car. He wants to strip it for parts.

 

[metaphysician]

Guys, what if Universal decides to play ball with Hulk and She-Hulk and the Doctor Doom movie is actually good?

I know your suggesting this as vanishingly unlikely hypotheticals, but seriously, I wish people would stop talking about "Universal playing ball". We have zero evidence Universal is unwilling to "play ball". The problem isn't Universal being obstinate, the problem is that any solo Hulk movie has to be offered to them for distribution first. Not preemptively saying "Nope, we're not interested in distributing that movie" is not "refusing to play ball". We similarly have zero evidence that Universal has refused offers to buy out their contract, because we have no evidence Marvel has *made* any offers.

 

[metaphysician]

Yeah, smashing that car three times, to boot.

And they don't own the car, they *lease* it.

 

[Docker2.0]

When you watch the Mummy Returns, doesn't he look kind of like Doom on Tranktastic Four when he first awakens?

 

[random_havoc]

When you watch the Mummy Returns, doesn't he look kind of like Doom on Tranktastic Four when he first awakens?

you lost me

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

http://insidepulse.com/2017/08/13/m...fantastic-four-handling-by-marvel-goes-viral/

 

[First Avenger]

Lol that's hilarious and sad at the same time.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Have you seen "The First Family of Superheroes?"

 

[DyfeddRex]

http://insidepulse.com/2017/08/13/m...fantastic-four-handling-by-marvel-goes-viral/

I wanted to laugh, but that being on the milk carton is way too true.

 

[wobbly]

you lost me

Think they mean the scenes in both movies where he wears a mask briefly (hotel room in 1 and train carriage in 2)

This is from The Mummy Returns:

 

[Docker2.0]

Think they mean the scenes in both movies where he wears a mask briefly (hotel room in 1 and train carriage in 2)

This is from The Mummy Returns:

That actually maybe a more faithful portrayal of Doom and F4 from Fox. Even has the same color and does magic. I wonder if this was some kind of nod to Doom

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah, I can definitely see the similarity.