The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - Part 12

[metaphysician]

Again, there is nothing for Universal to do. They literally have no involvement at all until and unless *Marvel* makes the decision to make a movie. They *can't* do anything on their own. Even proactively trying to sell back the distribution contract is dependent on Marvel being interested in doing solo Hulk movies, which they haven't been for a long time for reasons unrelated to the distribution deal. Otherwise, a Universal rep could show up at Marvel's door, and it won't matter because they'll say "Thanks, but we're good".

 

[Dasher10]

Again, there is nothing for Universal to do. They literally have no involvement at all until and unless *Marvel* makes the decision to make a movie. They *can't* do anything on their own. Even proactively trying to sell back the distribution contract is dependent on Marvel being interested in doing solo Hulk movies, which they haven't been for a long time for reasons unrelated to the distribution deal. Otherwise, a Universal rep could show up at Marvel's door, and it won't matter because they'll say "Thanks, but we're good".

Universal could begin negotiations. After the Sony deal, reacquiring Hulk distribution rights makes the most sense for Marvel. What Universal need to do is get on their hands and knees and beg Marvel to make a new Hulk film. That or just sell the distribution rights back for cash.

Any further acquisitions are dependent on how well the Spider-Man spin-offs and Fantastic Four reboot do. If Venom and Doom make money, then we won't see the Spider-Man or Fantastic Four rights revert in full. If either of those films bomb, then we'll see the rights revert.

 

[Random490]

Universal could begin negotiations. After the Sony deal, reacquiring Hulk distribution rights makes the most sense for Marvel. What Universal need to do is get on their hands and knees and beg Marvel to make a new Hulk film. That or just sell the distribution rights back for cash.

Any further acquisitions are dependent on how well the Spider-Man spin-offs and Fantastic Four reboot do. If Venom and Doom make money, then we won't see the Spider-Man or Fantastic Four rights revert in full. If either of those films bomb, then we'll see the rights revert.

Why? Holding the rights cost them nothing. And to be more specific the rights are right of first refusal, as in if Marvel Makes a Hulk movie they have to offer distribution to Universal first. Universal could turn it down then Marvel could distribute it themselves. There really is no downside and would make more sense to hold on to it unless the studio really needs the money, which they don't. They will never "beg" Marvel to sell the rights.

Even if Venom does poorly Sony still makes a ton of money from merchandise, there's no reason to let go. Most likely they'll just stop making side movies and go in further on the spider-man deal. The most likely scenario of Spidery rights reversion is if Sony films' division tanks, which it has come close to doing. Venom and all their other films would have to pull a Fant4stic level of performance and that's just unlikely to happen.

 

[Spiderine]

The Universal situation is not a priority for Marvel and they are treating it as such. If they wanted those distribution rights they would have bought them when they purchased them from Paramount. Universal would gladly take the check.

First of all Marvel would have to want to make a HULK film to begin with. They seem content with sharing Hulk's screen and story time in ensemble/buddy pics. Which they are totally getting away with for free. Its not like Hulk was a blockbuster when he was solo.

 

[Darepool]

David's epic run is chalk full of blockbuster (untapped) potential. I think Marvel has tried, but Universal is unwilling to play ball. Ruffalo's comment's at D23 were telling.

 

[Dasher10]

Why? Holding the rights cost them nothing. And to be more specific the rights are right of first refusal, as in if Marvel Makes a Hulk movie they have to offer distribution to Universal first. Universal could turn it down then Marvel could distribute it themselves. There really is no downside and would make more sense to hold on to it unless the studio really needs the money, which they don't. They will never "beg" Marvel to sell the rights.

Even if Venom does poorly Sony still makes a ton of money from merchandise, there's no reason to let go. Most likely they'll just stop making side movies and go in further on the spider-man deal. The most likely scenario of Spidery rights reversion is if Sony films' division tanks, which it has come close to doing. Venom and all their other films would have to pull a Fant4stic level of performance and that's just unlikely to happen.

Sony makes no money from merch. They get 100% of the box office from Spider-Man but Marvel make all the money off of merchandise. Marvel are letting Sony go forward with spin-offs because it's printing free money for Disney Consumer Products. My main issue is that Sony aren't focusing on the right properties.

If I were Sony, I'd focus more on Prowler (Hobie), Spider-Woman (Jessica), Madame Web (Julia) and Scarlet Spider (Ben).

I like some of Sony's ideas. Venom works. Silver Sable works. Miles Morales works. Kraven only works if it's Kraven's Last Hunt. Nightwatch and Mysterio are mistakes. Marvel just won't stop Sony from making them since it's free tie-in money for Marvel even if it flops.

Mysterio may turn out good but the character will always be a hard sell to audiences since he's a thief with no redeeming characteristics.

Nightwatch is a character who was written almost entirely by Terry Kavanagh. The source material is bad. If Sony want to work with Spike Lee, have him tackle Hobie Brown. Nightwatch is a horrible mistake since it's based on poor-quality comics with a character who's a cheap rip-off of Spawn.

 

[Dasher10]

David's epic run is chalk full of blockbuster (untapped) potential. I think Marvel has tried, but Universal is unwilling to play ball. Ruffalo's comment's at D23 were telling.

This is why I blame Universal. They have no idea what they're sitting on.

 

[Spiderine]

I am going to need one of you guys to explain to me how Universal is "unwilling" to play ball? There is an awful lot of confusion regarding this topic.

 

[Darepool]

I'm mainly going off Ruffalo's rant at D23, where he said that a solo Hulk movie won't happen because "Universal doesn't want to make money'. That either implies a Sony-type partnership on a solo film, or refusing to sell the rights back to Marvel. I obviously suspect the latter since we're still getting plenty of Hulk on screen and Marvel can afford to wait if it has to. Ruffalo's frustration stems from the fact that waiting could mean he's too old by the time they are re-purchased or revert.

 

[Random490]

Sony makes no money from merch. They get 100% of the box office from Spider-Man but Marvel make all the money off of merchandise. Marvel are letting Sony go forward with spin-offs because it's printing free money for Disney Consumer Products. My main issue is that Sony aren't focusing on the right properties.

If I were Sony, I'd focus more on Prowler (Hobie), Spider-Woman (Jessica), Madame Web (Julie) and Scarlet Spider (Ben).

I like some of Sony's ideas. Venom works. Silver Sable works. Miles Morales works. Kraven only works if it's Kraven's Last Hunt. Nightwatch and Mysterio are mistakes. Marvel just won't stop Sony from making them since it's free tie-in money for Marvel even if it flops.

Mysterio may turn out good but the character will always be a hard sell to audiences since he's a thief with no redeeming characteristics.

Nightwatch is a character who was written almost entirely by Terry Kavanagh. The source material is bad. If Sony want to work with Spike Lee, have him tackle Hobie Brown. Nightwatch is a horrible mistake since it's based on poor-quality comics with a character who's a cheap rip-off of Spawn.

Could have sworn that a percentage of the merchandise was a big part of the deal. Maybe I'm thinking of a previous deal that they sold for some quick cash (a deal in retrospect was an awful business move)

I'm mainly going off Ruffalo's rant at D23, where he said that a solo Hulk movie won't happen because "Universal doesn't want to make money'. That either implies a Sony-type partnership on a solo film, or refusing to sell the rights back to Marvel. I obviously suspect the latter since we're still getting plenty of Hulk on screen and Marvel can afford to wait if it has to. Ruffalo's frustration stems from the fact that waiting could mean he's too old by the time they are re-purchased or revert.

It's possible he doesn't know the full deal and is going off some off handed remarks. Universal isn't preventing a Hulk movie from being made, Marvel can and, in phase one, have considered Hulk sequels. The just decided to focus on characters they have full rights to of instead, because that means more money for them. They can make a Hulk movie immediately but have to offer distribution to Universal first. Universal has no say in green lighting or canceling the movie itself.

Just to put it in perspective in Phase one the movies, save for TIH, were distributed by Paramount, because Marvel was a relatively small studio who couldn't afford to distribute their films. When Disney bought Marvel they suddenly had the resources to self distribute. So the lack of a Hulk movie comes from Disney wanting to handled distribution. I don't know how long that deal is set to last, Universal doesn't suffer from it or have to do anything for it. It's completely different to the Sony deal.

 

[Stark Bauer]

So I met and spoke to John Gallagher face to face today, the artist of these pieces that I posted previously

He said that he is meeting with Marvel Studios for a project that he could not name. I mentioned this thread and how we want the rights to revert back. He is on our side to say the least. He thinks Marvel will wait it out. Things are looking good...he knows about The Hype and hopefully he might even drop by on this thread!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

So I met and spoke to John Gallagher face to face today, the artist of these pieces that I posted previously

He said that he is meeting with Marvel Studios for a project that he could not name. I mentioned this thread and how we want the rights to revert back. He is on our side to say the least. He thinks Marvel will wait it out. Things are looking good...he knows about The Hype and hopefully he might even drop by on this thread!

Very cool! LOVE those renderings.

 

[Xeno]

That is gorgeous artwork! One day we'll see those scenes on the big screen. (One day....)

 

[Frankeh]

That looks super cool

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

If I were Feige, I'd take that art-work to Bob Iger and say: "Here's why you need to write check to get these rights back."

If Marvel gets the rights, we could see all of that on screen. If Marvel doesn't get the rights we won't get any of them.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Sony makes no money from merch. They get 100% of the box office from Spider-Man but Marvel make all the money off of merchandise. Marvel are letting Sony go forward with spin-offs because it's printing free money for Disney Consumer Products. My main issue is that Sony aren't focusing on the right properties.

If I were Sony, I'd focus more on Prowler (Hobie), Spider-Woman (Jessica), Madame Web (Julia) and Scarlet Spider (Ben).

I like some of Sony's ideas. Venom works. Silver Sable works. Miles Morales works. Kraven only works if it's Kraven's Last Hunt. Nightwatch and Mysterio are mistakes. Marvel just won't stop Sony from making them since it's free tie-in money for Marvel even if it flops.

Mysterio may turn out good but the character will always be a hard sell to audiences since he's a thief with no redeeming characteristics.

Nightwatch is a character who was written almost entirely by Terry Kavanagh. The source material is bad. If Sony want to work with Spike Lee, have him tackle Hobie Brown. Nightwatch is a horrible mistake since it's based on poor-quality comics with a character who's a cheap rip-off of Spawn.

Exactly how can Marvel stop Sony from making Spider-Man spinoffs? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[First Avenger]

so i met and spoke to john gallagher face to face today, the artist of these pieces that i posted previously

he said that he is meeting with marvel studios for a project that he could not name. I mentioned this thread and how we want the rights to revert back. He is on our side to say the least. He thinks marvel will wait it out. Things are looking good...he knows about the hype and hopefully he might even drop by on this thread!

SAY WAAAAAAAAAT

Tell us more! And PLEASE Tell him to show this to Marvel for God's sake!

 

[I Am The Knight]

I'm sure they've seen it, hence the meeting

 

[Dark Raven]

So I met and spoke to John Gallagher face to face today, the artist of these pieces that I posted previously

He said that he is meeting with Marvel Studios for a project that he could not name. I mentioned this thread and how we want the rights to revert back. He is on our side to say the least. He thinks Marvel will wait it out. Things are looking good...he knows about The Hype and hopefully he might even drop by on this thread!

If he does drop by this thread, I hope a video or gif of Kevin Feige is there to greet him

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[First Avenger]

I'm sure they've seen it, hence the meeting

Feige needs to be reminded that F4 have to come back. I recently tweeted him these drawings. Maybe the artist is meeting Marvel thanks to me,Lol.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Those images make me feel like the FF could help Marvel to take the "next step". I love the Marvel films, but I can't help feeling they've always felt a bit "smaller" than the comics.

I've always felt like the right director with the FF could bring us a film that feels as bold and fresh and new and awe-inspiring as the comic books were at the time they came out.

If someone can make a film that puts these images on screen (and with today's technology there should be no real limits to what a film can do), an FF film could actually achieve something similar to what the FF comic books did in the early '60s.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Those images make me feel like the FF could help Marvel to take the "next step". I love the Marvel films, but I can't help feeling they've always felt a bit "smaller" than the comics.

I've always felt like the right director with the FF could bring us a film that feels as bold and fresh and new and awe-inspiring as the comic books were at the time they came out.

If someone can make a film that puts these images on screen (and with today's technology there should be no real limits to what a film can do), an FF film could actually achieve something similar to what the FF comic books did in the early '60s.

A film like that wold be as good if not better than the 1st AVENGERS movie.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

A film like that wold be as good if not better than the 1st AVENGERS movie.

I still don't feel like I've seen the 'perfect' Marvel film. When I read the comic books, I had visions of those stories in my brain and I don't feel like they've quite gotten to that level of really bringing all the elements of the comic books to life.

They get better and better every year and have included nearly all of the elements, at one point or another, but I don't feel like they've all come together just right in one film yet.

X-Men proved the basic concept - that films could be made based on Marvel comic book characters and situations.

Spider-Man went a step further and showed that some of the visuals could be taken directly from the comic-books and work on screen.

The Avengers showed that multiple characters could interact and face an intergalactic threat.

Guardians of the Galaxy showed that any visuals the director could imagine could be put on the screen.

And now that we've seen all those elements, I'm just waiting for someone to put them all together in one film that feels like a comic-book come to life - the way those images above feel to me.

I'm hoping, after all our waiting, the FF will be the first film to truly match everything I saw in my head when I was reading them as a kid.

If that happens (and maybe it's foolishly optimistic) and FF comes out just at the right time with just the right director, script and production design to be the first film to really do it and knock everybody's socks off, all will be forgiven.

 

[2kt09]

I still don't feel like I've seen the 'perfect' Marvel film. When I read the comic books, I had visions of those stories in my brain and I don't feel like they've quite gotten to that level of really bringing all the elements of the comic books to life.

They get better and better every year and have included nearly all of the elements, at one point or another, but I don't feel like they've all come together just right in one film yet.

X-Men proved the basic concept - that films could be made based on Marvel comic book characters and situations.

Spider-Man went a step further and showed that some of the visuals could be taken directly from the comic-books and work on screen.

The Avengers showed that multiple characters could interact and face an intergalactic threat.

Guardians of the Galaxy showed that any visuals the director could imagine could be put on the screen.

And now that we've seen all those elements, I'm just waiting for someone to put them all together in one film that feels like a comic-book come to life - the way those images above feel to me.

I'm hoping, after all our waiting, the FF will be the first film to truly match everything I saw in my head when I was reading them as a kid.

If that happens (and maybe it's foolishly optimistic) and FF comes out just at the right time with just the right director, script and production design to be the first film to really do it and knock everybody's socks off, all will be forgiven.

I assumed most F4 fans are also big movie GOTG lovers, since those check off nearly all the boxes.

The "Marvel" I'm familiar with is one that relishes in its practicality "grounded" no matter how absurd it can get and keeps things relatively serious "gritty" because it's soap opera for kids with characters who are interesting because of the very human pov. This is the "Marvel" I knew directly before the "synergy era" and the one I recognize outside of the Ultimate-verse.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I assumed most F4 fans are also big movie GOTG lovers, since those check off nearly all the boxes.

The "Marvel" I'm familiar with is one that relishes in its practicality "grounded" no matter how absurd it can get and keeps things relatively serious "gritty" because it's soap opera for kids with characters who are interesting because of the very human pov. This is the "Marvel" I knew directly before the "synergy era" and the one I recognize outside of the Ultimate-verse.

I just watched GOTG 2, and both films are absolutely amazing. I can't really judge if they're "comic books come to life" because I never read the comic books. My general impression (rightly or wrongly since I'm admittedly ignorant) is that those films are more about putting James Gunn's vision on the screen than truly focusing on bringing the comic-books to life.

I would love to see Gunn direct a FF film - even if he diverges a little bit from the comic books. But Gunn working off those drawings above would be a dream come true.