The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - Part 13

[MahvelBaby!]

this is why morbius venom whatever needs too fail...

 

[Big Bang]

this is why morbius venom whatever Sony needs too fail...

'Nuff said.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

'Nuff said.

I'll take that too lol

 

[Doc Ock]

I don't understand why Sony is still trying with their No-Spidey universe. Throwing money down the drain.

 

[The Infernal]

Sony are a joke at this point. Just more reason that if Fox wish to sell to someone it should be Marvel.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think one thing that might provide some urgency for Fox to get this done is Kinberg's Dark Phoenix. Those of us on here know how much of a hack Kinberg is, but on paper, he has been involved with the other X-Men films, he has a talented cast and as far as most people know, we'll be getting a film that is comparable to previous X-Men films.

And those X-Men films have been a staple for Fox, providing consistently solid box office numbers.

But knowing Kinberg, I have a feeling that the more we know about his film, the more grim things will be, so Fox has some motivation to get things moving before people see what he's doing to the X-Men franchise.

 

[Boom]

Simon Kinberg can go piss up a rope.

 

[Big Bang]

Simon Kinberg can go piss up a rope.

The guy does OK when he is involved in non-CBM movies. He was one of the producers on "The Martian", which was a great movie. Granted that was probably due more to Ridley Scott than anyone else.

But yeah, otherwise it's up the rope he goes. t:

 

[Dark Raven]

If he were to piss up a rope, assuming he can counter gravity that way and manage to direct it upwards, and assuming he doesn't get rope burn, then it's likely to still hit him on the way down.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think Kinberg could piss down a rope and it would still end up in his face.

 

[Big Bang]

I think Kinberg could piss down a rope and it would still end up in his face.

Every so often, I picture Kinberg in this situation, and it makes me smile.

 

[Endeavor]

In any case, I think Fox is past the point of no return. They HAVE to sell now, and if Disney is the only serious buyer, they can hold out for the price they want.

This is the positive that I'm taking from the Sony involvement.
I don't want them to have control of X-Men or FF, but this shows FOX is serious about the sale. And worse case scenario, Sony does end up with the rights, at least they're willing to work with Marvel...

 

[Crimz]

I thought Sony had financial problems not too long ago? Them buying Fox seems like a bit of a risk for them. Maybe they are interested in only some properties Fox own?

 

[Endeavor]

Quite the opposite, IMO. The moment Sony senses any form of independent success, they'll yank Spider-Man and do their own thing. The upper management of that company truly are that clueless and arrogant that they would that. They certainly have given no indication whatsoever that they wouldn't and have wised up to what they should be doing or where their future lies.

Go back and look at the interview that Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal gave together. Look at how uncomfortable Kevin looked when she started talking about Marvel+Sony coming together might not happen again. That woman hasn't learned a single lesson in her failures.

Don't forget Tom Rothman. Amy isn't the only problem at Sony.

 

[Endeavor]

The guy does OK when he is involved in non-CBM movies. He was one of the producers on "The Martian", which was a great movie. Granted that was probably due more to Ridley Scott than anyone else.

But yeah, otherwise it's up the rope he goes. t:

If by doing Ok you mean that he has nothing to do with the writing or directing, then yeah.. But we're not so lucky.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Every so often, I picture Kinberg in this situation, and it makes me smile.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

This is the positive that I'm taking from the Sony involvement.
I don't want them to have control of X-Men or FF, but this shows FOX is serious about the sale. And worse case scenario, Sony does end up with the rights, at least they're willing to work with Marvel...

From an FF point of view, I simply can't imagine any situation worse than what we've got, so, while I'd like to see Marvel get the rights (and I think the chances are better than not that they will), I'll be happy with whatever happens as long as it shakes things up and puts control in the hands of somebody else.

 

[Big Bang]

This is the positive that I'm taking from the Sony involvement.
I don't want them to have control of X-Men or FF, but this shows FOX is serious about the sale. And worse case scenario, Sony does end up with the rights, at least they're willing to work with Marvel...

Well, on a more positive note it shows that Fox is considering breaking up assets to sell to interested parties.

I can't just see Sony ending up with those rights. They were screwing the pooch on the Spider-Man films, and those diminishing returns really had a negative impact on them. A Fant4stic debacle could almost take them down. It's too great of a gamble given how awful their productions currently are.

Sony is willing to work with Marvel but their is a caveat. They are only doing so because Sony was in real danger of damaging the Spider-Man brand. Amy Pascal and Avi Arad had every intention of doing their own Spider-Man cinematic universe, but those diminish returns forced them to change plans. Now that they have the revenue stream from Spider-Man being in the MCU, they are still going forward with their spin-offs. They are trying to setup their own universe that they could potentially pull Spider-Man into, and out of the MCU. If Sony had additional rights they would very likely accelerate that plan. Never mind that they would need Marvel's consent to combine them into a single universe, but I could see Sony trying to play hardball.

 

[Orba]

I thought Sony had financial problems not too long ago? Them buying Fox seems like a bit of a risk for them. Maybe they are interested in only some properties Fox own?

Sony have had financial problems not too long ago, long ago and all inbetween. They have been selling off properties and doing reorganisation for years trying to get their financial situation under control. In the financial year 2016 to 2017 Sony Pictures lost over $700 million, the whole reason Tom Rothman got the job of head of Sony Pictures is while lots of people hate him he has a reputation for keeping film budgets under control.

The likelihood of them actually buying the whole of Fox is very small, they don't really have the money for it (there have even been rumours for years about Sony considering selling of their film division), but what Sony are probably interested in is picking up a few IPs. Sony are very light on film franchises these days, their Ghostbusters reboot failed, they look to be loosing Bond, they currently have Jump Street and are supposed to be rebooting MiB. Sony need more tentpole franchises and see Fox as a potential source.

 

[Big Bang]

I thought Sony had financial problems not too long ago? Them buying Fox seems like a bit of a risk for them. Maybe they are interested in only some properties Fox own?

They are still in that boat. While they have recovered a bit, they are still very volatile. Fox is slightly larger than Sony (as a whole) in total market capitalization. Buying even a part of Fox would require significant funding, and I just don't see that happening.

Fox has the James Bond home video distribution rights, and Sony doesn't want to get too distanced from that property. I believe their interest in Fox lies there.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Sony was in real danger of damaging the Spider-Man brand.

Just this simple statement illustrates that Sony is more reasonable than Fox. Fox has driven FF completely into the ground and they seem to have no intention of letting Marvel help them fix things.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

I do have to question why any entity aside from Marvel would want the Fantastic Four. The brand is box-office poison and the last film bombed. They would have to invest money to buy the film rights. Once that's done, they would have to invest more money into producing a film, which means directors, actors, sets, cameras, etc. And again, its not clear if the new film will make any money.

At least Marvel Studios can put the FF under its brand, which would help the reboot a lot. What can these other entities do with the Fantastic Four film rights?

 

[Surfer]

I do have to question why any entity aside from Marvel would want the Fantastic Four. The brand is box-office poison and the last film bombed. They would have to invest money to buy the film rights. Once that's done, they would have to invest more money into producing a film, which means directors, actors, sets, cameras, etc. And again, its not clear if the new film will make any money.

At least Marvel Studios can put the FF under its brand, which would help the reboot a lot. What can these other entities do with the Fantastic Four film rights?

A valid point, but fox might be trying to do a combo sale where they are more selling the X-Men rights a franchise that has been pretty successful and throwing the Fantastic Four rights in with it as part of the sale. It's hard to know how they are trying to approach things, but even if they were combining the two you would still think Disney would be willing to pay more then any other studio, because they most likely are the only one that would want both franchises. Every other studio would be most likely taking Fantastic Four reluctantly and only because they wanted X-men.

But I guess time will tell.

Surfer

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I do have to question why any entity aside from Marvel would want the Fantastic Four. The brand is box-office poison and the last film bombed. They would have to invest money to buy the film rights. Once that's done, they would have to invest more money into producing a film, which means directors, actors, sets, cameras, etc. And again, its not clear if the new film will make any money.

At least Marvel Studios can put the FF under its brand, which would help the reboot a lot. What can these other entities do with the Fantastic Four film rights?

Man I agree. I can't see a single studio who could make something worthwhile of this property other than Marvel Studios. It is so tainted and toxic now it's ridiculous. The franchise can't stand yet another blow.

If these characters ever get a movie again whoever makes it needs to not just make a decent or even "good" movie - they need to knock it out of the freaking park. Go big or go home. An FF film has to reverse perception and make some coin. Otherwise the FF universe will never see the budget it truly deserves and demands. Things like Subterranea, Atlantis, the Negative Zone and Galactus devourer of worlds - if done properly - would be a jaw dropping experience for movie goers.

But to deliver this kind of film is a risky proposition. Marvel is the only studio I think who would take that risk and actually stand a chance of succeeding.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Making a "low budget FF movie" is in of itself an oxymoron and Fantfourstick was one of the worst ideas ever conceived.