The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - Part 13

[DyfeddRex]

I don't think Iger holds anywhere close to 7%. Dude would be listed in Forbes billionaire list if he held that much. And he's not. He's not even worth 1B, he doesn't even own 1% of the company.

https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/#version:static_country:United States

The biggest individual shareholder of Disney is either George Lucas, Isaac Perlmutter, or Laurene Jobs. Jobs was a clear number 1 until she halved her shares earlier this year and now we don't know because if you own less than 5% you don't have to publicly declare it. Therefore we don't know if she divested more shares (or bought more). Likewise, we don't know - and have never known - if Lucas or Perlmutter have divested or bought more DIS shares.

Berkshire Hathaway used to have a pretty good stake, not sure if they still do, think they were 5ish, but that might have changed.

 

[SyntaxError]

It's going to happen. Most likely even before Infinity War comes out.

I am sure the deal is ahead and Disney want to keep it under wraps for now until the right time...SDCC 2018 or Marvel Event # 2...

When they announce the names of the films for Phase 4...SDCC 2018 is the best bet imho. Biggest stage possible.

With DCEU looking like it will eventually fold, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney bought DC from WB in the next decade and rebooted the DCU in the RIGHT way and eventually do a Marvel Vs DC crossover RIGHT.

thats not happening, ever.

 

[DyfeddRex]

thats not happening, ever.

Agreed. The animated side and TV sides of DC's work are doing too well to sell, and they need it for the CW.

 

[SyntaxError]

Agreed. The animated side and TV sides of DC's work are doing too well to sell, and they need it for the CW.

DC IP is way too valuable for WB to sell, unless they go bankrupt (near impossible considering their market position) or the AT&T acquisition goes crazy haywire.

 

[ADollarADay]

Berkshire Hathaway used to have a pretty good stake, not sure if they still do, think they were 5ish, but that might have changed.

It's one of Buffet's few doh moments. He bought 5% of the company for 4MM in 1966 and sold them a year later for a 50% gain, but long term that would have netted him 12B+.

Buffet messed up on DIS again in 1996 when he gained another 21 million shares of the company worth ~337MM when Disney bought ABC. He divested them over time. Those shares would today be worth ~2.3B, leaving ~2B on the table.

 

[ADollarADay]

Even the Mouse and Marvel couldn't prevent leaks that long.

This deal, if done, look for a major presser by both sides, joint maybe, and if the portion for ANH and the Marvel rights is separate, to prevent that from being canned by a nixed deal at SEC/DOJ, then Marvel and Lucas. That is your sign, a series of Press conferences announced, in rapid succession. Marvel/Lucas might just do a Webcast thing on it, to show off fast, and test the Disney streaming service platform, if ready.

Disneyflix is not coming out until 2019 because of the movies tied up to netflix in the us. They could, of course, launch overseas first.

 

[DyfeddRex]

Disneyflix is not coming out until 2019 because of the movies tied up to netflix in the us. They could, of course, launch overseas first.

But, using that platform, in beta mode for a livecast event? Trial basis? Or for replays of the event for free, not in the closed cash up front system?

They might.

 

[Dasher10]

So, anyone realize that this means that Marvel now get access to A-list heroes like Cyclops, Storm, Wolverine, Deadpool, Rogue, Gambit, Jean Grey and Cable? And some really cool B-listers like Psylocke, Fantomex, Archangel, Domino, Forge, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Warpath, Emma Frost, Multiple Man and Bishop? And a Darkhawk film is now possible. And we get the Shi'Ar, Phalanx and Brood in future Guardians films.

And with the Fantastic Four back, we also get Doctor Doom and Silver Surfer who can headline their own films. That along with villains like Annihilus, Galactus and Super Skrull.

And we can get GW Bridge and Abigail Brand on Agents of SHIELD. Juggernaut can fight Spider-Man and Doctor Strange. Kang can menace the Avengers.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well it doesn't mean that yet. And even if the deal goes through, we could be years away from seeing any of those characters. Like 2020 at the EARLIEST. And that could be a generous estimate.

 

[spider-neil]

So, anyone realize that this means that Marvel now get access to A-list heroes like Cyclops, Storm, Wolverine, Deadpool, Rogue, Gambit, Jean Grey and Cable? And some really cool B-listers like Psylocke, Fantomex, Archangel, Domino, Forge, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Warpath, Emma Frost, Multiple Man and Bishop? And a Darkhawk film is now possible. And we get the Shi'Ar, Phalanx and Brood in future Guardians films.

And with the Fantastic Four back, we also get Doctor Doom and Silver Surfer who can headline their own films. That along with villains like Annihilus, Galactus and Super Skrull.

And we can get GW Bridge and Abigail Brand on Agents of SHIELD. Juggernaut can fight Spider-Man and Doctor Strange. Kang can menace the Avengers.

Spider-Man vs the Juggernaut is one of the best Spider-Man stories ever and is now a (distant) possibility rather than a now impossible dream.

Another of the best Spider-Man stories ever is Wolverine vs Spider-Man. Is also a possibility but won't happen as that movie would have to be a hard R.

 

[spider-neil]

Well it doesn't mean that yet. And even if the deal goes through, we could be years away from seeing any of those characters. Like 2020 at the EARLIEST. And that could be a generous estimate.

If the deal goes through I think you will see Fantastic Four cosmic villains as early as Guardians 3. Heck, you saw a Fantastic Four villain in Guardians 2.

 

[Iceman]

So, anyone realize that this means that Marvel now get access to A-list heroes like Cyclops, Storm, Wolverine, Deadpool, Rogue, Gambit, Jean Grey and Cable? And some really cool B-listers like Psylocke, Fantomex, Archangel, Domino, Forge, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Warpath, Emma Frost, Multiple Man and Bishop? And a Darkhawk film is now possible. And we get the Shi'Ar, Phalanx and Brood in future Guardians films.

And with the Fantastic Four back, we also get Doctor Doom and Silver Surfer who can headline their own films. That along with villains like Annihilus, Galactus and Super Skrull.

And we can get GW Bridge and Abigail Brand on Agents of SHIELD. Juggernaut can fight Spider-Man and Doctor Strange. Kang can menace the Avengers.

Of course lol. That’s why we’re all here! There are so many great possibilities for the future.

 

[spider-neil]

Can't Marvel use Kang anyway? Isn't he more an Avengers villain than an FF villain.

 

[Xeno]

If the deal goes through I think you will see Fantastic Four cosmic villains as early as Guardians 3. Heck, you saw a Fantastic Four villain in Guardians 2.

If you're referring to Ego, he was originally a Thor villain. One of my earliest comic book related memories is of Thor and his crew running into The Living Planet as they sailed through space in their cosmic Viking ship. Who knows how he got lumped in with the FF rights package.

 

[Dasher10]

Kang and Thor were part of the Fantastic Four film rights. Kang is still at Fox.

 

[spider-neil]

If you're referring to Ego, he was originally a Thor villain. One of my earliest comic book related memories is of Thor and his crew running into The Living Planet as they sailed through space in their cosmic Viking ship. Who knows how he got lumped in with the FF rights package.

Because the classic Ego stories are in the FF comics.
The classic Kingpin stories are in a Daredevil comics even though Kingpin was introduced in Spider-Man. Hence Kingpin is considered a Daredevil villain.

 

[Xeno]

Kang and Thor were part of the Fantastic Four film rights. Kang is still at Fox.

I don't think that Thor was ever a part of the FF rights deal. Why would he be, when he was a solo character who later became a founder of The Avengers?Kang is with the FF because of his convoluted origin as a time-traveling descendant of the Richards family.

 

[Kanon]

Man, so many possibilities with just the FF characters...

Phase 4: Doom!
Phase 5: The Coming of Galactus
Phase 6: Annihilation

I can't imagine much with the X-Men... bah, I have tons of (maybe) cool ideas, but due to the popularity of the films, there are too many burned bridges there (unless they hard reboot everything)

 

[Iceman]

Man, so many possibilities with just the FF characters...

Phase 4: Doom!
Phase 5: The Coming of Galactus
Phase 6: Annihilation

I can't imagine much with the X-Men... bah, I have tons of (maybe) cool ideas, but due to the popularity of the films, there are too many burned bridges there (unless they hard reboot everything)

Burned bridges with some storylines and villains. Not with most of the X-Men characters themselves outside of a few names done very well as most of those didn't get a look in.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Can't Marvel use Kang anyway? Isn't he more an Avengers villain than an FF villain.

James Gunn at one point said Kang is at FOX, likely because of his history as Rama Tut.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well if Disney get all of the Fox movie and TV section, then using Kang shouldn't be a problem at all. He would make a great Avengers villain.

He could even be an opportunity to have a Flashpoint or Days of Future Past-type semi reset if they ever need to go that way and correct anything or if they want to bring anyone back from the dead.

Or here's an idea. If they wanted to use him in the form of Rama Tut, then they could do a time-travelling Fantastic Four movie which has the Four revisiting various points in previous Marvel movies.

They could be placed into the events of these movies, revisiting films such as Age of Ultron, the Avengers, Iron Man 1 etc, or even going before to the First Avenger or the Hank Pym era of Ant-Man.

That would be a way to have an FF-centric film but still feature guest stars from the rest of the MCU.

It could still even be done with Kang though, and that could be the way he is introduced to the Avengers as a villain too.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Likely, I think the framework of the deal is done. Now it is a matter of crossing various Ts, dotting some Is, etc. Then making sure it passes before announcing anything.

Something of this size will probably have to be scoured with a fine tooth comb by a few major trust companies as well, and that takes time. It's entirely possible this is much farther along than they're making it seem though.

 

[Docker2.0]

Spider-Man vs the Juggernaut is one of the best Spider-Man stories ever and is now a (distant) possibility rather than a now impossible dream.

Another of the best Spider-Man stories ever is Wolverine vs Spider-Man. Is also a possibility but won't happen as that movie would have to be a hard R.

I don't know why but I loved to see Spidey go up against Juggernaut and Hulk. Here's hoping in one of these movies that it happens. Would love to see a Spidey/Hulk team up.

 

[Big Bang]

DC IP is way too valuable for WB to sell, unless they go bankrupt (near impossible considering their market position) or the AT&T acquisition goes crazy haywire.

Even if the AT&T deal were to fall apart, that in light of Disney/Fox Comcast would be all over Time Warner trying like mad to get a deal done there. Not that they'd have an easier time, but I'd expect them to attempt something.

Whatever comes of Fox & Disney's dealings I suspect someone will pursue Viacom next.

 

[Orba]

Man, so many possibilities with just the FF characters...

Phase 4: Doom!
Phase 5: The Coming of Galactus
Phase 6: Annihilation

I can't imagine much with the X-Men... bah, I have tons of (maybe) cool ideas, but due to the popularity of the films, there are too many burned bridges there (unless they hard reboot everything)

The best villain to use for the first MCU X-Men film would be Sinister, his interest in Mutant genetics would make him an easy source of exposition on the history of Mutants in the MCU.