The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - Part 13

[Willie Lumpkin]

Willie...........not to be nitpicking but I can kind of see Leo's point. You can find just as many images of Storm being "dark" as there is as many of her being exotic. Again, I have no dog in this fight, could careless if she's light or dark but I kind of agree with Leo.

Besides.....jaymes said Thanos didn't look good in the IW trailer. Dude can't tell me that the sky is blue from this point.

I don't know the character and I'm not taking any sides.

I'm just enjoying the show. In other words, don't stop. I probably shouldn't have commented lest I disrupt the flow.

 

[Darepool]

What makes you think that Disney wont focus on Wolverine? It stands to reason they would. I bet money any team up Avengers film first and foremost every time. They also would not start with the original team like some are suggesting but with one that includes Logan 100%. In fact he could end up being like he used to be in the comics over saturated as hell.

And I'm not random either but what does that have to do with anything?

Of course Wolverine will play a huge factor, he's a star, but they'll legitimize the other members of the X-Men beyond what Fox have done.

I don't really care if they start with the original team, like 95% of X-Men fans, the team that really mattered started in 1975.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Willie...........not to be nitpicking but I can kind of see Leo's point. You can find just as many images of Storm being "dark" as there is as many of her being exotic. Again, I have no dog in this fight, could careless if she's light or dark but I kind of agree with Leo.

Besides.....jaymes said Thanos didn't look good in the IW trailer. Dude can't tell me that the sky is blue from this point.

edit: Genuine question, do you only agree with the Leo guy because he is on your "side" thinking Disney is perfect and shouldn't be challenged or criticized?

Thanos looked pretty bad like a painted purple Bruce Willis.

 

[Darepool]

Thanos looked pretty bad like a painted purple Bruce Willis.

Whatever makes you feel better. You probably got that from the Brit girl on youtube who thinks Bucky will marry her. You must have also been poisoned by bad CGI with the DC' films. Terrible.

*Disney* owned ILM for the win.

Technical award incoming. More salt on the wounds.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Of course Wolverine will play a huge factor, he's a star, but they'll legitimize the other members of the X-Men beyond what Fox have done.

I don't really care if they start with the original team, like 95% of X-Men fans, the team that really mattered started in 1975.

I never said that any of that wasn't possible and I know most will be improved just based on the time. Wolverine could also just as easily turn out just the same as Fox mistakes as Marvel initially did that with Tony too.

I don't care either as I think GS is the best team. It's just hilarious to see people living in a rainbow lally pop world where they're going to make The X-Men completely comic accurate in the MCU. I haven't seen one adaption that at least one or two (or five) characters weren't completely overhauled from their comic counterpart (for better or worse).

 

[ludovica]

I'm sorry, but it's funny that people will argue about hypothetical piled on top of hypothetical piled on top of hypothetical... and then make it about the tiniest detail.

I was fine with Johnny going from blonde-haired, blue-eyed white guy to black guy. Is the shade of Storm's skin really a critical aspect of her character? The shade of people's skin changes dramatically just depending on how long they've been in the sun, right?

You are right that arguing to this degree on hypotheticals is going nowhere, but regarding Storm: her being a darker shade than most Afroamerican actresses would be a different kind of representation, one that would matter to the black community and to the African diaspora at large.

 

[Darepool]

I never said that any of that wasn't possible and I know most will be improved just based on the time. Wolverine could also just as easily turn out just the same as Fox mistakes as Marvel initially did that with Tony too.

Well OK, but remember that Fox and Sony had the big guns at that time, so the fact that IM broke out was insurance for them. Now that the universe is populated with proven draws (which they built up themselves as they would the other X-Men) as well as getting Spidey, little chance the same mistake is made.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Well OK, but remember that Fox and Sony had the big guns at that time, so the fact that IM broke out was insurance for them. Now that the universe is populated with proven draws (which they built up themselves as they would the other X-Men) as well as getting Spidey, little chance the same mistake is made.

I would see your point more if Disney didn't use Tony's personality as a blueprint for almost all of the newer male leading characters (playboy/manchild/comedic) even if it departs from the source material greatly. They are still trying to insure their film success with the Tony Stark appeal just in other ways.
Think of it as "they can get rid of Tony in the future because we have back up ones"

I for one don't want a Tony light version of Wolverine (shudders at the thought).

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Thanos looked pretty bad like a painted purple Bruce Willis.

I'm finding it a little odd that I'm finding CGI characters to be more distracting than they used to be - including Thanos.

When we first started seeing characters like Gollum and And Ang Lee's Hulk, they had their flaws, but they were generally impressive, and the technology should just be getting better and better.

But I seem to be finding the flaws in CGI characters more and more distracting. Korg bothered me at times and Thanos didn't look great to me in the trailer and Hulk in Ragnarok had some shaky moments.

I guess it's probably because fully CGI characters are becoming more and more common with more screen time and it's no longer a brief scene that artists can spend months perfecting.

I also feel like the more human a character is, the more I notice it (a variation of 'uncanny valley'?), and Thanos and Hulk are both generally human, so I think they're more of an issue than Rocket, for example.

But I can't help feeling like we should be to the point that we can't even tell if a character is CGI, and it still seems glaringly obvious to me more times than I'd like, and yes, Thanos didn't quite knock my socks off. Acceptable, but not "Wow!".

 

[Big Bang]

You are right that arguing to this degree on hypotheticals is going nowhere, but regarding Storm: her being a darker shade than most Afroamerican actresses would be a different kind of representation, one that would matter to the black community and to the African diaspora at large.

I'm finding the whole judging the character by the shade of their skin to be just incredibly silly.

 

[ludovica]

I'm finding the whole judging the character by the shade of their skin to be just incredibly silly.

Of course, but casting a Lupita type would be a welcomed change.
It's not essential but would be nice.

 

[Big Bang]

Of course, but casting a Lupita type would be a welcomed change.
It's not essential but would be nice.

People don't care about the shade of skin a person is. It doesn't matter. How well the actor portrays the character is what matters most.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

People don't care about the shade of skin a person is. It doesn't matter. How well the actor portrays the character is what matters most.

Yeah no sorry dark skin/light skin is a thing in our community.


If they tried to pass off a light skin black panther it wouldn't have went well.

 

[Big Bang]

Yeah no sorry dark skin/light skin is a thing in our community.


If they tried to pass off a light skin black panther it wouldn't have went well.

So much for content of character then, eh? Community has issues then.

 

[ludovica]

So much for content of character then, eh? Community has issues then.

Standardization of beauty and cultural repression are a thing both in reality and on the silver screen.
You may not care/know and I think this may not be the place to have that conversation but obviously it's going over your head what our point is.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

So much for content of character then, eh? Community has issues then.

Idk maybe you just don't understand things within African American community. Colorism is a real thing

 

[Big Bang]

Standardization of beauty and cultural repression are a thing both in reality and on the silver screen.

No argument there, but arguing that the solution to that is that the individual wishing to play a character be collectivized to another specific standard is not an answer.

You may not care

Quite the opposite really, which is why I will challenge assertions from any side.

and I think this may not be the place to have that conversation but obviously it's going over your head what our point is.

Likely not, but thanks for personal attack anyway.

Idk maybe you just don't understand things within African American community. Colorism is a real thing

When Chadwick Boseman or any of the other characters were cast for the BP film, I highly doubt anyone at the studio took pigmentation measurements to make sure they were racially qualified for their respective roles. Instead they were all treated as individuals based on each of their own talents. Point is that in the face of issues such as Colorism, etc, people with those predetermined mindsets should be challenged to view and treat people as individuals. Same goes for racism.

IIRC, a wise man from that community even once publicly asked for such consideration.

 

[GoblinScrier]

This is one of MANY Doom moments that needs to happen in the future after his own "homecoming" to the MCU...

 

[Frankeh]

I for one don't want a Tony light version of Wolverine (shudders at the thought).

That's never going to happen because Wolverine being himself is already popular.

You can compare Wolverine to Iron Man all you want, but the fact of the matter is Captain America stands out in both Avengers movies, especially as a leader. Can you say the same for Cyclops in the original trilogy? Nope.

That's enough to not believe Marvel would repeat those mistakes. Not to mention that just as with Spider-Man, Marvel will want to offer a different product than what Fox has been offering.

 

[Big Bang]

This is one of MANY Doom moments that needs to happen in the future after his own "homecoming" to the MCU...

The idea of him being introduced by just sitting on his throne silently brooding is one I'm rather fond of.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Idk maybe you just don't understand things within African American community. Colorism is a real thing

So take away from people with lighter skin to appease daker skinned black people? That comes across bad on your end. They all should have the opportunity. Idgaf as long as the person is of African American or black decent, a great actor and looks visually like the comics character.

There are women who are lighter skin and darker skin that fit that bill. How insecure are some people if they can't take a light skinned Storm? I genuinely never knew there was such outrage over Halle being of mixed race playing Ororo until now...

 

[Big Bang]

That's never going to happen because Wolverine being himself is already popular.

You can compare Wolverine to Iron Man all you want, but the fact of the matter is Captain America stands out in both Avengers movies, especially as a leader. Can you say the same for Cyclops in the original trilogy? Nope.

That's enough to not believe Marvel would repeat those mistakes. Not to mention that just as with Spider-Man, Marvel will want to offer a different product than what Fox has been offering.

I was watching X2 last night, and couldn't but be reminded how they seemed to go out of their way to make a fool of Cyclops or just under utilize him. I remember years back being turned off by that, and by the constant use of Wolverine.

 

[GoblinScrier]

The idea of him being introduced by just sitting on his throne silently brooding is one I'm rather fond of.

I agree 10000%

Like this???

 

[ludovica]

Likely not, but thanks for personal attack anyway.

That was not a personal attack and you are in fact demonstrating you don't get the issue here. Whatever.

So take away from people with lighter skin

The point is more or less that the reverse almost always happens.

 

[The Infernal]

I'm reminded of the comments about Ultron sitting in his shroud meeting Scarlet Witch. The comparisons to Fant4stic's crash test dummy were being made.