The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - Part 13

[Big Bang]

I saw this on Twitter this morning and have been meaning to repost here, but forgot until just now:

LOL.Well played.

 

[Dark Raven]

It's really sort of funny in hindsight and interesting to think about the tricks my brain plays on me.

I watched it a couple times yesterday and those moments I thought showed Thanos speaking were really throwing me and making me feel like Thanos wasn't working.

Then this morning I watched it with no sound and it suddenly worked a lot better and the visuals on Thanos looked really good. I couldn't figure out why there was such a contrast with and without the sound, but it was the way my brain was perceiving the sound and assuming I was watching the scene in which he was actually speaking, and that didn't match up.

It's probably not an issue with people who aren't as dumb as me.

In Spider-Man Homecoming, in the trailer it looks like Tony is walking along with Peter and telling him to forget the flying winged man (or whatever he said). But the walking was from the end of the movie when he was going to lead him into that room where he would announce Spidey as an Avenger, and the flying man bit was from another part of the movie (maybe when he was off in that other country (India?) and just doing a remote call via the armour with Peter.

So I think all trailers mix and match sounds and pictures just to create a narrative which won't necessarily even be the plot in the final film.

 

[The Infernal]

That's the perfect team of X-men to bring into the MCU in my opinion.

 

[Dark Raven]

This is one of MANY Doom moments that needs to happen in the future after his own "homecoming" to the MCU...

I think Secret Wars would be a great way to introduce the X-Men and possibly Fantastic Four into the MCU. If all the heroes are transported to a battleworld and meet characters they've never met before from different worlds, that could be some interesting interactions. They'd also face villains they've never encountered before too.

The original Secret Wars was all mostly from one earth or one planet. They could expand the scope and say that the heroes and villains are collected from multiple earths or from some other planets.

Then at the end, maybe when they're trying to get home, they can only find a way to get back to the regular MCU earth, so everyone has no choice but to go there, or stay on Battleworld. That would allow for a lot of refugees from other planets or earths.

 

[Boom]

Even if they retire the Big Three after Avengers 4, acquiring 20th Century Fox gives them a strong roster for Phase 4 and beyond.

Ant-Man
Black Panther
Captain Marvel
Doctor Strange
Fantastic Four
Guardians of the Galaxy
Silver Surfer
Spider-Man
Wasp
X-Men

 

[TheVileOne]

In Spider-Man Homecoming, in the trailer it looks like Tony is walking along with Peter and telling him to forget the flying winged man (or whatever he said). But the walking was from the end of the movie when he was going to lead him into that room where he would announce Spidey as an Avenger, and the flying man bit was from another part of the movie (maybe when he was off in that other country (India?) and just doing a remote call via the armour with Peter.

So I think all trailers mix and match sounds and pictures just to create a narrative which won't necessarily even be the plot in the final film.

Creative tricky editing to throw us off that trailers are well known for as of late.

 

[Xeno]

 

[DyfeddRex]

I still say the intro of our first family to the rest of the MCU and fans should come as the Hulk throws a punch at something just off screen, and his arm just stops dead, then moves back, slowly. The Green Goliath begins to look back and forth, between his backing arm and what holds it, then, just as the hand that caught his fist comes into view, or a second before it, he yells. "Hulk smash ugly thing!"

As the orange, rocky hand holding Hulks fist enters camera, a gravelly voice off screen corrects him. "Ever loving, blue-eyed Thing, pal!"

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I still say the intro of our first family to the rest of the MCU and fans should come as the Hulk throws a punch at something just off screen, and his arm just stops dead, then moves back, slowly. The Green Goliath begins to look back and forth, between his backing arm and what holds it, then, just as the hand that caught his fist comes into view, or a second before it, he yells. "Hulk smash ugly thing!"

As the orange, rocky hand holding Hulks fist enters camera, a gravelly voice off screen corrects him. "Ever loving, blue-eyed Thing, pal!"

This seems like too much to hope for.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I'd like to see Torch debut in 2019 for Spider-Man: Homecoming II as the new best friend. The teenage version of Cap & Bucky.

 

[ADollarADay]

With the Thanos reveal, I think half the audience wondered: “Who’s that?”, but I think even the casual fans will recognize Doom.

Doubtful.

I had no idea who Doom was prior to me starting paying attention to CBMs a couple of years back (even though I had watched the 2005 movie because of Jessica Alba lol). If you told me to think "Doom" back then, I would have thought of the videogame. To this day, the acronym FF usually makes me think of Final Fantasy and not Fantastic Four, even though I haven't gamed seriously in a few years.

One of my friends was asking me this past week if I had watched the new Avengers with Batman and Wonder Woman (she was talking about Justice League). The casual fan knows the aforementioned two, Superman, Spider-man, and maybe Iron-man and Captain America nowadays, along with the Avengers and maybe a couple of others like Deadpool and Harley Quinn. Anything beyond that is not common knowledge to the casual fan IMO. Back in the days I could have included X-Men and Wolverine, but not today.

I mean it's not much different than people who don't know videogames being ignorant to characters who are very known in the gaming community. You said you don't pay attention to video games, without looking it up, do you know who Link is? Nathan Drake? Marcus Fenix? Solid Snake? Kirby? Joel and Ellie? Gamers are appalled when people don't know those characters and some others. The casual audience just knows Mario, Luigi, Pokemon, Halo, Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty. They may not even know who Master Chief is.

It's no different with comic book characters.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Doom is one of the most iconic supervillains though, even without ever having a good cinematic portrayal

 

[ADollarADay]

Doom is one of the most iconic supervillains though, even without ever having a good cinematic portrayal

No debate there. However, most casual fans won't know him because of a lack of good cinematic portrayal. The Joker, for instance, is as famous as he is in good part because of Nicholson and Ledger's performances interpreting the character.

However, give Dr. Doom 3-4 films under Feige and a marketing/merchandise push by the mouse and he would be just as known to casual audiences as he is to hardcore fans.

 

[Docker2.0]

Doubtful.

I had no idea who Doom was prior to me starting paying attention to CBMs a couple of years back (even though I had watched the 2005 movie because of Jessica Alba lol). If you told me to think "Doom" back then, I would have thought of the videogame. To this day, the acronym FF usually makes me think of Final Fantasy and not Fantastic Four, even though I haven't gamed seriously in a few years.

One of my friends was asking me this past week if I had watched the new Avengers with Batman and Wonder Woman (she was talking about Justice League). The casual fan knows the aforementioned two, Superman, Spider-man, and maybe Iron-man and Captain America nowadays, along with the Avengers and maybe a couple of others like Deadpool and Harley Quinn. Anything beyond that is not common knowledge to the casual fan IMO. Back in the days I could have included X-Men and Wolverine, but not today.

I mean it's not much different than people who don't know videogames being ignorant to characters who are very known in the gaming community. You said you don't pay attention to video games, without looking it up, do you know who Link is? Nathan Drake? Marcus Fenix? Solid Snake? Kirby? Joel and Ellie? Gamers are appalled when people don't know those characters and some others. The casual audience just knows Mario, Luigi, Pokemon, Halo, Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty. They may not even know who Master Chief is.

It's no different with comic book characters.

Dr Doom is probably more famous than his counterparts the F4. His mask alone is iconic. The GA does know him from other medias alone besides the movies. Because you didn't know him doesn't speak much for the general audience.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Doubtful.

I had no idea who Doom was prior to me starting paying attention to CBMs a couple of years back (even though I had watched the 2005 movie because of Jessica Alba lol). If you told me to think "Doom" back then, I would have thought of the videogame. To this day, the acronym FF usually makes me think of Final Fantasy and not Fantastic Four, even though I haven't gamed seriously in a few years.

One of my friends was asking me this past week if I had watched the new Avengers with Batman and Wonder Woman (she was talking about Justice League). The casual fan knows the aforementioned two, Superman, Spider-man, and maybe Iron-man and Captain America nowadays, along with the Avengers and maybe a couple of others like Deadpool and Harley Quinn. Anything beyond that is not common knowledge to the casual fan IMO. Back in the days I could have included X-Men and Wolverine, but not today.

I mean it's not much different than people who don't know videogames being ignorant to characters who are very known in the gaming community. You said you don't pay attention to video games, without looking it up, do you know who Link is? Nathan Drake? Marcus Fenix? Solid Snake? Kirby? Joel and Ellie? Gamers are appalled when people don't know those characters and some others. The casual audience just knows Mario, Luigi, Pokemon, Halo, Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty. They may not even know who Master Chief is.

It's no different with comic book characters.

Doom is one of the most iconic supervillains though, even without ever having a good cinematic portrayal

There might be a shift around age 30, but most people close to my age (let's say 40-50) who have never picked up a comic book know Iron Man and Thor and Hulk... and Doom, because they've seen them on T-Shirts, they've seen them on drinking glasses, they've seen them on posters and they've seen them in cartoons.

I've seen Doom in Cartoons and on T-shirts etc. I can't recall ever seeing a Thanos T-shirt.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Dr Doom is probably more famous than his counterparts the F4. His mask alone is iconic. The GA does know him from other medias alone besides the movies. Because you didn't know him doesn't speak much for the general audience.

I think he's bigger, in some ways, than Spider-man. If you were a Thor fan, you know Doom. If you were an Iron-man, Spider-man etc. fan, you know Doom.

No matter what comic books you read or what cartoons you watched, Doom was in them.

 

[Iceman]

That's the perfect team of X-men to bring into the MCU in my opinion.

Would be a great way to start things off!

 

[Iceman]

I think he's bigger, in some ways, than Spider-man. If you were a Thor fan, you know Doom. If you were an Iron-man, Spider-man etc. fan, you know Doom.

No matter what comic books you read or what cartoons you watched, Doom was in them.

But all those people know Spider-man too along with most people's grans. t:

 

[ADollarADay]

Dr Doom is probably more famous than his counterparts the F4. His mask alone is iconic. The GA does know him from other medias alone besides the movies. Because you didn't know him doesn't speak much for the general audience.

I would think the GA would mainly know "Fantastic Four". After that they may know some of the individual members of the lore, including Doom, some by name and some by general description.

I think he's bigger, in some ways, than Spider-man. If you were a Thor fan, you know Doom. If you were an Iron-man, Spider-man etc. fan, you know Doom.

No matter what comic books you read or what cartoons you watched, Doom was in them.

100% no chance that Doom is bigger, in any way, than Spider-man.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'd like to see Torch debut in 2019 for Spider-Man: Homecoming II as the new best friend. The teenage version of Cap & Bucky.

Marvel need to go back in time and get Chris Evans from when he was young and playing in these teen movies with Scarlett Johansson. That version of him can play Johnny Storm.

He definitely had the personality of the Torch right for the Story movies.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

100% no chance that Doom is bigger, in any way, than Spider-man.

He's bigger in exactly the way I said. I've read FAR more comic books that featured Dr. Doom than I have read comic books that featured Spider-Man and there are a lot of people like me, who never read Spider-Man specifically, but whatever Marvel character they did read (or watched in cartoons) likely fought Dr. Doom on multiple occasions.

Dr. Doom is bigger to me than Spider-Man, so your absolute of him not being bigger in "any way" is false right there. He's bigger to me (and many FF fans), so he's bigger in that way. And then when you add in Iron Man fans, Thor fans, Daredevil fans etc. etc. etc. who never read Spider-Man, that's a lot of people.

 

[Docker2.0]

I would think the GA would mainly know "Fantastic Four". After that they may know some of the individual members of the lore, including Doom, some by name and some by general description.



100% no chance that Doom is bigger, in any way, than Spider-man.

Doubt it. Doom is really the villian for every hero in the MCU. He's even had music groups and songs made about him. Been the big, bad in numerous video games and cartoons, again, not just F4 but all over the Marvel universe. He has actually superceded the F4 as far as popularity.

He's bigger in exactly the way I said. I've read FAR more comic books that featured Dr. Doom than I have read comic books that featured Spider-Man and there are a lot of people like me, who never read Spider-Man specifically, but whatever Marvel character they did read (or watched in cartoons) likely fought Dr. Doom on multiple occasions.

Dr. Doom is bigger to me than Spider-Man, so your absolute of him not being bigger in "any way" is false right there. He's bigger to me (and many FF fans), so he's bigger in that way. And then when you add in Iron Man fans, Thor fans, Daredevil fans etc. etc. etc. who never read Spider-Man, that's a lot of people.

Yep! Dude has fought any and every being in the Marvel universe. From super powered beings to cosmic entities, dude doesn't care. He could probably have his own stand alone film and it would do well............under Marvel, not under Fox.

 

[ADollarADay]

He's bigger in exactly the way I said. I've read FAR more comic books that featured Dr. Doom than I have read comic books that featured Spider-Man and there are a lot of people like me, who never read Spider-Man specifically, but whatever Marvel character they did read (or watched in cartoons) likely fought Dr. Doom on multiple occasions.

Dr. Doom is bigger to me than Spider-Man, so your absolute of him not being bigger in "any way" is false right there. He's bigger to me (and many FF fans), so he's bigger in that way. And then when you add in Iron Man fans, Thor fans, Daredevil fans etc. etc. etc. who never read Spider-Man, that's a lot of people.

Dude, we are talking about the general audience, let's not change the narrative. Looking at it objectively, there's not one place where Doom is bigger than Spider-Man. That's not a knock on Doom, Spiderman is just one of the most recognizable and liked IPs out there. I doubt that today Dr. Doom is bigger anywhere than someone like Dr. Strange or Ant Man, let alone Spider-Man.

Subjectively, i.e. you liking Doom more than Spider-Man, is different and can't be quantified. Wolverine is my favorite character, but I won't go as far as say he is bigger than Deadpool, and definitely won't say he's bigger than Spiderman in any way. I would never make that argument, but you are free to make a similar one with Doom - Spiderman.

And Marvel got kids knowing who Thanos is, and being excited to see him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogjht6OtaFQ

So, Marvel could make Dr. Doom huge, I truly believe that. However, they will only do that if they get full rights to him.

Doubt it. Doom is really the villian for every hero in the MCU. He's even had music groups and songs made about him. Been the big, bad in numerous video games and cartoons, again, not just F4 but all over the Marvel universe. He has actually superceded the F4 as far as popularity.

Yep! Dude has fought any and every being in the Marvel universe. From super powered beings to cosmic entities, dude doesn't care. He could probably have his own stand alone film and it would do well............under Marvel, not under Fox.

If Marvel gets his rights back, I'm sure he'll be hugely popular. Today though, he's just not that popular to the general audience. Sad, but true.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Spider-Man is the face of Marvel - period.

But Dr. Doom is almost as iconic. I mean he was the inspiration for Darth Vader - one of the biggest pop culture icons there is.

Pre-CBM era, I would have ranked Doom up there, along with Hulk, Wolverine, the Thing, and probably Captain America as quintessential symbols of the Marvel brand. Characters like Iron Man, Thor, etc. have only become more popular in recent years - thanks to the films.

Deadpool is tremendously popular also these days (I don't like him personally) but he seems to have gained steam during the CBM era.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Dude, we are talking about the general audience, let's not change the narrative.

No. I said:

I think he's bigger, in some ways, than Spider-man. If you were a Thor fan, you know Doom. If you were an Iron-man, Spider-man etc. fan, you know Doom.

No matter what comic books you read or what cartoons you watched, Doom was in them.

Which was clearly not about the general audience but about fans of specific characters. You responded after that clearly qualified statement (and actually quoted that statement):

100% no chance that Doom is bigger, in any way, than Spider-man.

So I felt I needed to reword it because you didn't seem to be getting what I was saying.