The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - Part 13

[Big Bang]

Iger is the best closer in the industry, he'll get this done. Pixar, Marvel, Lucasfilm, Fox is next.

That would be one hell of a bookend to his career. Making Star Wars whole, and bringing a huge chunk of Marvel's characters back completely under their roof. Adding Avatar, and a host of other properties.

In terms of CEO's what he has accomplished in his tenure is really something else considering where the company stood when he took over.

 

[First Avenger]

Infinity War trailer plus F4 and X-Men coming to the MCU in less than a month would be freaking surreal.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Infinity War trailer plus F4 and X-Men coming to the MCU in less than a month would be freaking surreal.

With plenty of time to add the FF into the reshoots for Avengers 4

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

With plenty of time to add the FF into the reshoots for Avengers 4

I was thinking about that, but even if the deal is finalized before the end of the month, it will take quite a while to finalize it.

... but they could shoot some scenes and then either use them or not depending on the status at the time of the final edit.

Another possibility is Disney could say: "We agree to pay X billion for the studio assets, but we'd like to structure it in two separate deals. The first deal will give us Star Wars, X-Men, FF and Avatar for $Y, so we can have all those locked down while the larger deal is being scrutinized."

 

[Dasher10]

My guess is that Phase 4 is going to move the spotlight away from the Avengers entirely and it'll be all about the X-Men and Cosmic heroes (Guardians, Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer origin story far in the past, Ravagers spin-off far in the future) and Noah Hawley's Doctor Doom film still in production and set in the 90s. X-Men films will stay in production in their own universe until Phase 4 ends with a massive event film where reality itself is destroyed and every Marvel hero must band together to build a new universe.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

That Dr. Doom movie dies the minute Marvel gets the rights back. Its not happening.

 

[wobbly]

The thought is very exciting, but don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

Agreed. I'll celebrate when/if it's official, and not before.

 

[Stark Bauer]

The idea of him being introduced by just sitting on his throne silently brooding is one I'm rather fond of.

just what we need..another lazy mega villain sitting on a throne lol

I prefer this

OR

(More heroic looking)

 

[Stark Bauer]

This seems like too much to hope for.

If Feige stays for the rest of the films up to the end...

you can count on an iconic battle and introduction of Thing.

also re: Doom has the potential to be a bigger villain than Darth Vader (ironically since Vader is based off Doom).

 

[Big Bang]

just what we need..another lazy mega villain sitting on a throne lol

Well, he could always rise up from his throne and then do an epic pose.

 

[Dasher10]

That Dr. Doom movie dies the minute Marvel gets the rights back. Its not happening.

Why are you so against it? Noah Hawley is awesome and Doom really does need his own film since he's Marvel's best villain. Doom was held back in all his other appearances by being tied the the FF's origin. Doom solo film allows him to have time to establish himself. Get Hawley to rework his screenplay to fit into the MCU's established continuity. Avengers 4 is the end for the current characters for a phase when the contracts have expired and the characters are written out for half a decade. The only character confirmed to have a sequel is Spider-Man. The only characters rumored for sequels are Black Widow, Doctor Strange, Thor and The Guardians of the Galaxy. There's been no talk of new films for Iron Man or Captain America. There's been confirmation that the War Machine film has been canceled. Hulk is confirmed to not be getting a sequel. There's never been any talk of solo films for Hawkeye, Falcon, Scarlet Witch or Vision.

It's highly likely based on the age of the actors that Iron Man, War Machine and Hulk will die. It's also likely that we'll see something happen to Captain America as well given that Chris Evans' contract is up but Sebastian Stan's isn't. There's more than enough room to do a Doom film before a Fantastic Four reboot and then drop Doom in Doctor Strange 2 and Black Panther 2 and adapt Triumph and Torment and Doomwar.

I'd also do something with the Thunderbolts and have Zemo stage a jailbreak and form a replacement team for the Avengers until the old ones can be recasted without people comparing them to the old actors. Phase 4 needs to be about Doom, Silver Surfer and Zemo. Give villains who aren't Loki some actual character development.

 

[Darepool]

I certainly wouldn't be against a Hawley Doom film, that would be awesome, but it would likely need to be reworked a bit in order to be part of a larger universe. That was a ways off anyway so it's not like it's a major issue at this point.

He may not interested going forward.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Why are you so against it? Noah Hawley is awesome and Doom really does need his own film since he's Marvel's best villain. Doom was held back in all his other appearances by being tied the the FF's origin. Doom solo film allows him to have time to establish himself. Get Hawley to rework his screenplay to fit into the MCU's established continuity. Avengers 4 is the end for the current characters for a phase when the contracts have expired and the characters are written out for half a decade. The only character confirmed to have a sequel is Spider-Man. The only characters rumored for sequels are Black Widow, Doctor Strange, Thor and The Guardians of the Galaxy. There's been no talk of new films for Iron Man or Captain America. There's been confirmation that the War Machine film has been canceled. Hulk is confirmed to not be getting a sequel. There's never been any talk of solo films for Hawkeye, Falcon, Scarlet Witch or Vision.

It's highly likely based on the age of the actors that Iron Man, War Machine and Hulk will die. It's also likely that we'll see something happen to Captain America as well given that Chris Evans' contract is up but Sebastian Stan's isn't. There's more than enough room to do a Doom film before a Fantastic Four reboot and then drop Doom in Doctor Strange 2 and Black Panther 2 and adapt Triumph and Torment and Doomwar.

I'd also do something with the Thunderbolts and have Zemo stage a jailbreak and form a replacement team for the Avengers until the old ones can be recasted without people comparing them to the old actors. Phase 4 needs to be about Doom, Silver Surfer and Zemo. Give villains who aren't Loki some actual character development.

I just don't see Marvel doing it. FOX was clearly only developing it as a desperate last measure to hold onto the Fantastic Four rights (which will soon be a dead issue).

As for my personal opinion, I don't mind the concept of a Doom movie but I think it would be better to build him up as a big bad villain first in other Marvel movies. Then if interest is there give him his own movie. But starting with that really wouldn't work in my opinion.

 

[Dasher10]

I just don't see Marvel doing it. FOX was clearly only developing it as a desperate last measure to hold onto the Fantastic Four rights (which will soon be a dead issue).

As for my personal opinion, I don't mind the concept of a Doom movie but I think it would be better to build him up as a big bad villain first in other Marvel movies. Then if interest is there give him his own movie. But starting with that really wouldn't work in my opinion.

I feel like you need to start off with the Doom origin, then drop him in Doctor Strange 2 and Black Panther 2. Then make him the big bad of the Phase 4 event film where he develops a rivalry with Reed. Then make him show up in Fantastic Four 2. Fantastic Four 1 needs a new villain who isn't Doom. Bring on Annihilus.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'd rather let the Marvel Studios brain trust figure it out.

 

[HunBoy]

Please someone tweet to Feige: We need #MarvelEvent2

 

[marvelrobbins]

My guess is that Phase 4 is going to move the spotlight away from the Avengers entirely and it'll be all about the X-Men and Cosmic heroes (Guardians, Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer origin story far in the past, Ravagers spin-off far in the future) and Noah Hawley's Doctor Doom film still in production and set in the 90s. X-Men films will stay in production in their own universe until Phase 4 ends with a massive event film where reality itself is destroyed and every Marvel hero must band together to build a new universe.

x-men films will not be set in their own universe.if at end of month murdocks sell to disney the 2018 films are end of x-men cinematic universe.then wait
begins for x-men fans who want to see x-men in MCU for feige to reboot
x-men.the Noah Hawley doom film is dead minute disney buys fox.

 

[Lilbaz]

I just don't see Marvel doing it. FOX was clearly only developing it as a desperate last measure to hold onto the Fantastic Four rights (which will soon be a dead issue).

As for my personal opinion, I don't mind the concept of a Doom movie but I think it would be better to build him up as a big bad villain first in other Marvel movies. Then if interest is there give him his own movie. But starting with that really wouldn't work in my opinion.

I think the opposite. Give doom a standalone film as an anti hero. His rise to become ruler of latveria his mother etc... get an understanding of what motivates him. Then when he does face the heros the audience is conflicted of who to root for. You know he's bad but part of you wants him to win.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

If Feige stays for the rest of the films up to the end...

you can count on an iconic battle and introduction of Thing.

also re: Doom has the potential to be a bigger villain than Darth Vader (ironically since Vader is based off Doom).

Sure, if Marvel gets the rights, we'll see some amazing things and my dreams will be fulfilled.

... but after all these years of waiting and hoping and getting nothing but Fox crap, my brain won't let me believe we'll ever see the FF done right on the big-screen.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Regarding Doom, I'd like to see something like the comics - introduce Doom as a rival to Reed who becomes the ultimate badass.

Then, after we know him as that incredible villain, we go back and see how it all started with him as a kid.

And in that film, I wouldn't make him likable as a kid. At 10 years old, he wouldn't be an innocent kid. He would be a frightening presence who reacts to his parents death not with fear and sadness but anger that they were taken away from him.

And I'd make the ruling class of Latveria so evil and despicable that even though we don't like Doom, we root for him to fulfill his destiny and come to full power and slaughter them.

The final scene would be similar, in some ways, to the end of Rogue One with Darth Vader. We'd see Doom suited up in full armor and unleashing his fury on the ruling class of Latveria.

That would give us a full, satisfying film without watering Doom down and making him a 'good guy'.

 

[SyntaxError]

personally i like the idea of a Doom film in Phase 4.

would offer something new to the marvel formula, which is something Feige tries to do with each solo film. build him up into the big bad for the P4 team-up finale.

 

[Spiderine]

When they get Doom back and they will..............Doom should already exists in the MCU.

He should already be ruler of the country of Latveria. He should already be a powerful world leader. He should be feared. He should have already played a role in world affairs such as one of the countries who ratified the superhero act limiting the powers of the Avengers. Perhaps even being one of the architects of the act. He should be watching the events of IW closely as a means to become a major factor in the aftermath. He should be influential in the new world that arises after Thanos invasion. He should already be experienced in magic. He should be as intelligent as anyone currently in the MCU. His plans should already be in motion.

Jump right into this character immediately in the post IW MCU. Thats the time to establish him moving forward. Make the audience believe this character is unlike anything we ever seen before on the big screen which should not be hard. His impact should be felt the moment Marvel teases him on screen.

 

[Dark Raven]

Regarding Doom, I'd like to see something like the comics - introduce Doom as a rival to Reed who becomes the ultimate badass.

Then, after we know him as that incredible villain, we go back and see how it all started with him as a kid.

And in that film, I wouldn't make him likable as a kid. At 10 years old, he wouldn't be an innocent kid. He would be a frightening presence who reacts to his parents death not with fear and sadness but anger that they were taken away from him.

And I'd make the ruling class of Latveria so evil and despicable that even though we don't like Doom, we root for him to fulfill his destiny and come to full power and slaughter them.

The final scene would be similar, in some ways, to the end of Rogue One with Darth Vader. We'd see Doom suited up in full armor and unleashing his fury on the ruling class of Latveria.

That would give us a full, satisfying film without watering Doom down and making him a 'good guy'.

They need to find Jake Lloyd 2.0 for a young boy Doom who can go on a kid's adventure and in a pod racer mimicking the chariot race from Ben Hur.

Then he can later become a brooding teenager who is always sulking who seems more like someone who was grounded for not doing his homework rather than turning into an evil dictator. For this part we need a Hayden Christensen 2.0.

 

[InCali]

Why are you so against it? Noah Hawley is awesome and Doom really does need his own film since he's Marvel's best villain. Doom was held back in all his other appearances by being tied the the FF's origin. Doom solo film allows him to have time to establish himself. Get Hawley to rework his screenplay to fit into the MCU's established continuity. Avengers 4 is the end for the current characters for a phase when the contracts have expired and the characters are written out for half a decade. The only character confirmed to have a sequel is Spider-Man. The only characters rumored for sequels are Black Widow, Doctor Strange, Thor and The Guardians of the Galaxy. There's been no talk of new films for Iron Man or Captain America. There's been confirmation that the War Machine film has been canceled. Hulk is confirmed to not be getting a sequel. There's never been any talk of solo films for Hawkeye, Falcon, Scarlet Witch or Vision.

It's highly likely based on the age of the actors that Iron Man, War Machine and Hulk will die. It's also likely that we'll see something happen to Captain America as well given that Chris Evans' contract is up but Sebastian Stan's isn't. There's more than enough room to do a Doom film before a Fantastic Four reboot and then drop Doom in Doctor Strange 2 and Black Panther 2 and adapt Triumph and Torment and Doomwar.

I'd also do something with the Thunderbolts and have Zemo stage a jailbreak and form a replacement team for the Avengers until the old ones can be recasted without people comparing them to the old actors. Phase 4 needs to be about Doom, Silver Surfer and Zemo. Give villains who aren't Loki some actual character development.

I don't understand why you would think Hulk would die based on Mark's age. He plays Banner and not Hulk. He doesn't have to have Hemsworth's guns. You might be correct that he dies, but I don't think it will be based on his age. It's a completely different situation than Cap or Thor. Hulk is CGI. Ditto for Tony/IM. He doesn't have to be all buffed out to play IM. That isn't to say these characters won't die. It just doesn't have to be because of their age. Thor and Cap could also go on an extended hiatus and be recast.

 

[InCali]

I know there's a downside to this, but I'd like to see (yet another) retelling of the origins of the FF. I don't think it will happen because it got butchered twice, but it could work. In addition, I'd like to see Reed, Victor, and Ben in college.....not for an extended period of time, but to set the stage for what comes next. Sort of like something they did in the beginning of GotG or maybe just a shade longer.