The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - Part 14

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If we are going to consider FFINO, even unofficially, as the force behind this, the we should keep Kinberg away from everything and cancel his upcoming X-Men film... The guy is dangerous. He is a main player in the making of what, in some ways, killed 20th Century Fox. His incompetence crippled an industry giant.

The first step toward me forgiving Fox and Kinberg will be Marvel announcing they have the rights.

After that, I can put the rest in the past and look toward the future.

As long as Fox still keeps a stranglehold on the rights, I can't even picture Kinberg's smug, clueless face without getting pissed off.
 
I believe this is part one of it (there was only 1 and a bit parts unlike the negative threads :hehe:)

The Positive Thread

Archived stuff tends to be hard to search for, I usually do it by doing a search of my name with the results getting listed by the threads if I know that I took part in it.

Thanks.

There is already some gold in there. One of them being a link to this article:

Why the New ‘Fantastic Four’ Movie Will Be a Hit for Fox

https://www.fool.com/investing/gene...e-new-fantastic-four-movie-will-be-a-hit.aspx

Even though the first attempt at launching "Fantastic Four" as a movie franchise failed, the results will be different this time.

Daniel B. Kline (TMFDankline) Apr 2, 2014 at 12:37PM

The last attempt to launch a Fantastic Four franchise by Twentieth Century Fox (NASDAQ:FOX) was brought down not by a super villain but by something that has defeated countless films -- bad timing.

The movie with its light, playful tone, bright colors, and cast of vaguely familiar mostly TV stars was released on July 8, 2005, three weeks after Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins changed public perception as to what a superhero film could be. That meant that while public interest in the Fantastic Four characters was high, the actual film was sure to disappoint and kill the franchise before it even started. It's similar to how the rise of Nirvana made '80s hair metal bands look insincere. There was nothing wrong with Fantastic Four but it was a pre-Batman Begins living in a post Batman Begins world.

With its upcoming reboot of the franchise, Fox has a chance to reach the Fantastic Four fans who turned out for the first movie but were disappointed enough to lose interest and send its sequel to lower overall box office.

Fantastic Four was a hit last time

While the 2005 movie was not the hit Fox may have hoped for, it actually did almost as well as Batman Begins, taking in $330 million in global box office while the Dark Knight's film took in $374 million worldwide, according to Box Office Mojo. Four also had an estimated $100 million budget to Batman's $150 million, IMDB reported. Neither was The Avengers, but both Fantastic Four and Batman Begins were successful.

Where things went wrong was 2007's Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, which kept most of the now clearly out-of-tune elements from the first movie, taking in only $289 million globally. By comparison, the second Batman film, The Dark Knight, crossed the billion-dollar mark at the global box office.

The cast is not a problem

There has been a fair amount of Internet chatter over the decision to cast Michael B. Jordan as Johnny Storm/The Human Torch because the comic book version of Storm is not black, which Jordan is. The character is also the brother of Sue Storm/The Invisible Woman, who will be played by the decidedly white Kate Mara. Though this particular story line "problem" can be explained away easily enough (mixed-race parents, adoption) the controversy should help the new film. If there was any audience question that the 2015 Fantastic Four is a reboot -- not a sequel -- some fanboy casting outrage will take care of that.

More important than the controversy is that the first film had only one semi-legitimate movie star in the core cast -- Jessica Alba, who is more a famous person who appears in movies than a movie star. The rest of the previous Four and the villain, Dr. Doom, were played by either unknowns (Chris Evans as The Human Torch well before his Captain America fame) or established TV actors, like Michael Chiklis who played The Thing.

The new movie will star Miles Teller, Jamie Bell, Mara, and Jordan who are either rising movie stars (with Jordan's career being particularly ascendant) or edgy stars of breakout hits (Mara stars in Netflix's (NASDAQ: NFLX) House of Cards). The cast of the first movie felt like it was a well-stocked TV movie of the week, whereas the new film has a cast that makes it feel like an event film -- a young, hip take on The Avengers cast.

"The new cast may not be household names or A-listers, but in terms of a next-generation 'best of class,' it can't be beat," The Hollywood Reporter wrote when the casting became public.

Fantastic Four will be a hit

When the first FF film was released it was not only pre-Batman trilogy, it was also pre-Iron Man. The public demand for and acceptance of big-ticket superhero films has grown exponentially. Avengers did $1.5 billion in global box office -- and as long as your movie does not star The Hulk, north of $400 million has become common for superhero films. The first Fantastic Four showed that the public has an interest in these characters and if that film had been better -- or even released a few months sooner -- it might have been closer to a $500 million hit.

Rise of the Silver Surfer only doing slightly worse than its predecessor showed that even after a failed first film there was public interest in the adventures of these characters. That audience will come out to sample the reboot and if the movie is good it will be a hit. Of course a bad movie can spike the series, but with the cast in place and the wealth of stories in the FF universe available, it seems likely that Fox will deliver a movie that's true to the characters but not as instantly dated as the previous film instantly was.

:funny:
 
I trust having the copy more. Don't have to worry about file corruption, whether something happens to my prime account or wherever I bought it through, etc. Yeah, discs can scratch, but not for someone like me who takes care of them.

For a long time, I was buying the blu-ray, using the code to get my digital copy on Vudu and then filing the blu-ray without ever watching it.

But over time, I've weened myself from that and now I just buy the UHD on Vudu.
 
I believe this is part one of it (there was only 1 and a bit parts unlike the negative threads :hehe:)

The Positive Thread

Archived stuff tends to be hard to search for, I usually do it by doing a search of my name with the results getting listed by the threads if I know that I took part in it.
oh, Willie's first post is gold!
I probably won't be posting much in here because I'm not real thrilled with how things are going, but I think those who are should have a special place.
we all knew that special place would be a psych ward
 
So long as they can't/won't interfere where it really matters, Disney will probably tolerate/accommodate them.

Disney will want full distribution rights in Germany and Austria. That's an easy buyout or wait until 2021 to start production of a Fantastic Four movie while introducing the characters through other movies.
 
I'm not sure if this was the "official" one. I remember creating that because people were complaining that the forum was too negative. So I created that one partly to show how few people there were who really had positive comments... and that thread kept getting buried beneath the sane ones.:woot:

But then I think there was some sort of official creation of binary positive and negative threads after that... but it's all very hazy to me now.

I had a look for another but haven't seen any sign of another Positivity Thread, I've even done a search looking at the threads folk like CyclopsWasRight posted in just to see if I could see any sign of another thread that the Positivity crowd were posting in. Your thread seems to be it.
 
oh, Willie's first post is gold!

we all knew that special place would be a psych ward

That's where they are still now, ranting to the wardens that Fant4stic WAS a hit and that it was the internet fans that gave them bad reviews because they had so much power.
 
I had a look for another but haven't seen any sign of another Positivity Thread, I've even done a search looking at the threads folk like CyclopsWasRight posted in just to see if I could see any sign of another thread that the Positivity crowd were posting in. Your thread seems to be it.

:funny: I'm an old man. I can't remember the exact chain of events or threads. Someone younger may remember better.
 

No hard feeling William!

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quote from the last 'original' hope thread by me
R_Hythlodeus said:
I've talked to a couple of friends over the last few hours about their thoughts about the trailer. all of them with knowledge of the source material, mind you. It's hard to find people who haven't read Marvel comics at one point in their lives (and the age range I'm talking about here is mid-twenties to early sixties) and Ben Grimm has been a favorite with a lot of them.
There was not one (1) positive reaction to the trailer. I sometimes forget how much of a parallel society this board is.
I can't see this movie make anything at the box office.
I hate to say I was right, but... who am I kidding, I'm loving it
 
I believe this is part one of it (there was only 1 and a bit parts unlike the negative threads :hehe:)

The Positive Thread

Archived stuff tends to be hard to search for, I usually do it by doing a search of my name with the results getting listed by the threads if I know that I took part in it.

Hey, I was Positive. Positive that I didn't want to see that piece of crap movie they were putting out. Lol

Surfer
 
quote from the last 'original' hope thread by me

I hate to say I was right, but... who am I kidding, I'm loving it

:up:

I remember actually having a slight bit of hope for the film right up to the first trailer.

But that first trailer was so awful and so unlike the Fantastic Four, I remember feeling like I was in bizarro world reading posts from people talking about how great it was.

It was clear from that first trailer on that the film would be terrible.
 
:up:

I remember actually having a slight bit of hope for the film right up to the first trailer.

But that first trailer was so awful and so unlike the Fantastic Four, I remember feeling like I was in bizarro world reading posts from people talking about how great it was.

It was clear from that first trailer on that the film would be terrible.

I hated the movie when Trank started talking about making it a Cronenberg movie. I was like, FF movie like The Fly? That's...not right
 
We need a "Keep Humour Alive: Laugh at the FFINO Positivity" thread.
 
I hated the movie when Trank started talking about making it a Cronenberg movie. I was like, FF movie like The Fly? That's...not right

But what's weird about that is they never even did that. They had a few seconds of Ben moaning and Reed stretched out on the table, but for all the talk, that was it? That's why they threw everything else about the FF out the window?!?!
 
WillieLumpkin, I never did get around to answering your question about what website/forum was going on and on about Constantin holding on to the F4 rights and it was CBM. In fact another article popped up over there that pretty much continues to drive home that Disney will only inherit the X-Men NOT the F4...they keep citing the 1986 purchase of the rights back in the day and blah blah blah...
 
WillieLumpkin, I never did get around to answering your question about what website/forum was going on and on about Constantin holding on to the F4 rights and it was CBM. In fact another article popped up over there that pretty much continues to drive home that Disney will only inherit the X-Men NOT the F4...they keep citing the 1986 purchase of the rights back in the day and blah blah blah...
They can say what they want all they want. Follow the money.
 
WillieLumpkin, I never did get around to answering your question about what website/forum was going on and on about Constantin holding on to the F4 rights and it was CBM. In fact another article popped up over there that pretty much continues to drive home that Disney will only inherit the X-Men NOT the F4...they keep citing the 1986 purchase of the rights back in the day and blah blah blah...

It must be Digific Writer hard at work.
 
They can say what they want all they want. Follow the money.

I know I know lol and I am sure you all will be right...as someone who has been on these boards 4EVER, I am just too paranoid to have something this epic happen only to have my all time favorite team, one of the coolest sets of cosmic characters ever (Galactus and Surfer) and the single greatest villain/character for me ever (DOOM), plus Kang as well and be denied at the end...
 
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