The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - Part 14

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Paradox1 said:
Nobody takes a crotch scratching raccoon seriously. When most people see it on film they gonna laugh their ass off. A guy like Wolverine does all the sudden it's not just rude but its also offensive.

Joe Rockhead said:
That's it. I'm convinced, the Fantastic Four needs a re-imagining, shot in the arm. Trank, Kinberg and Fox are just the people to get the job done.

FF fans are just stubborn old fools who are either unwilling or unable to embrace the new dynamic story telling style.

EssayM said:
I don't think there's much they can do to screw up Doom's look. Even the more out-there versions I've seen usually have the basic green cloak/metal faceplate combo. They'd have to be the most ghetto production ever to get that design wrong.

EssayM said:
Well, bearing in mind that it's a BTS shot and the effects haven't been added yet, I can actually see this costume [Doom's] looking fairly badass in the final version.

CyclopsWasRight said:
Totally agreed with this. I find it silly when people say this will be bad because of the quality of old Fox superhero movies like fantastic four or Origins as the only reasonable insight into the current studio practices is to look at the quality of current movies they offer

It would be like saying BvS will be bad because of Batman and Robin, when that's long enough ago that it's irrelevant

There are none of the same people involved with this or BvS that were involved with the Tim Story F4 and B&R respectively

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psylockolussus said:
this is the positive thread, not mock and laugh the positive people thread.

Whiskey Tango said:
He's right. That's in all the other threads.

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marvelrobbins said:
Rumored plot:

Reed is a genius convenience store clerk with Ben. Reed's parents don't care about him, and Ben's dad is abusive. They're good friends and have each other's backs. Reed writes a paper for community college on teleportation that attracts the attention of Dr. Franklin Storm, CEO of the Baxter Building research center.

Storm has a son, Johnny, and an adoptive daughter, Sue, whose father, Storm's old partner, died in an experiment gone wrong. Johnny and Sue are party kids, and Sue is particularly disdainful of science. Reed and Sue don't get along at first.
Victor Doomashev is a anti-social Eastern European computer programmer and hacktivist who calls himself "Doom". He hates the 1%, particularly Storm, whom he claims corrupts science for profit.


Storm uses Reed's paper to complete some equations on a machine to access another dimension, the N-Zone. Reed invites Ben to watch the machine being turned on. Sue and Johnny are also there. Doom manages to hack into the Baxter Building's servers and use a computer virus to damage the machine, which explodes. Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben are exposed to otherwordly energy and become mutants with powers that they can't control.

Storm takes them to the Baxter Building and creates containment suits for their powers. They begin to train. Reed and Storm also begin developing a way to revert the accident. Sue blames Reed for everything, but they eventually become friends and then a couple. Ben can switch off his powers when he's not in danger. Johnny changes colors based on heat intensity, and Sue has some borderline telekinetic thing. Reed is pretty much Reed.

Doom finds out that the four have acquired powers and becomes angry it's not him, so he comes up with a plan to break into the Baxter Building to access the N-Zone through the rebuild machine. As a distraction, he reprograms a bunch of stolen military drones, the "Doombots", to attack the building. The four come together as a team for the first time and save people.

Doom activates the machine and gets technopathy powers or something, basically energy blasts and making machines obey to him, and a fight ensues. The machine goes critical, and, in order to prevent it from exploding and destroying the city, the four push into it and Storm shuts it off.

There's a countdown before it reaches critical mass. Inside the N-Zone, the four battle Doom again, and manage to leave him trapped there after he disfigures himself soaking up too much power. The Four manage to escape, but Ben gets the blunt of it to protect Reed and can't switch back.

The machine is destroyed, Doom is gone, the four have learned to work as a team, and Reed vows to find a cure for Ben. And it ends there.

While it's clearly a reimaging of FF If execution is right this rumored plot isn't all bad.

harryoscop said:
:applaud :applaud It even incorporates the UFF N-Zone origin! I'm soooo hyped! :D

psylockolussus said:
I think it all comes down to execution. I have faith that Josh Trank will nail it. Matthew Vaughn also has a say on this. At first, it sounds a little odd to read words like "convenience store clerk" "Doom posts online" but if they executed it well and those things don't come across as a joke, then I think it would be alright. And for what its worth, it sounds better than the plot of the last two Fantastic Four films and with this one, we would see how the four met each other. Reading the rumored plot, Doom reminds me of Whiplash. But I cannot wait to see the N-Zone and Doombots!

psylockolussus said:
To me, it isn't about the staying close to the comics storylines. But the story that the film is trying to tell. I just feel like reading the rumored plot which could be fake, it has more conflict compare to the plot of the 1st Fantastic Four movies. The plot of the 1st two Fantastic Four films are very simplistic, the characters know each other from the get go, Doom makes trouble for whatever reason, Fantastic Four saves the day.... with the second movie, its the same thing.

But with this rumored plot, it shows that how will the 4 get together, Doom actually has a cause and reason for going against the Fantastic Four. And for a "plot summary" there are background information about the characters that could be really interesting to watch. Then you have the N-Zone, Doombots...

If the X-Men movies can get away for not being a carbon copy of the comic-books just for being a good movie, why can't a Fantastic Four movie do the same thing. Its all in the execution.

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CyclopsWasRight said:
From the looks of things even if this film is in-accurate it has a lot going for it in terms of potential to be a very good film.

DigificWriter said:
QFT.

For anyone who's willing to not be cynical and automatically pessimistic, there's actually a lot about this movie - especially now that we have a synopsis for it - to be excited about.

MakeMinesMarvel said:
Cyclops Is Right

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CyclopsWasRight said:
I get that people want the movie in Marvels hands but it didn't happen, time to get over it and move on.

Paradox1 said:
Well what makes it a tormented production? They haven't changed directors, no stars have left, and studio has not just dropped the film altogether. That would make it tormented, as far as anyone knows this went really smoothly.

Cagefighterkip said:
I think it's gonna be pretty good.
Maybe even surprise us.
We shall see.

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CyclopsWasRight said:
Yeah when I heard containment suit I pictured a hazmat suit or bulky spacesuit like costume.

I like that this is like the classic costumes (colour aside) but with various apparatus unique to regulate the powers of each member.

This is likely for the period when they're using them to learn to control their new abilities but won't be needed in the long run

Kelly said:
Can you show me "which" of those classic costumes you are speaking of....cause though I don't really have an opinion yet of what I'm seeing in that picture..."classic costumes" is no where near the vibe I'm getting.

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CyclopsWasRight said:
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Smilodon said:
Trank's definitely got a good head on his shoulders (and good of Kinberg to tell him to ignore the internet and let the art speak for itself) judging from the interview. I respect, understand and even admire the secrecy as long as what they're keeping hidden will be good when it is revealed and judging by this interview, they seem to have a lot of good faith in the entire project.

And Philip Glass composing for a superhero movie? Man, oh man! That's crazy legit and that's something that definitely wouldn't have happened if Trank weren't heading this entire ship. That's some juicy info that should've leaked but this could be a really unique superhero experience.

And as much as people give Fox flack, they're clearly learning from Marvel/Disney about the necessity to pump out quality films (though they may deviate from the source material) and have taken the necessary steps to ensure it in their own way be it adhering the source material more or giving filmmakers more creative freedom etc.

Trank went a looooong way towards improving the image of this film to me and with a strong trailer it could get even better.

pavlov said:
Trank sounds really smart and for somebody with little experience, he exudes a lot of self-confidence.

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Rocketman said:
People are either overreacting on an embarrassing level, or they simply can't admit that something not from Marvel Studios looks good, lol.

The movie looks incredible. The cinematography in particular is outstanding. It looks like a legit film through and through, and the Cronenberg influence makes me even more excited than before.

I was for this movie since day one, and now even moreso. It certainly looks better than Ant-Man, and dare I say it, the trailer is considerably better than Age of Ultron's.

MakeMinesMarvel said:
MBJ is a hilarious guy. He'll definitely have the audience laughing.

:hehe: :funny: :lmao:

I'm sure there was much better stuff in the general threads though. There wasn't even a proper image of Doom in this thread. It was all a bit sparse.
 
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:hehe: :funny: :lmao:

I'm sure there was much better stuff in the general threads though. There wasn't even a proper image of Doom in this thread. It was all a bit sparse.
You are the best Dark Raven :D . Thanks for all of that :)
 
I think my main issue here is that no matter what anyone says, IMHO the Fantastic Four have never been anchored to the 1960s not like the way Captain America is permanently anchored to World War II as that's a major part of his history.

Just like with Tony Stark, they updated his origin to have him in the Middle-East instead of Vietnam.

I agree that Captain America's connection is more important, because it defines who he is as a person. The Fantastic Four's connection with the 60's is more about them being introduced in a point in time where everyone's eyes were on the Space Race. However, setting them in that time period would not reignite the same excitement people felt back in the 60's regarding space travel, it would just lend it towards being a historic backdrop for the movie.

Surfer
 
I think you can easily tie the space exploration ideas into present day.
 
Wow! Some of these are pretty funny looking back. I especially like this one.

Originally Posted by Rocketman
People are either overreacting on an embarrassing level, or they simply can't admit that something not from Marvel Studios looks good, lol.

The movie looks incredible. The cinematography in particular is outstanding. It looks like a legit film through and through, and the Cronenberg influence makes me even more excited than before.

I was for this movie since day one, and now even moreso. It certainly looks better than Ant-Man, and dare I say it, the trailer is considerably better than Age of Ultron's.

Oh, and this one I think is especially appropriate!

Originally Posted by CyclopsWasRight
I get that people want the movie in Marvels hands but it didn't happen, time to get over it and move on.


Good Stuff! Thanks Dark Raven.

Surfer
 
The FF don't need some kind of convoluted time travel story to justify their introduction into the modern MCU. Frankly while there will likely be some cool elements to be seen by doing the 90's thing with Carol, even she didn't NEED that to bring her into the fold. Just place the team squarely in the present and cast really well.
 
I think you can easily tie the space exploration ideas into present day.

Oh, I definitely agree. I was just saying that is the reason I think people connect the 60's to the Fantastic Four, but it is not something that defines them as characters.

Surfer
 
Oh, I definitely agree. I was just saying that is the reason I think people connect the 60's to the Fantastic Four, but it is not something that defines them as characters.

Surfer
Gotcha, thanks :) .

Maybe have an Elon Musk cameo ;)
 
Wow! Some of these are pretty funny looking back. I especially like this one.

Originally Posted by Rocketman
People are either overreacting on an embarrassing level, or they simply can't admit that something not from Marvel Studios looks good, lol.

The movie looks incredible. The cinematography in particular is outstanding. It looks like a legit film through and through, and the Cronenberg influence makes me even more excited than before.

I was for this movie since day one, and now even moreso. It certainly looks better than Ant-Man, and dare I say it, the trailer is considerably better than Age of Ultron's.

Oh, and this one I think is especially appropriate!

Originally Posted by CyclopsWasRight
I get that people want the movie in Marvels hands but it didn't happen, time to get over it and move on.


Good Stuff! Thanks Dark Raven.

Surfer

Clearly these posts are from a psychiatric residence. No one in their right mind would post this stuff. Are any of these guys still posting here?
 
Well for me, to see Doom on the big screen, the following is needed:

1) His comic book accurate armor

2)Latveria and his throne

3)Global/Universal dominion aspirations

4)science and sorcery

5)Gypsy origins/mother/father

6)Robotics genius

Bonus:

Boris
Yes to all this except 3. Doom's motivations are much more complex than "wanting to rule the world". He wants to build a better world, and is willing to do whatever it takes to achieve his vision. He's also heavily driven by an inferiority complex, believing that he has to constantly prove himself "good enough", something that consistently comes to haunt him whenever he successfully gains ultimate power.
 
Clearly these posts are from a psychiatric residence. No one in their right mind would post this stuff. Are any of these guys still posting here?

A lot of them said "banned user"

But pscyhokolossus is still posting. Possibly Cyclops was Right.
 
Yes to all this except 3. Doom's motivations are much more complex than "wanting to rule the world". He wants to build a better world, and is willing to do whatever it takes to achieve his vision. He's also heavily driven by the need for competition, constantly needing to prove himself superior, which has come back to haunt him the few times he's gained ultimate power.

I am aware of that...i just wrote it out real quick....Doom truly believes hos vision is the right one (see Doomwar and the Panther God)
 
Clearly these posts are from a psychiatric residence. No one in their right mind would post this stuff. Are any of these guys still posting here?

I think psylockolussus still posts here quite a bit, other then that I am not sure.

Surfer
 
A lot of them said "banned user"

But pscyhokolossus is still posting. Possibly Cyclops was Right.

Not saying I'd rib him but.....................does he still bash the MCU or come against the Disney buying Fox?
 
It will be nice to have all FF/X related merchandising and games back in the fold too having Disney/Marvel full backing behind them. Marvel is starting to feel complete as it should be.

:up: I could use some new T-Shirts.
 
New poster here. With the possible upcoming news, I had to join shh! I can barely contain myself with the possibility to see Fantastic Four in the MCU, not to mention my boy, Silver Surfer, being part of the wonderful cosmic universe Marvel is building. Two of Lee/Kirby's greatest creations at home!

:up: Welcome to the party!
 
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Ah, CyclopsWasRight... good times. I loved reading his ridiculous drivel.

Clearly these posts are from a psychiatric residence. No one in their right mind would post this stuff. Are any of these guys still posting here?

psylockolussus nowadays is practically our counterpart with the X-Men rights, so they have seen the light to some extent. :woot:
 
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:hehe: :funny: :lmao:

I'm sure there was much better stuff in the general threads though. There wasn't even a proper image of Doom in this thread. It was all a bit sparse.

:funny: Wow! I remember some of that, but when you put it all together and look at it in hindsight... :funny:
 
The FF don't need some kind of convoluted time travel story to justify their introduction into the modern MCU. Frankly while there will likely be some cool elements to be seen by doing the 90's thing with Carol, even she didn't NEED that to bring her into the fold. Just place the team squarely in the present and cast really well.

It would be easy too. The MCU Earth has evidence of alien life (and will get more dangerous evidence soon with Thanos), the need to go to space will be intensified as a result. There could even be a modern space race because if it.

I don't like the 60's setting as it says that the team doesn't fit the modern times, when that isn't true at all.
 
Thank you! I suppose you're equally excited about it! :up:

Welcome to the forum, Power Cosmic (great username, by the way; I'm more into the X-Men side of things, as you can tell by mine, but we all have (had?) a common goal). You got here just in time!
 
:funny: Wow! I remember some of that, but when you put it all together and look at it in hindsight... :funny:

This wasn't the only forum that had FF threads shot down because Fox fanatics wanted to silence doubters. At one point it seemed like the Fox-4 fanatics were everywhere, proclaiming it one of the greatest movies they'd never seen. I take a bit of joy in knowing that not only was Fant4stic a steaming pile but also that Marvel is going to get the franchise back before it can be harmed further.

Oh, and Fox is dead. :awesome:
 
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