The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 20

[samsnee]

Keep the Defenders shows on Netflix. It allows them to be more mature and adult themed. It’s not unheard of for a studio or network have a show that is shown on a rival network.

 

[marvelmadness13]

I just wanna take this moment to say how much I appreciate the fact that not only is this thread still going strong years after the film that spawned it had its section shut down, but we're on the cusp of its title becoming a reality.

What a crazy ride the last few years have been.

 

[MasterCat]

I can see the streaming service becoming a mess for Disney. Netflix is all the content they can get for one price. If Disneyflix is only all-ages and PG-13 content, then there's another UI and monthly fee to stream ESPN, and half the FOX library and some Marvel shows are on Hulu instead, plus new seasons of 5 more Marvel shows exclusive to a competitor... That's not how you make as much money as Netflix. It's all about streamlining things for consumers.

 

[2kt09]

I can see the streaming service becoming a mess for Disney. Netflix is all the content they can get for one price. If Disneyflix is only all-ages and PG-13 content, then there's another UI and monthly fee to stream ESPN, and half the FOX library and some Marvel shows are on Hulu instead, plus new seasons of 5 more Marvel shows exclusive to a competitor... That's not how you make as much money as Netflix. It's all about streamlining things for consumers.

Not following the logic because Disney would have multiple revenue streams in comparison
and possibly not have to incur the amount of debt Netlix racks up.

 

[MasterCat]

Not following the logic because Disney would have multiple revenue streams in comparison
and possibly not have to incur the amount of debt Netlix racks up.

<30-something sports fan> I want Disneyflix to watch with my kid and also sports. *has to deal with 2 different UIs*

<Marvel fan> I want to watch all MCU films and shows. *has to deal with 3 different UIs*

<Someone else> Eh, I'm an adult who doesn't follow sports. I'll deal with Netflix or Hulu, not both.

It makes a lot more sense to consolidate everything under 2 UIs tops than 4, one of which is a competitor.

 

[2kt09]

<30-something sports fan> I want Disneyflix to watch with my kid and also sports. *has to deal with 2 different UIs*

<Marvel fan> I want to watch all MCU films and shows. *has to deal with 3 different UIs*

<Someone else> Eh, I'm an adult who doesn't follow sports. I'll deal with Netflix or Hulu, not both.

It makes a lot more sense to consolidate everything under 2 UIs tops than 4, one of which is a competitor.

The profits would still be based on the fact they can segment those demos that way. If they happen to cross, great. If not, they're still making money from more than one place.

Disney even pushed for its major brands to specifically appeal to different audiences ranging from kids-teens-adults-gen audiences on multiple networks and platforms.

 

[Zarex]

I can see the streaming service becoming a mess for Disney. Netflix is all the content they can get for one price. If Disneyflix is only all-ages and PG-13 content, then there's another UI and monthly fee to stream ESPN, and half the FOX library and some Marvel shows are on Hulu instead, plus new seasons of 5 more Marvel shows exclusive to a competitor... That's not how you make as much money as Netflix. It's all about streamlining things for consumers.

The problem for Hulu with Disney as a majority owner is that all the good stuff - The Glengarry Leads - are going onto Disneyflix. Star Wars, Pixar, MCU, Disney Animation & Live Action. Probably the X-Men series as well. So Hulu is getting Disney's second tier product and also probably losing NBC/Universal as well. Not great!

If Hulu primarily becomes a repository for ABC TV shows and R rated 21st Century Fox product I don't see it thriving. Iger should probably try to keep Kabletown involved or sell a chunk to Verizon or Apple or another big company attempting to get into streaming.

 

[KBX]

Well we are all hoping Disney will own 60% of Hulu by the end of the year. Its not out of the realm of possibility they intend to own all of it. Theres your successful streaming service right there.

 

[fan4stic]

I thought it would've worked to have like old news reel footage show their origin at first. Then later on in the movie we could see them have flashes to their powers starting.

 

[Smurphftw]

The problem for Hulu with Disney as a majority owner is that all the good stuff - The Glengarry Leads - are going onto Disneyflix. Star Wars, Pixar, MCU, Disney Animation & Live Action. Probably the X-Men series as well. So Hulu is getting Disney's second tier product and also probably losing NBC/Universal as well. Not great!

If Hulu primarily becomes a repository for ABC TV shows and R rated 21st Century Fox product I don't see it thriving. Iger should probably try to keep Kabletown involved or sell a chunk to Verizon or Apple or another big company attempting to get into streaming.

Kudos on the Glengarry Glen Ross rereference.

 

[DyfeddRex]

So, Willie....

to tell us which is first, do they run a certain REO song to let us know Storm is coming, or a Sisters Sledge song for the FF?

 

[Fallen]

Well we are all hoping Disney will own 60% of Hulu by the end of the year. Its not out of the realm of possibility they intend to own all of it. Theres your successful streaming service right there.

Hulu is the future .

You will probably be able to upgrade your Hulu to include Disneyflix/sports, similar to Hulu & HBO.

[YT]S3-nOuYMn0w[/YT]

 

[Detective Conan]

Fan art of Kraksinki as MCU Mr. Fantastic.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

So, Willie....

to tell us which is first, do they run a certain REO song to let us know Storm is coming, or a Sisters Sledge song for the FF?

I grew up in Pittsburgh, so I'm partial to Sister Sledge.

 

[Dark Raven]

Fan art of Kraksinki as MCU Mr. Fantastic.

Well he certainly has the right hairstyle for Reed.

 

[Iceman]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/16/comcast-unlikely-to-raise-fox-bid-focused-on-sky-sources.html
Comcast unlikely to raise Fox bid; focused on Sky - sources: CNBC

 

[Detective Conan]

It’s over. Thank god, guys.

It’s finally over!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It’s over. Thank god, guys.

It’s finally over!

I'm still waiting for the vote in a week and a half. At that point, I'll call it over, but I still have the tiniest bit of nervousness until then.

 

[Iceman]

The good thing about Comcast going all out for Sky is that they and Roberts can still end up looking like a winner, which should remove his ego and the unpredictability that brings to proceedings.

 

[Detective Conan]

I'm still waiting for the vote in a week and a half. At that point, I'll call it over, but I still have the tiniest bit of nervousness until then.

True. But we’re really close to the finish line imo.

 

[WeaponXCII]

I'm with Willie on this: "unlikely" still isn't good enough for me.

 

[Big Bang]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/16/comcast-unlikely-to-raise-fox-bid-focused-on-sky-sources.html
Comcast unlikely to raise Fox bid; focused on Sky - sources: CNBC

It's over. (bidding wise)

Comcast simply will not bid on Fox anymore for 2x reasons.

1) DOJ appeal
2) Bidding on Fox will cause the UK to raise the minimum bid of Sky. Comcast would screw themselves over if they push the price for Fox any higher.

At this stage of the game, I cannot see anyone else trying to get involved. Theoretically they can, but it is extremely unlikely. Go ahead and count the days if you must, but rest assured, this is a done deal.

In a regulatory filing last week, Disney said Fox may elect not to increase its offer for Sky, and that any increase in the debt financing for Sky would require Disney's consent, which it may not elect to provide.

Fox won't up its bid further for Sky either. Disney is letting Comcast is taking them. This opens the door for further deal making.

 

[Xeno]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/16/comcast-unlikely-to-raise-fox-bid-focused-on-sky-sources.html
Comcast unlikely to raise Fox bid; focused on Sky - sources: CNBC

This is crucial:

In a regulatory filing last week, Disney said Fox may elect not to increase its offer for Sky, and that any increase in the debt financing for Sky would require Disney's consent, which it may not elect to provide.

Iger signaled that Disney isn't pursuing Sky any longer, which gives Roberts the green-light to press forward and wrap up that deal. Any remaining incentive he might have had to keep after Fox evaporated.

 

[Docker2.0]

I can guarantee you that Marvel adds some kind of F4 wink into Avengers 4. Also, did anyone catch the nod to Galactus in Guardians of the Galaxy with the Celestial destroying that world with the power stone?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

This is crucial:



Iger signaled that Disney isn't pursuing Sky any longer, which gives Roberts the green-light to press forward and wrap up that deal. Any remaining incentive he might have had to keep after Fox evaporated.

Since they're not allowed to actually talk directly, I think there's a lot of subtle, indirect communication going on between Comcast and Disney.

I think Disney will back off and let them have the majority of Sky and likely then talk about selling the 39% after they've closed with Fox.

... But if Fox/Disney up their Sky bid again, I think Iger isn't playing and he's going for the jugular.

Personally, from my selfish point of view, I hope Disney lets Comcast get Sky and then sells them their share and hopefully gets Hulk and Namor in the process.