The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 22

[Crimz]

At this point I'm hoping there's no F4 film until 2023, because Doctor Doom is more important and there doesn't seem to be a dramatically compelling place in the schedule free for him until 2023 (Doctor Strange 3).

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[Willie Lumpkin]

Once he has been introduced, Doom can be featured in all kinds of stories, but he needs to be tied to the FF and Reed Richards. Their rivalry as the two greatest minds in the Marvel universe needs to be translated to the MCU.

 

[MasterCat]

Once he has been introduced, Doom can be featured in all kinds of stories, but he needs to be tied to the FF and Reed Richards. Their rivalry as the two greatest minds in the Marvel universe needs to be translated to the MCU.

And the easiest way to do that, unfortunately, is to make him the first villain the F4 fight. From there he could make a comeback as the co-protagonist of Doctor Strange 3 and kill T'Challa in the course of taking the vibranium mound in BP3.

 

[Krystal]

A Dr. Doom origin movie would fit perfectly in my dream -- "smaller 4th movie of the year" for the MCU. A movie that fits into the <$100 million dollar range.
Have a Feb, May, Aug and Nov permanent schedule with one each year with a moderate budget and more opportunities to fit in new franchises or "one-shot" movies that don't need to end up being a trilogy.


To me the Black Widow movie should be a smaller budgeted affair rather than trying to make it into an epic tentpole. Daredevil would have fit into that nicely if they hadn't done the series. I think they could even make smaller scope "episodic" movies of Cap and Iron Man someday when the actors have been replaced. Movies that don't need to move along the narrative of the entire MCU just to tell a good story.


Anyway, thumbs up to a solo Dr. Doom movie.

 

[Smurphftw]

It reminds me of that quote: "Is Ringo the best drummer in the world?" "Ringo isn't even the best drummer in the Beatles."

I don't even think First Class is in the top 5 of Fox/Marvel films... and that's a low bar.

I would put it in the top 5 Fox/Marvel movies for sure, and as far as Fox-Men are concerned I think they've set an inconsistent bar rather than a low bar.

The bar they've set for FF though, could hardly be lower.

Edit: Danigit I forgot about the Deadpool movies which knocks First Class out of the Top 5 lol

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Idk about that. I like how Spider-Man didn't fight his arch enemy in HC. Maybe X-MEN & FF should skip their arch as well

 

[MasterCat]

A Dr. Doom origin movie would fit perfectly in my dream -- "smaller 4th movie of the year" for the MCU. A movie that fits into the <$100 million dollar range.
Have a Feb, May, Aug and Nov permanent schedule with one each year with a moderate budget and more opportunities to fit in new franchises or "one-shot" movies that don't need to end up being a trilogy.

You mean "July." That's when Sony is going to distribute Spider-Man sequels in odd-numbered years, which Disney basically can't change.

 

[Marvel united]

I highly doubt the first F4 will once again feature Doom as the villain. He should be saved for Fantastic Four 2 because the first F4 needs to be fresh. Mole Man or Annihilus/Blastaar should be the villains depending on which direction they go in.

Doom could be introduced separately in another film and then go after the F4 once he sees Reed has risen to fame

 

[Crimz]

And the easiest way to do that, unfortunately, is to make him the first villain the F4 fight. From there he could make a comeback as the co-protagonist of Doctor Strange 3 and kill T'Challa in the course of taking the vibranium mound in BP3.

Doom should be saved and set-up for the 2nd or 3rd film. From then he can be a bigger threat to the MCU and maybe get his own film.
The problem with the previous films were that started with him when he's the type of villain that should be set-up as the threat he truly is. Every single FF film had him as the villain and the MCU version should avoid that.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

MCU is about to get a **** ton of villains

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I would put it in the top 5 Fox/Marvel movies for sure, and as far as Fox-Men are concerned I think they've set an inconsistent bar rather than a low bar.

The bar they've set for FF though, could hardly be lower.

Edit: Danigit I forgot about the Deadpool movies which knocks First Class out of the Top 5 lol

Yeah, in no particular order, I think Deadpool 1 and 2, Logan and X-Men 1 and 2 would easily push First-class out of the top 5, and I think there are still a few others I might put ahead of First-Class after that.

 

[MasterCat]

I highly doubt the first F4 will once again feature Doom as the villain. He should be saved for Fantastic Four 2 because the first F4 needs to be fresh. Mole Man or Annihilus/Blastaar should be the villains depending on which direction they go in.

Doom could be introduced separately in another film and then go after the F4 once he sees Reed has risen to fame

That's what I'm saying: introduce him as a co-protagonist with Doctor Strange (not open until 2023, because DS2 is already planned out), then kill T'Challa in Doomwar, then he goes after the F4 who were also introduced in 2023.

 

[MasterCat]

Doom should be saved and set-up for the 2nd or 3rd film. From then he can be a bigger threat to the MCU and maybe get his own film.

If he hates Reed so much, he'd come after them in their first sequel.
And no one wants to wait 3 years after a film from a cursed franchise to see Marvel's greatest antagonist.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I highly doubt the first F4 will once again feature Doom as the villain. He should be saved for Fantastic Four 2 because the first F4 needs to be fresh. Mole Man or Annihilus/Blastaar should be the villains depending on which direction they go in.

Doom could be introduced separately in another film and then go after the F4 once he sees Reed has risen to fame

How about this: College age Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom are shown in a non-FF film and that establishes their relationship and rivalry. Then the next time we see Doom, he's full-on, armor-plated Latveria dictator. Maybe he doesn't even fight anybody in the film that shows him that way, but we see him.

From then on, the MCU has Doom and they can start using him.

 

[Smurphftw]

Yeah, in no particular order, I think Deadpool 1 and 2, Logan and X-Men 1 and 2 would easily push First-class out of the top 5, and I think there are still a few others I might put ahead of First-Class after that.

Replace X1 with DofP and that's basically my top 5. DofP is probably my favorite truth be told. I unabashedly love that movie.

 

[MasterCat]

No one's refuted my point that First Class is a well-constructed Greek tragedy that addresses the real world...

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

If he hates Reed so much, he'd come after them in their first sequel.
And no one wants to wait 3 years after a film from a cursed franchise to see Marvel's greatest antagonist.

His primary motivation is power. Anybody who comes between him and power could be his first fight.

I don't want an FF film in which the primary conflict is Doom trying to destroy them. That's bush-league Frightful Four stuff.

A good story should feature the villain doing something that will harm innocents with the heroes getting involved to protect those innocents.

If heroes are just protecting themselves, they're not heroes, they're just trying to survive. Sadly too many films and TV shows don't recognize that basic premise.

 

[2kt09]

No one's refuted my point that First Class is a well-constructed Greek tragedy that addresses the real world...

which Greek tragedy?
and what real-world? it was intended to be hyper stylized & evoking the old Bond movies

 

[Iceman]

The X-men will be more popular than they were at Fox and they will eventually get into the billion club but they will never get close to 2 billion. That's what me and the majority thinks it's gonna happen.

I don't see any movie in the forseeable future touching IW's gross let alone another comic book movie. Maybe Avengers 4 but that's still Avengers.

1B is a great number anyway. Hopefully the later X-Men sequels can push further past $1B into the larger numbers. Of course this is all banking on Feige hitting it out of the park and it being a lot better than what we've seen before.

 

[MasterCat]

How about this: College age Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom are shown in a non-FF film and that establishes their relationship and rivalry. Then the next time we see Doom, he's full-on, armor-plated Latveria dictator. Maybe he doesn't even fight anybody in the film that shows him that way, but we see him.

From then on, the MCU has Doom and they can start using him.

Yes to the college part if it makes someone else's movie a better story, but Victor's first appearance in armor has to be a full part of his character arc to count. Something on the scale of a mid-credits commercial while Reed gets a 2-hour film would be a yawn.

 

[HBarnill]

That would be cool to see but RDJ may be gone post-A4 and there won't be a new Iron Man solo for awhile. I could see Doom appearing in BP2 as a side villain setting him up for the wider MU

Who said it had to be RDJ? Just use Riri Williams.

 

[Iceman]

I would put it in the top 5 Fox/Marvel movies for sure, and as far as Fox-Men are concerned I think they've set an inconsistent bar rather than a low bar.

The bar they've set for FF though, could hardly be lower.

Edit: Danigit I forgot about the Deadpool movies which knocks First Class out of the Top 5 lol

The bar is the minimum standard Think high jump in athletics.

The bar for Fox X-films is very low, but on several occasions they have cleared it by a huge distance.

 

[Smurphftw]

No one's refuted my point that First Class is a well-constructed Greek tragedy that addresses the real world...

I don't usually analyze movies that deeply to be honest. I just thought it was good despite some of the glaring continuity issues with previously established Fox-Men canon.

 

[2kt09]

Who said it had to be RDJ? Just use Riri Williams.

Rather have Iron Lad.

 

[Marvel united]

How about this: College age Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom are shown in a non-FF film and that establishes their relationship and rivalry. Then the next time we see Doom, he's full-on, armor-plated Latveria dictator. Maybe he doesn't even fight anybody in the film that shows him that way, but we see him.

From then on, the MCU has Doom and they can start using him.

I mean, I guess that could work. But I want Doom to be this mysterious figure that nobody knows much about. The layers should slowly be pulled back over the course of a couple of films where we learn about him being peers with Reed and the accident that scarred his face.