The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 20

[wobbly]

As I understand it Fox will be rebranded as 'New Fox' post deal (unless that's just a placeholder name for the current paperwork). Any properties that ain't suited to Disney would likely remain under that banner.

 

[Spiderine]

Umm, 20th Centurry Fox and all of it's properties will be broken up and absorbed into Disney once the deal closes. Fox will not be an entity anymore so they'll have zero say on what happens with the X-Men

We don't really know if FOX will be dissolved. They make it keep it as one of its brands to release certain kinds of films. I do believe the Marvel stuff will transfer over to Marvel Studios in due time.

 

[MasterCat]

As I understand it Fox will be rebranded as 'New Fox' post deal (unless that's just a placeholder name for the current paperwork). Any properties that ain't suited to Disney would likely remain under that banner.

Disney is not buying New Fox. New Fox is part of Murdoch's News Corp empire. Disney is buying 21st Century Fox, which was split off from assets like Fox News.

 

[Fallen]

Maybe the reshoots are to turn them into completely different non-X-Men characters and remove any reference to the franchise. It could still be released but not as an X-Men film.

It can be released as Fifty Shades of Dark Grey.

.

Thank God that FOX removed "X-Men" from the Dark Phoenix title.

 

[Big Bang]

Further guidance on where foreign regulatory approval should be given August 7th.

Also,

39% of 34B (100% of Sky) = 13.26B
30% of 8.7B (100% of Hulu) = 2.61B

The below are very conservative. I think the worth of each of the below assets are quite likely below that

Fox's non physical (i.e. Google Play, itunes, PSN, etc) distribution rights to Dreamwork Animation movies = 50MM
Hulk, Namor, and other outstanding Marvel movie rights = 200MM
Marvel Theme Park rights East of the Mississippi and Spiderman theme park rights in Japan = 500MM

Swapping all assets like Faber suggested would require an additional ~10B payment - at a minimum - from CMCSA to DIS to complete the transaction.

Overall Comcast can close out for 100% of Sky for relatively economic figures then. That should give them plenty of incentive to make a deal favorable to both parties overall. Assuming they don't offer to buy Star from Disney as well.

The prospect of getting full control over the remaining rights held by Universal on top of the ones from Fox within a short span of time. Who thought it could even possibly turn out that way in a (potentially) short period of time? Makes me wonder if maybe (just maybe) there could be something in the cards for Spider-Man down the road.

 

[Tymminator]

I'm pretty sure Disney will turn 21st Century Fox into 21st Century Pictures and keep that image and fanfare...too much history with that intro.

Overall Comcast can close out for 100% of Sky for relatively economic figures then. That should give them plenty of incentive to make a deal favorable to both parties overall. Assuming they don't offer to buy Star from Disney as well.

The prospect of getting full control over the remaining rights held by Universal on top of the ones from Fox within a short span of time. Who thought it could even possibly turn out that way in a (potentially) short period of time? Makes me wonder if maybe (just maybe) there could be something in the cards for Spider-Man down the road.

Indeed.

My personal guess is Sony and Marvel Studios/Disney are going to deal on the remainder of the Spider-man within the next 5 years tops.

 

[wobbly]

Disney is not buying New Fox. New Fox is part of Murdoch's News Corp empire. Disney is buying 21st Century Fox, which was split off from assets like Fox News.

Yeah I got my wires crossed thinking about the article I'd read where I saw that name mentioned. My bad.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm pretty sure Disney will turn 21st Century Fox into 21st Century Pictures and keep that image and fanfare...too much history with that intro.

Maybe they can put them before the Star Wars films again, just because.

 

[wobbly]

Put "A division of Walt Disney Co" at the bottom in honour of the Simpsons prediction perhaps.

 

[Tymminator]

Maybe they can put them before the Star Wars films again, just because.

Yep.

 

[DyfeddRex]

Put "A division of Walt Disney Co" at the bottom in honour of the Simpsons prediction perhaps.

but have it done in humor, with Bart Simpson graffiting it on there...

 

[ADollarADay]

Overall Comcast can close out for 100% of Sky for relatively economic figures then. That should give them plenty of incentive to make a deal favorable to both parties overall. Assuming they don't offer to buy Star from Disney as well.

The prospect of getting full control over the remaining rights held by Universal on top of the ones from Fox within a short span of time. Who thought it could even possibly turn out that way in a (potentially) short period of time? Makes me wonder if maybe (just maybe) there could be something in the cards for Spider-Man down the road.

Most definitely.

And I want to remind people that Hulk movie rights, Namor movie rights, and Theme park movie rights are very very very low priority items.

Hulk movie rights - Disney/Marvel can already do whatever Hulk story they want. They can use Hulk however they want. A big example is Planet Hulk being loosely done in Thor Ragnarok.
Namor movie rights - No one in the GA knows who the hell Namor is. No one can do a Namor movie without Marvel's say so as per Feige. Not high priority.
Theme park rights - Marvel Lands can already be built WW outside of Orlando. They can't use the name Marvel but everyone knows that's what it is. Universal cannot have a new ride or do a major upgrade in Marvel Land in IoA without Marvel's approval. Not a high priority as Disney is perfectly content getting free cash flow with no risk of capital

These three are just items you put on a deal as incentives, nothing more nothing less.

 

[DyfeddRex]

But, those rights are our next focus, after yanking on a long webline and pulling all the Spidey rights home permanently this time.

 

[Tymminator]

Most definitely.

And I want to remind people that Hulk movie rights, Namor movie rights, and Theme park movie rights are very very very low priority items.

Hulk movie rights - Disney/Marvel can already do whatever Hulk story they want. They can use Hulk however they want. A big example is Planet Hulk being loosely done in Thor Ragnarok.
Namor movie rights - No one in the GA knows who the hell Namor is. No one can do a Namor movie without Marvel's say so as per Feige. Not high priority.
Theme park rights - Marvel Lands can already be built WW outside of Orlando. They can't use the name Marvel but everyone knows that's what it is. Universal cannot have a new ride or do a major upgrade in Marvel Land in IoA without Marvel's approval. Not a high priority as Disney is perfectly content getting free cash flow with no risk of capital

These three are just items you put on a deal as incentives, nothing more nothing less.

Disney is really in a sweet position.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Sony, Sony, Sony...

I still don't understand how a Spidey-less Venom movie is gonna work.

 

[Tymminator]

I'm sure there may be many who want to see it, but I am not in their number. It approaches almost Fan4stic level of interest for me....its not quite there, but it's close. I
guess it depends on a combo of how bored I am and if any family or friends really want me to see it with them.

 

[Zarex]

Most definitely.

And I want to remind people that Hulk movie rights, Namor movie rights, and Theme park movie rights are very very very low priority items.

Hulk movie rights - Disney/Marvel can already do whatever Hulk story they want. They can use Hulk however they want. A big example is Planet Hulk being loosely done in Thor Ragnarok.
Namor movie rights - No one in the GA knows who the hell Namor is. No one can do a Namor movie without Marvel's say so as per Feige. Not high priority.
Theme park rights - Marvel Lands can already be built WW outside of Orlando. They can't use the name Marvel but everyone knows that's what it is. Universal cannot have a new ride or do a major upgrade in Marvel Land in IoA without Marvel's approval. Not a high priority as Disney is perfectly content getting free cash flow with no risk of capital

These three are just items you put on a deal as incentives, nothing more nothing less.

I would remove at least two of those "verys" when it comes to theme park rights. Cloning existing rides cuts down tremendously on developmental costs for multi-million dollar E ticket theme park attractions, and I am sure Iger would love to put Marvel rides developed for Cali, China and France in Florida AND promote the wildly popular Marvel name in the parks.

And this may very well be the last opportunity to clean up the rights mess he bought into back in 2009. I bet Comcast and Disney come to some arrangement.

 

[Random490]

Umm, 20th Centurry Fox and all of it's properties will be broken up and absorbed into Disney once the deal closes. Fox will not be an entity anymore so they'll have zero say on what happens with the X-Men

We don't really know if FOX will be dissolved. They make it keep it as one of its brands to release certain kinds of films. I do believe the Marvel stuff will transfer over to Marvel Studios in due time.

Yeah, I haven't heard anything about dissolving 20th Century Fox and I kind of doubt they would. I mean they'd be throwing away an entire production company that can increase their revenue by keep making movies. More likely there will be a soft re-brand like Tymminator suggested and they'll continue doing their thing, albeit with new leadership. It just expands Disney's market to have a studio like Fox. It's not the first time Disney had acquired a production company and allowed them to continue.

I see all Fox's Marvel rights transferring over to Disney, if only to allow Disney's new streaming service to have first crack at future X-Men and FF films. Otherwise they will end up in HBO's pay window due to a contract that doesn't expire until 2022. I could see Avatar switching studios as well.

Eh, any movie made post deal will likely be available past that expiration date, so if 20th Century really wants to keep it they can make the argument. I mean they don't have a position of strength on the matter when push comes to shove, but there can be benefits for them producing future X movies.

 

[Silver Surfer]

If this thing closes by the end of the year, you can bet Dark Phoenix and New Mutants gets moved to Disney streaming.

 

[Marvel united]

There won't be anymore Fox-Marvel films post-deal Random. I guarantee Marvel Studios will absorb all Fox Marvel properties no ifs, ands or buts.

 

[Detective Conan]

No. Dark Phoenix will still get released even if Disney gets Fox though I do wonder if Dark Phoenix’s current February release date will remain the same (if the deal closes in time). I personally think Dark Phoenix’s release date will likely get moved up yet again though this time it might come out sometime after Captain Marvel which releases in March. If the Skrulls should make their first cinematic debut in Dark Phoenix I feel Marvel wouldn’t much care for that and likely would priotise on a movie that they had full involvement in than a movie that(before the merger) Fox made. Marvel would want audiences first exposure to the Skrulls to be in Captain Marvel not Dark Phoenix.

Marvel/Disney wouldn’t want these two movies set in the same time period but in totally different universes from each other being released a month apart. That’s going to create some brand confusion since general audiences generally aren’t aware that MCU Marvel is different from Fox Marvel. Now New Mutants is one where I can definitely see being shelved and dumped on the streaming service.

 

[Drexelhand]

I will miss the blacked out 'X' before each X-Men movie in the 20th Century Fox logo, maybe they can keep that and add the horn back on before the Star Wars theme. Those just seem to go really well with both.

 

[MasterCat]

If this thing closes by the end of the year, you can bet Dark Phoenix and New Mutants gets moved to Disney streaming.

$180 million dollars. Publicly-traded company.

 

[Silver Surfer]

$180 million dollars. Publicly-traded company.

That is peanuts, heck shells of peanuts for Disney and Marvel. Also the 180 million have already been allocated and spent before the closing of this deal by Fox, not Disney. Besides, moving it to streaming is a good move to bring more attention to their new marque service.

 

[MasterCat]

... no. There's a reason every Hollywood film that cost more than $20 million dollars has been released to theaters. Just stop.