The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Endeavor]

They need to divest them...

Those "defenders of competition" don't really care about possible conflict. They just want more than Iger has offered. Apparently promises of Carioca Disneyland aren't enough. They want $$$ in their personal bank accounts...

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

then it wouldnt be worthy.

Cyclops deserves a good introduction, not a 5 seconds cameo, when general audience wont know him yet. I preffer a proper introduction instead of a quick one where none will care about the character.

I agree, and often cited that as one of the biggest problems of the Fox films, but there's no reason they can't do both.

They could introduce Johnny and Scott as two kids without parents or powers, and then they could feature both in their own films later.

 

[Zarex]

Disney will want to keep the sports channels. Iger has reiterated how important live sports is.

But Bob has already agreed to give up the RSNs. Is it worth delaying the deal to hang onto a 2nd Brazilian sports network?

I'm surprised that this is an issue. I thought the Murdochs were holding onto the Fox Sports cable networks.

 

[Iceman]

I think most of us want that for Storm. Great set of actors if we were to get a Norman Osborn, which would itself be an exciting prospect. Also Asa getting a role would be no surprise. Definitely a strong up-and-comer.

 

[Marvel united]

Some of it sounds cool.

Big NO to Amadeus Hulk tho.

Have Cho included sure, but not to replace Banner. Pair him up with Herc and face them both up against the Chaos King.

It does make you wonder about Hulk, though. She-Hulk would be a suitable replacement for Banner

 

[Detective Conan]

I don’t want Amadeus Cho in the MCU. When the Thing dukes it out with the Green Goliath. I want it to be the original. There is only one and only Jade Giant and that’s ‘Puny Banner.’

 

[Marvel united]

I don’t want Amadeus Cho in the MCU. When the Thing dukes it out with the Green Goliath. I want it to be the original. There is only one and only Jade Giant and that’s ‘Puny Banner.’

But Banner may not be around in the next 3-5 years, so we won't have a choice. Either Amadeus or no Hulk.

Maybe Jennifer/She-Hulk can double as the new Hulk-like character.

 

[Cobalt Panther]

But Banner may not be around in the next 3-5 years, so we won't have a choice. Either Amadeus or no Hulk.

Maybe Jennifer/She-Hulk can double as the new Hulk-like character.

Or recast Banner?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Again, as per my stance on legacy characters, I would prefer no Hulk once Banner is gone. Having a million Hulks devalues Banner IMO. Same applies for a million Captain Americas, Iron Men, etc. Let new characters forge their own legacies without the burden of a prior character's name. I'd be okay with She-Hulk, but not another Hulk.

 

[Endeavor]

Jennifer yes, ChoHulk no. Amadeus can be used in better ways than having him usurp someone else's character.

 

[Marvel united]

Again, as per my stance on legacy characters, I would prefer no Hulk once Banner is gone. Having a million Hulks devalues Banner IMO. Same applies for a million Captain Americas, Iron Men, etc. Let new characters forge their own legacies without the burden of a prior character's name. I'd be okay with She-Hulk, but not another Hulk.

Well, that's why She-Hulk is the best alternative. She's her own character and not just Hulk clone but at the same time, she can fulfill that role/void left behind by Banner.

 

[Abudefduf]

I'm against recasting characters. The MCU doesn't have a floating timeline, it would be weird to see the certain characters periodically rejuvenate while others grow older.

Jesus, is this an official concept art? Whoever drew this should be in prison.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Well, that's why She-Hulk is the best alternative. She's her own character and not just Hulk clone but at the same time, she can fulfill that role/void left behind by Banner.

She grew into her own role and has a rich history to pull from, I agree. But HulkCho is a hard pass for me. Like, hard pass. There is literally no part of me that wants that.

 

[Crimz]

Again, as per my stance on legacy characters, I would prefer no Hulk once Banner is gone. Having a million Hulks devalues Banner IMO. Same applies for a million Captain Americas, Iron Men, etc. Let new characters forge their own legacies without the burden of a prior character's name. I'd be okay with She-Hulk, but not another Hulk.

I agree with this, except for Captain America and She-Hulk. Captain America has always been more of a symbol to me that could easily be passed on. As Marvel united said, She-Hulk is her own character that has earned to be called more than just a Hulk derivative.

 

[Zarex]

Again, as per my stance on legacy characters, I would prefer no Hulk once Banner is gone. Having a million Hulks devalues Banner IMO. Same applies for a million Captain Americas, Iron Men, etc. Let new characters forge their own legacies without the burden of a prior character's name. I'd be okay with She-Hulk, but not another Hulk.

And again, I defy your prejudicial anti-legacy stance! Give me Asian Hulk, Black Cap, Gay Thor and Lady Iron Man! Give the next generation a standard to strive for! Have them earn the title draped in glory by their esteemed predecessors! LEGACY! LEGACY!

 

[Endeavor]

Why can't attempts at diversity be more like Kamala Khan?
Most of these others just come off as lazy and forced.

 

[Spider-Fan]

And again, I defy your prejudicial anti-legacy stance! Give me Asian Hulk, Black Cap, Gay Thor and Lady Iron Man! Give the next generation a standard to strive for! Have them earn the title draped in glory by their esteemed predecessors! LEGACY! LEGACY!

Or just give me new characters that are not just versions of other characters who are bound to not get the same love and attention the originals did. We have more than enough characters in Marvel who are not just reskins of other characters who would be new and much more exciting. I'd rather see Storm than Jane Foster Thor, etc.

 

[ADollarADay]

But Bob has already agreed to give up the RSNs. Is it worth delaying the deal to hang onto a 2nd Brazilian sports network?

I'm surprised that this is an issue. I thought the Murdochs were holding onto the Fox Sports cable networks.

That was undoubtedly because of the looming threat from Roberts and friends. They wouldn't have given up the RSNs otherwise and would have fought it IMO.

EDIT: New Fox is keeping the national Fox Sports channels. Keyword being national (i.e. US -> FS1 and FS2).

 

[Marvel united]

She grew into her own role and has a rich history to pull from, I agree. But HulkCho is a hard pass for me. Like, hard pass. There is literally no part of me that wants that.

I wouldn't be mind Cho. I think legacy characters are the natural evolution-next step for these characters. I think Spider-Verse proved that Legacy can be a very compelling story and it's all about execution.


So bring on Riri Williams, Cho, Bucky/Falcon-Cap, Jane-Thor and Kate Bishop. What makes you Captain America/Iron Man, makes you Cap/Shellhead

 

[Endeavor]

Plus, you have grossly underused characters waiting to be brought to the limelight. Build those up, give them relevant stories. Revamp then...

Don't give me a honduran Warren Worthington iii, because you happened to have seen that country mentioned in recent stories about the caravan and think it would somehow make the character "fresh" or "relevant".

 

[Dark Raven]

Or recast Banner?

If they did recast Banner, I suggest Jake Epstein from Suits and Designated Survivor.

He sometimes seems a bit like a young Mark Ruffalo and has a similar voice. He could easily play a younger Banner who feels like the same character.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I wouldn't be mind Cho. I think legacy characters are the natural evolution-next step for these characters. I think Spider-Verse proved that Legacy can be a very compelling story and it's all about execution.


So bring on Riri Williams, Cho, Bucky/Falcon-Cap, Jane-Thor and Kate Bishop. What makes you Captain America/Iron Man, makes you Cap/Shellhead

Again, this to me is a waste of a slot. We're going to get 3-4 movies a year, and instead of just recycling stuff I'd prefer new characters to get their own movies. Every time you do a Falcon Cap, that takes away an opportunity from someone else like a Storm or a Nova, etc. The natural evolution is not to literally reskin characters, it is to fill those voids with other characters. You don't need a literal Captain America, you need someone who fills those same roles (like Captain Marvel is potentially going to do in the next phase). You don't need Tony Stark when you have Reed Richards. Etc. Fills these voids with new characters. Give them opportunities. Grow the franchise. Legacy characters to me = stagnation and lack of new ideas.

 

[Endeavor]

He does look like Ruffalo!

 

[Marvel united]

Again, this to me is a waste of a slot. We're going to get 3-4 movies a year, and instead of just recycling stuff I'd prefer new characters to get their own movies. Every time you do a Falcon Cap, that takes away an opportunity from someone else like a Storm or a Nova, etc. The natural evolution is not to literally reskin characters, it is to fill those voids with other characters. You don't need a literal Captain America, you need someone who fills those same roles (like Captain Marvel is potentially going to do in the next phase). You don't need Tony Stark when you have Reed Richards. Etc. Fills these voids with new characters. Give them opportunities. Grow the franchise. Legacy characters to me = stagnation and lack of new ideas.

But why does there have to be a set number/quota of who can fill certain archetypes? In the Marvel Universe -- Reed and Stark co-exist and have done so for decades. Falcon-Cap and Storm/Nova co-exist in the comics. There's room for legacy stories to be told and new characters to be introduced at the same time. If you limit the "Patriotic/leader-type" to one hero then you make the MCU feel small.

Imagine a mature Peter Parker mentoring a young Riri Williams/Iron Heart. The symbolism would be soo powerful- a reverse of the roles in Homecoming/IW. These stories have potential to be just as emotionally fulfilling as introducing new people.

Again, see Spider-Verse

 

[Endeavor]

Again, this to me is a waste of a slot. We're going to get 3-4 movies a year, and instead of just recycling stuff I'd prefer new characters to get their own movies. Every time you do a Falcon Cap, that takes away an opportunity from someone else like a Storm or a Nova, etc. The natural evolution is not to literally reskin characters, it is to fill those voids with other characters. You don't need a literal Captain America, you need someone who fills those same roles (like Captain Marvel is potentially going to do in the next phase). You don't need Tony Stark when you have Reed Richards. Etc. Fills these voids with new characters. Give them opportunities. Grow the franchise. Legacy characters to me = stagnation and lack of new ideas.

Preach
Sam can take over any role Cap leaves open without having to lose his identity, as if somehow Falcon is a lesser title than Captain America.
The real reason these things happen most of the time is legal, real-world, financial and rights related. But it makes for better pr if they claim isit for the sake of diversity and representation.
It's lazy.
They could have Falcon become more prominent without changing moniker. They could've kept the rights to the cap title irl by reprinting old issues in minimal numbers, when absolutely necessary by law, until the hiatus they had planned played out. But all that takes more thinking and planning... So they don't.