The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[WeaponXCII]

Igers meeting with CADE was apparently inconclusive no decision has been made.

Damn. The absolute latest the deal can close is June 14th, 2019, right? I have a feeling we might be getting pretty close to that deadline.

 

[Darkprime]

Mexico IFT update.They haven't set a date to meet on yet to discuss approval and their decision won't be revealed publicly when they do. Apparently Mexico IFT is the last hurdle.

 

[Marvel united]

@Spider-Fan well at least we can agree on Kate Bishop. It's a shame more wasn't done with Barton.

I think it's also time they introduced Jessica Drew into the MCU

 

[The Infernal]

I think a Black Widow movie would be a great excuse to introduce Spider-woman as a Hydra remnant.

 

[Dark Raven]

How come Clint Barton never named his daughter Dolly?

 

[terry78]

Get out.

 

[Endeavor]

LOL

 

[Dark Raven]

He could've put his daughter to work 9 to 5.

 

[Raiders]

Rumors has it that Channing Tatum will play Adam Warlock, not Gambit anymore.

 

[terry78]

Still feel that role best goes to McConaughey.

 

[Xeno]

And who wouldn't want to see Kate Bishop in the (rumored) Hawkeye TV show? Nobody, that's who!

I wouldn't want to see Bishop taking up valuable space in a Hawkeye show or movie. Kid knockoffs of existing characters haven't appealed to me since I was a kid myself. There is nothing, and I mean nothing, more annoying than the teenage sidekick/protege who displays spunk and pluck and sass and a can-do attitude. Or whatever variation on those qualities Bishop possesses. Rick Jones was one I despised back in the day. Bucky could have been another one, except he had the common decency to get himself blown up back in WWII. (And he should have stayed dead.)

Side rant:

Spoiler

Grown men traipsing around with kids they're not related to is one of the weirdest tropes in superhero comics. It is beyond bizarre that so many heroes take up with children and yet no one in their world(s) ever questions that. It's freakish is what it is. People who hate Clint Barton's absolutely normal family in the MCU love seeing him in an oddball partnership with a teenage girl in the comics. That doesn't make sense to me. Normal guys don't hang out with underage kids. Those are the kind of creepy guys we used to avoid when I was young. They're freaks and everybody knows it.

It would be far more interesting to see Wiccan and Speed, who have their own personalities and powers, suddenly appear in Wanda and Vision's lives without explanation (at first). Their powers, the fact that Speed is reminiscent of the late Pietro and their mysterious relationship to their parents would make them very compelling.

 

[terry78]

It's some kind of wish fulfillment for the kid I think is what the writers were trying to do.

 

[Darkprime]

Chloe Zhao director of the Eternals has a new movie coming out.

First Look at Chloé Zhao’s ‘Nomadland’ Starring Francis McDormand

 

[MbJ]

Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, Johnny Storm, Carol Danvers, Scott Lang, Kamala Khan, Damien Wayne, Ted Kord, Jaime Reyes, Michael Holt, Ray Palmer, America Chavez, John Stewart, Kate Bishop, Wally West, Hope Van Dyne, Miles Morales, Zatanna, Courtney Whitmore........legacy characters work WAY more often than they are given credit for.

Hell, I remember when the Green Lantern movie and TV show came out and a bunch of people in the mainstream kept asking why he didn’t look like the guy from the Justice League cartoon. In fact, I’m 100 percent sure that’s why the upcoming GL Corps reboot is confirmed to feature both John and Hal instead of just being another attempted Hal solo vehicle.

That said, I do think it’s much easier to get an audience to accept a legacy character when the original wasn’t all that popular to begin with, like Jaime Reyes taking over for Ted Kord. That’s why Kate Bishop is a really good choice.

 

[Xeno]

Igers meeting with CADE was apparently inconclusive no decision has been made.

Iger obviously didn't pack enough cash in his carryon bag. Next time he goes to Brazil he needs to lease a cargo plane and load it down with pallets of unmarked bills in small denominations.

 

[Iceman]

I think a Black Widow movie would be a great excuse to introduce Spider-woman as a Hydra remnant.

Any excuse would do for me.

 

[Abudefduf]

Black Widow is a prequel, though. Or at least that's the rumor.

Side rant:

Spoiler

Grown men traipsing around with kids they're not related to is one of the weirdest tropes in superhero comics. It is beyond bizarre that so many heroes take up with children and yet no one in their world(s) ever questions that. It's freakish is what it is. People who hate Clint Barton's absolutely normal family in the MCU love seeing him in an oddball partnership with a teenage girl in the comics. That doesn't make sense to me. Normal guys don't hang out with underage kids. Those are the kind of creepy guys we used to avoid when I was young. They're freaks and everybody knows it.

But it's cute when handled well

 

[TheVileOne]

I mean, the kid sidekick angle has never been a huge thing for me. At the same time, there a lot of things about superhero comics and tropes that don't really make sense or work when applied to real life.

For starters, superheroes being allowed to exist without any type of serious government oversight or regulation. When you get right down to it, superheroes are fascist. They are law-breaking vigilantes who take the law into their own hands and violate the rights of criminals.

But people like the idea of their being these exceptional individual who will run toward danger and protect us with their superpowers because it's the right thing to do. I get it, but it's still a fantasy at the end of the day.

I like stories like One-Punch Man because they actually satirize and deconstruct superhero tropes in interesting ways. For starters, there's a government system in place that regulates superheroes. Heroes are ranked and basically employed by the government. I guess technically they don't have to be, but there's a system in place for that.

In My Hero Academia, heroes are licensed and they have to go through rigorous licensing and exams to gain their licenses. Also, their activities are regulated. They have to work in tandem with the authorities and their things they are not allowed to do, otherwise they would be de-licensed and face serious criminal charges.

There are unlicensed vigilantes in the world of My Hero Academia. They essentially are criminals and are operating outside the law. I think my understanding is in the Vigilantes spinoff, they look the other way because the main vigilante in the MHA world does more harm than good. I guess sort of like what Gordon does with Batman.

I mean in the Avengers film, Tony Stark is basically acting as a mentor and father figure to Spider-Man. I think that's OK. I don't think it's weird or creepy either. It's alright for teens to be mentored by adults without it being creepy. Sorry.

I think it's from the perspective of an older more experienced hero showing a younger one the ropes, it makes sense.

In My Hero Academia, that's what is happening with All might and Deku. Deku shadows All Might as well like when they go to I Island for the movie. Why? All Might is basically training Deku to be his replacement. He thinks its important for Deku to see and hear all these things and get on the job experience. IMHO nothing creepy about that. All Might is not some creepy old perv who wants to hang around young boys. If anything, Deku is the closest thing he has to a son, and for Deku, All Might is basically like his surrogate father.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The subject comes up in American superhero stories, but almost always registration is portrayed as morally wrong and Pro Reg politicians are frequently outright villainous. Japanese manga in general (not always) seems to have a more favorable view of the government/law enforcement than in the west. Even if they are obstacles to the heroes (and Japan likes rebellious protagonists much like the west does), they tend to be presented as more incompetent than outright evil. And even if they are evil it is usually an individual or group corrupting the system for their own purposes rather than the whole system itself being wrong.

 

[terry78]

We do enjoy our conspiracy theories about corrupt organizations.

 

[Moridin]

Black Widow is a prequel, though. Or at least that's the rumor.

I doubt the film will a full prequel. Maybe some flash backs.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

No they wouldn't.
The nature of the character (constantly breaking the 4th wall) lends itself for seamless transition into the MCU, keeping Reynolds without having to keep anything else from FOX. He's already made meta jokes in his own movies about casting, when he mentioned McAvoy and Stewart, it will probably be something similar when he shows up in an MCU movie.

Its unconcevable according to me

Feige wants to keep one universe, MCU (Avengers, guardians, X-men, F4 and Deadpool r-rated included in MCU) and not MCU and Deadpool R-rated separate universe

And to include Deadpool in MCU we must reboot

 

[Iceman]

The subject comes up in American superhero stories, but almost always registration is portrayed as morally wrong and Pro Reg politicians are frequently outright villainous. Japanese manga in general (not always) seems to have a more favorable view of the government/law enforcement than in the west. Even if they are obstacles to the heroes (and Japan likes rebellious protagonists much like the west does), they tend to be presented as more incompetent than outright evil. And even if they are evil it is usually an individual or group corrupting the system for their own purposes rather than the whole system itself being wrong.

Oh right, interesting to hear about their approach.

 

[Iceman]

Its unconcevable according to me

Feige wants to keep one universe, MCU (Avengers, guardians, X-men, F4 and Deadpool r-rated included in MCU) and not MCU and Deadpool R-rated separate universe

And to include Deadpool in MCU we must reboot

Why? This plays up to the nature of Deadpool’s 4th wall comedy even more. The takeover and new rebooted versions of X-Men will give him great material, especially when we get our 3rd Xavier, Magneto, Mystique etc.

 

[Iceman]

We do enjoy our conspiracy theories about corrupt organizations.

I like in Transformers films where you have military forces working with the heroes.