The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[OB12]

I honestly don't think the Marvel Girl name is like this huge beacon of unexplored territory/characters struggle. It's a name. At most, it's a slightly new blip about her we never saw in other movies. But it is not something that is going to provide more than that. So I don't see it as this massive gain or something. But that's just me.

But that's all I have to say on this matter.

Also, it is not codename that means much to those of us that grew up with the X-men Animated series from the 90s, as she was almost never referred to as Marvel Girl. She has been Jean Grey first and foremost. If the MCU wants something different for their X-men, then hopefully they will take some cues from the animated series.

 

[Dark Raven]

@Spider-Fan It puts a fresh branding on the character that immediately separates MCU Jean from the Fox films Jean right out of the gate. The simple fact that "Marvel Girl" has never been used is reason enough but it also signals to the market and to the audience that this is MARVEL'S Jean Grey and considering Jean is one of figure heads of the X-Men franchise, that will in fact go a very long way in differentiation from what Singer did. Just the word "Marvel" conveys a sense of fantastical and-and comic book perspicacity that the Fox films never had.


I mean, I'd rather her be called Phoenix than just be called "Jean" again but I think Marvel Girl is the much more natural, much more fitting fit for her debut in the MCU. And Phoenix carries too much weight and baggage from the connotations that are closely associated within that name. It means a very specific thing in the context of the X-Men mythos.


I guess we can just agree to disagree

I think she could've been called Phoenix if there was never a Fox X-Men, and if they hadn't done the Phoenix storyline twice before. But now that they have, it is stale, and as you say, it carries certain baggage with it.

If Dark Phoenix is a real stinker too, they're not going to want to use that name to distance themselves from that.

But it begs the question why Jean can't think of a code name for herself while all the others could. Or why she doesn't want one, and then why she adopts one later on as Phoenix.

 

[Detective Conan]

I think a simple costume change, marketing campaign, and action figure can make people aware this is "Marvel's" Jean Grey without using the Marvel Girl name. I don't think the name "Marvel Girl" is so amazing that it will blow people's minds.

But again, that's just me.

I respect the late great Stan the Man immensely but I will always maintain that the name 'Marvel Girl' is exemplifies how lazy his writing was at times.

 

[Marvel united]

Also, it is not codename that means much to those of us that grew up with the X-men Animated series from the 90s, as she was almost never referred to as Marvel Girl. She has been Jean Grey first and foremost. If the MCU wants something different for their X-men, then hopefully they will take some cues from the animated series.

Well, She was referred to as MG looong before TAS in the 60s-70s-80s and long after in Ultimate X-Men and W&TXM in the early to late 2000s.

No doubt they will take inspiration from TAS but the MCU X-Men will probably be a conglomerate of many different interpretations, including TAS. I see them taking inspiration from Wolverine and the X-Men as well. (That show was actually produced by Marvel Studios)

I think she could've been called Phoenix if there was never a Fox X-Men, and if they hadn't done the Phoenix storyline twice before. But now that they have, it is stale, and as you say, it carries certain baggage with it.

If Dark Phoenix is a real stinker too, they're not going to want to use that name to distance themselves from that.

But it begs the question why Jean can't think of a code name for herself while all the others could. Or why she doesn't want one, and then why she adopts one later on as Phoenix.

Exactly. The Fox films have made that name/story too infamous. Hearing it again in the very first MCU X-Men movie may leave a bad taste in people's mouths, especially if Dark Phoenix is as bad the scoopers are saying. Marvel may not want to be associated with anything Phoenix for a long time.

I haven't read the original Lee/Kirby run in a long time nor the X-Men origins books that came out in 2008-2009. But I believe Charles was the one who came up with everybody's names. The Phoenix clone of Jean called itself the Phoenix soon as she emerged from Jamaica Bay

 

[Dark Raven]

I respect the late great Stan the Man immensely but I will always maintain that the name 'Marvel Girl' is exemplifies how lazy his writing was at times.

I think it was alluding to her telekenesis at the time (she wasn't a telepath yet - that was only retconned later). So it looked like she could do these marvellous things moving objects around etc. I don't know what other names there are for telekenesis. I don't think it was lazy writing. It was simply the silver age, and other characters had names similar to that sort of thing before.

 

[Art Freak]

No news is bad news because it leads to pedantic musings on how the word ‘marvel’ for the Marvel Company is the same as the word ‘man’! Let’s just crowbar the word marvel into all the characters’ names and we’ll have a BEING JOHN MALKOVICH situation soon. Or Smurf. “Marvel told Marvel to go Marvel himself.”

 

[Detective Conan]

I think it was alluding to her telekenesis at the time (she wasn't a telepath yet - that was only retconned later). So it looked like she could do these marvellous things moving objects around etc. I don't know what other names there are for telekenesis. I don't think it was lazy writing. It was simply the silver age, and other characters had names similar to that sort of thing before.

That might have been the intention but I just think it's too derivative of Sue Storm's 'Invisible Girl' moniker from Fantastic Four so it always felt rather redundant.

 

[Art Freak]

Just a bummer because you see you have a couple of unread pages of a thread you’ve read for the better part of a decade on the day of a possible announcement only to have Jean Grey talk.

 

[Dark Raven]

That might of been the intention but I just think it's too derivative of the 'Invisible Girl' from Fantastic Four and it always felt really redundant.

Now how is it derivative at all of Invisible Girl? Unless you are going by the argument that having "man" or "girl" or "woman" in a name makes things sound too similar.

Because "invisible" is nothing like "Marvel". Does it mean that Iron Man or Ant-Man are derivative of Spider-Man? But if not, then whether Sue is called Invisible Girl has no bearing on Jean being called Marvel girl.

I thought the argument people were making was emphasising the "Marvel" part of the name, not the "girl" or "man" etc, since some have already ruled that out as comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Marvel united]

Going by that logic, you could easily say "Iceman" and "Angel" were just as lazy and obvious as Stan's original name for Jean.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

So Iger said “soon” huh?

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[Dark Raven]

So Iger said “soon” huh?

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When exactly did he say this? Was it at the very end? Because I got so bored that I switched off after about an hour.

 

[Detective Conan]

Now how is it derivative at all of Invisible Girl? Unless you are going by the argument that having "man" or "girl" or "woman" in a name makes things sound too similar.

Because "invisible" is nothing like "Marvel". Does it mean that Iron Man or Ant-Man are derivative of Spider-Man? But if not, then whether Sue is called Invisible Girl has no bearing on Jean being called Marvel girl.

I thought the argument people were making was emphasising the "Marvel" part of the name, not the "girl" or "man" etc, since some have already ruled that out.

That's a good point. Something about the name Marvel Girl doesn't sit right with me. Its never a name that's stuck out like the others.

And I see no reason why Jean would call herself by such a name in the MCU unless she's a total Captain Marvel fangirl and wants to pay homage to her in someway which is something that I'd expect Kamala Khan to do not Jean. Do we really need three people using the word "Marvel' in the MCU? Seems to be too much.

 

[Detective Conan]

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[Marvel united]

That's a good point. Something about the name Marvel Girl doesn't sit right with me. Its never a name that's stuck out like the others.

And I see no reason why Jean would call herself by such a name in the MCU unless she's a total Captain Marvel fangirl and wants to pay homage to her in someway which is something that I'd expect Kamala Khan to do not Jean. Do we really need three people using the word "Marvel' in the MCU? Seems to be too much.

It's not her, I'm positive Charles gave all of the X-Men their codenames in addition to their team name. So it's not like she came up with her own name.

Btw the only reason why she stopped being called Marvel Girl was because the X-Men essentially dropped the whole secret identity thing once X-Factor and the splinter X-Men team led by Storm combined at the end of the Muir Island which led to the 90s run

 

[OB12]

It's just not an iconic name, at least not so much so that requires this kind of debate. The things that are going to set the next iteration of X-men apart is really going to be about story, tone, characters, cinematography, and costuming. The Marvel Girl name is not something that will do much to contribute to that freshness.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

So Iger said “soon” huh?

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[Dark Raven]

That's a good point. Something about the name Marvel Girl doesn't sit right with me. Its never a name that's stuck out like the others.

And I see no reason why Jean would call herself by such a name in the MCU unless she's a total Captain Marvel fangirl and wants to pay homage to her in someway which is something that I'd expect Kamala Khan to do not Jean. Do we really need three people using the word "Marvel' in the MCU? Seems to be too much.

Professor X gave it to her. Now in the movies, whether it's him or whether it's the students who choose it like in First Class, I don't know which direction they'll go.

I don't think she has to be a Captain Marvel fangirl though. Lots of people come up with similar names independently. It happens all the time when trying to choose businesses or website domains. You do a search, and then find out someone else has had a similar train of thought.

There really aren't a lot of names for her though without making her sound like a completely different character (if you give her a totally new name), or retreading familiar Fox territory with Jean Grey or Phoenix.

Marvel Girl at least takes into account the marvellous nature of her telekinetic abilities (which I hope it's just that at the start before telepathy). You can't really call her Miracle Girl. And Wonder Girl and Psylocke have already been used. You can't call her Carrie, because then that would just sound like her name. Telekinetic Woman or even Telekinetic Girl is too much of a mouthful and would be like calling Scott Summers "Optic Blast Man".

 

[Detective Conan]

It's just not an iconic name, at least not so much so that requires this kind of debate. The things that are going to set the next iteration of X-men apart is really going to be about story, tone, characters, cinematography, and costuming. The Marvel Girl name is not something that will do much to contribute to that freshness.

This.

 

[Dark Raven]

Feige's reaction to Iger's vagueness:

 

[Marvel united]

It's just not an iconic name, at least not so much so that requires this kind of debate. The things that are going to set the next iteration of X-men apart is really going to be about story, tone, characters, cinematography, and costuming. The Marvel Girl name is not something that will do much to contribute to that freshness.

It absolutely will. It's not just a name, it's branding. It's how Marvel will promote the character. The title/brand they promote Jean will matter

 

[Detective Conan]

Not really. Especially if there are already two people using the word "Marvel' for their monikers in the MCU.

'Marvel Girl' is not exactly a memorable name that stands out particularly.

 

[SumT]

whats up with the tentative official date?
first it was around March 8, and now is March 14. Next week it will be March 28, wtf?
close this d*** deal, world! lol. Its been a long ride

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

whats up with the tentative official date?
first it was around March 8, and now is March 14. Next week it will be March 28, wtf?
close this d*** deal, world! lol. Its been a long ride

I think any dates that have been mentioned have been speculation either from us or reporters.

Monday is the big day. If the vote goes our way, that allows them to schedule a closing - I would assume around the end of March.

 

[SumT]

end of March?? end of March??????
that sounds too far! lol.
seriously, this last wait is killing me slowly