The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 5

[Darth_Spock]

The thing is too, even if they do get everything right. Where to they go with the story and how long does it last? The old business model for this was at best 3 and done. Marvel, Star Wars, DC, and to a lesser extent Harry Potter is in the process of changing that model. I don't see Fox having enough ancillary characters or tie-in points to keep interest in the franchise long term anyway, especially if they can't cross with X-Men.

That means even at best we get 3 films. Then a possible re-start.

Fox's best bet would be to go all in on the X-verse. Put the staff in place to really manage that franchise. Then start trading for things to enhance that. Hopefully they've already started.

Edit: Just remembered this article from the other day. It talks about the state of box office, franchises etc.

http://variety.com/2016/film/features/box-office-decline-summer-blockbusters-the-bfg-1201822322/

They mention some of the things I said above but went further down the rabbit hole of which franchises have been successful. They note that those that continue to evolve have seen the greatest rewards while those that re-hash the same ground over and over again get sidelined. Anyway I'm just thinking that is further support of the fact that Fox should take stock of what they have and focus on doing great work on the X-verse instead of trying to add in something that might not be a good fit.

Just read that actical.

What's fascinating is the fact that the author of the article did their best to up the panic factor while not really putting much emphasis on the fact that the main films doing the flopping are the same ones that ranged from mediocre to terrible. Add the fact that there's a new one shoe horned into a threater every weekend and it shouldn'be any surprise why they're missing their mark box office wise.

If the MCU continues to up the ante there's no cause for alarm where it matters. While studios like Sony will sit and scratch their heads wondering why instulting 30 years worth of Ghostbuster fans didn't go too well.

 

[Dark Raven]

Forget about the terrible script, nonsensical story and all the other factors that make this one of the worst comic-based films ever, doesn't that photo tell you everything you need to know?

That photo shows that they weren't even trying and/or didn't have a clue.

Just from that one image, anybody who knows anything about the Fantastic Four can tell that's not a well-done Fantastic Four movie.

But all the FFINO defenders would tell you that the costumes looked good and were innovative and more interesting than what we got with the Story films or any of the MCU costumes. They'd probably even say that they always thought it was silly how Thing wore pants before.

 

[Zarex]

I'm not at all surprised that we didn't hear news of the FF rights status last weekend. I would be surprised if the FF were not available for Phase 4. If the Phase 4 presentation is made as far in advance as the Phase 3 event, expect to hear about Marvel's the FF - yeeeshh - in October, 2018. Keep Hope Alive! And be sure to watch your diets, drink alcohol in moderation, get plenty of sleep and maintain a schedule of rigorous exercise. Keep Yourself Alive!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

But all the FFINO defenders would tell you that the costumes looked good and were innovative and more interesting than what we got with the Story films or any of the MCU costumes. They'd probably even say that they always thought it was silly how Thing wore pants before.

I've seen all those in some form. I also remember being told that these weren't the final costumes and we'd get the 'real' costumes at the end.

I still can't get over the "These are containment suits. They have to look like this because they're functional."

. . . and then there was nothing in the film that actually discussed the suits or their importance or their functions.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I'm not at all surprised that we didn't hear news of the FF rights status last weekend. I would be surprised if the FF were not available for Phase 4. If the Phase 4 presentation is made as far in advance as the Phase 3 event, expect to hear about Marvel's the FF - yeeeshh - in October, 2018. Keep Hope Alive! And be sure to watch your diets, drink alcohol in moderation, get plenty of sleep and maintain a schedule of rigorous exercise. Keep Yourself Alive!

yes keep alive everyone. One day we will see our favorite family of superheroes realized on film in the right way!

 

[InCali]

We don't know what we don't know, so they could have the rights and are waiting for the right time to make an announcement. That's about as likely as aliens living among us, unfortunately.

If you go to the Trump thread, you'll find out there are WAY too many aliens living amongst us.

I wish they'd get on with it and get the FF rights back. I think that if they did negotiate them back that there would be a leak somewhere so, sadly, you're probably correct. Maybe Marvel isn't that hot to get them. Maybe they think they'll do just fine without them (and that's probably true), but imagine how much better the MCU would be with the FF and all the cool villains.......

 

[InCali]

TBT to when people thought Fox could actually make a decent FF movie out of this:

Johnny looks like he stole my home theater sound system and you know what everyone is wondering about Ben.....and don't tell me you aren't.....

 

[jaymes_e06]

Johnny looks like he stole my home theater sound system and you know what everyone is wondering about Ben.....and don't tell me you aren't.....

First off...that's racist and second... plaque psoriasis?

 

[InCali]

First off...that's racist and second... plaque psoriasis?

It would have made things so much simpler if they'd just made Johnny a white guy.....oh wait.....I can't say that either....$#!t.

Yeah psoriasis.....that's what I meant.....

 

[Kanon]

In that pic they all except Ben look like they have motion cap suits and will be replaced in post

 

[jaymes_e06]

It would have made things so much simpler if they'd just made Johnny a white guy.....oh wait.....I can't say that either....$#!t.

Yeah psoriasis.....that's what I meant.....

t: Who would ever cast a white guy as a white character? How 2000s of you...

Psoriasis? Are you sure you don't mean another p word?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Nailed it!

 

[InCali]

Nailed it!

 

[jaymes_e06]

Best thread on The Hype by far.

 

[WeaponXCII]

I've seen all those in some form. I also remember being told that these weren't the final costumes and we'd get the 'real' costumes at the end.

I still can't get over the "These are containment suits. They have to look like this because they're functional."

. . . and then there was nothing in the film that actually discussed the suits or their importance or their functions.

Well, yeah, of course they need to be functional. Otherwise they're not realistic, and dark, and gritty, and mature. Whaddya nerds think this is a comic b- oh.

That was just a little friendly sarcasm, by the way. Please don't report me!

 

[Dark Raven]

Nailed it!

ONINO: Origami Nazgul in name only.

MCINO: Minion Cake in name only.

BTINO: Baby Tattoo in name only.

FFINO... you know the rest.

 

[Dark Raven]

Johnny looks like he stole my home theater sound system and you know what everyone is wondering about Ben.....and don't tell me you aren't.....

Did you hear that Johnny joined Congress as the Speaker of the House?

 

[Marathon]

I think FF is a virtual certainty to return. Only a question of when. Quite simply the franchise no longer has any viability within FOX's cinematic landscape.

But actually, I have a hunch all of FOX's Marvel stuff will return to MCU...

When Sony ran out of ideas (or rather had too many bad ideas?) and tried to "wing it", they eventually made a deal with Marvel... I suspect something similar will happen with FOX. XM:A feels somewhat like FOX's own TASM2 moment: against great expectations there are now poor reviews, lukewarm box office, and massive uncertainty about the future; the FOX-Men ship seems to have no wheel, and the captain is missing, etc.

The outlier, Deadpool? Not a problem. As a 4th wall breaking character, can fit into any and every cinematic universe, the MCU included.

Of course, all of this outrageously optimistic, but for once there might be a sliver of substance in that optimism.

 

[WeaponXCII]

I think FF is a virtual certainty to return. Only a question of when. Quite simply the franchise no longer has any viability within FOX's cinematic landscape.

But actually, I have a hunch all of FOX's Marvel stuff will return to MCU...

When Sony ran out of ideas (or rather had too many bad ideas?) and tried to "wing it", they eventually made a deal with Marvel... I suspect something similar will happen with FOX. XM:A feels somewhat like FOX's own TASM2 moment: against great expectations there are now poor reviews, lukewarm box office, and massive uncertainty about the future; the FOX-Men ship seems to have no wheel, and the captain is missing, etc.

The outlier, Deadpool? Not a problem. As a 4th wall breaking character, can fit into any and every cinematic universe, the MCU included.

Of course, all of this outrageously optimistic, but for once there might be a sliver of substance in that optimism.

Oh, I think there's much more than a sliver of substance in your optimism! I hear people (Singer fans) basically asserting that because X-Men have had the most success out of all the IPs, they'll never go back to Marvel. Well... no, that just means it'll take the longest (as we seem to be experiencing) before the rights actually do revert.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think FF is a virtual certainty to return. Only a question of when. Quite simply the franchise no longer has any viability within FOX's cinematic landscape.

But actually, I have a hunch all of FOX's Marvel stuff will return to MCU...

When Sony ran out of ideas (or rather had too many bad ideas?) and tried to "wing it", they eventually made a deal with Marvel... I suspect something similar will happen with FOX. XM:A feels somewhat like FOX's own TASM2 moment: against great expectations there are now poor reviews, lukewarm box office, and massive uncertainty about the future; the FOX-Men ship seems to have no wheel, and the captain is missing, etc.

The outlier, Deadpool? Not a problem. As a 4th wall breaking character, can fit into any and every cinematic universe, the MCU included.

Of course, all of this outrageously optimistic, but for once there might be a sliver of substance in that optimism.

I don't know if the X-Men will 'return', but I expect a much different relationship between Fox and Marvel with real cooperation and crossovers in the future. There has been a lot of talk of X-Men/Avengers and other character crossovers coming from people at both Fox and Marvel and nobody saying: "No, that's never going to happen."

I think a lot happened in the Fall of 2015 and the details will probably just trickle out as they are appropriate, but we already know that Fox and Marvel are working together on the TV shows, and if they're doing that, there's no reason to believe they aren't working together on other things as well.

There may never be a "Fantastic Four has returned to Marvel" announcement because it may never be that black and white. It may be various shades of gray.

We may learn things bit by bit. Maybe we'll hear that Victor Von Doom will be appearing in Infinity Wars and then we'll hear that Deadpool and Spidey will be teaming up in a film. There may never be a big announcement and we may never know the exact details. We'll just see Fox and Marvel working together to intertwine their characters and universes.

And eventually it will just be accepted that Sony and Marvel and Fox can all work together with money going back and forth and decisions being made in ways that we'll never fully understand. We'll just know it works.

 

[Val_Zod]

Oh, I think there's much more than a sliver of substance in your optimism! I hear people (Singer fans) basically asserting that because X-Men have had the most success out of all the IPs, they'll never go back to Marvel. Well... no, that just means it'll take the longest (as we seem to be experiencing) before the rights actually do revert.

Every Marvel property will return to Marvel sooner or later. Think about it, there is so much talk of Superhero fatigue, so which of the three major studios will suffer the most from that fatigue? Its simple, Fox because there is less in the way of wiggle room to not release these films. They have to periodically produce and release them. However if they are underperforming and not making adequate returns of investment its only going to get harder to justify continuing.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I don't know if the X-Men will 'return', but I expect a much different relationship between Fox and Marvel with real cooperation and crossovers in the future. There has been a lot of talk of X-Men/Avengers and other character crossovers coming from people at both Fox and Marvel and nobody saying: "No, that's never going to happen."

I think a lot happened in the Fall of 2015 and the details will probably just trickle out as they are appropriate, but we already know that Fox and Marvel are working together on the TV shows, and if they're doing that, there's no reason to believe they aren't working together on other things as well.

There may never be a "Fantastic Four has returned to Marvel" announcement because it may never be that black and white. It may be various shades of gray.

We may learn things bit by bit. Maybe we'll hear that Victor Von Doom will be appearing in Infinity Wars and then we'll hear that Deadpool and Spidey will be teaming up in a film. There may never be a big announcement and we may never know the exact details. We'll just see Fox and Marvel working together to intertwine their characters and universes.

And eventually it will just be accepted that Sony and Marvel and Fox can all work together with money going back and forth and decisions being made in ways that we'll never fully understand. We'll just know it works.

Lord can I visit this paradise you speak of?

 

[Mike5575]

Remember the rumors about Trank being borderline abusive to Kate Mara to make her feel "invisible" and unwanted?

I suspect the brain trust of Trank and Kinberg may have planned the whole "Sue stays at home while the boys explore" as an extension of that concept.

They probably think they're friggin' geniuses for included such "deep and meaningful subtexts".

Seriously, the way Kinberg talks I think he actually does create things like that and thinks they're actually good ideas. Like the whole wimpy Ben with the "clobberin' time" abusive brother.

I would have thought things like that just happened by accident because nobody was thinking very hard, but Kinberg actually bragged about how they had 'improved' the character with that.

Ben didn't even have blue eyes in that movie. Proof that Fox hates comic books. On top of that, Brian Singer doesn't let any comic books on the set for his X-Men movies.

 

[rockman1216]

I think Deadpool 1 will be added into MCU Canon, along with Legion( they will initially keep it separate it, but then add it into MCU canon, if they keep it lowkey enough for their not to be intervention from SHIELD, Avengers, Hydra, or whoever else is looking for powered people

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think Deadpool 1 will be added into MCU Canon, along with Legion( they will initially keep it separate it, but then add it into MCU canon, if they keep it lowkey enough for their not to be intervention from SHIELD, Avengers, Hydra, or whoever else is looking for powered people

Has there been any strong statements about Legion? I thought I heard at one time that it wouldn't be part of the X-Men universe, but is it the first step in building a new X-Men world (either on its own or in the MCU) in which future films could be set or will it be its own thing?

I've also heard that Deadpool (I haven't seen it) was very ambiguous regarding the world in which it was set.