The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 6

[wobbly]

I knew about Sony selling the merchandising and animation rights, but I didn't know that part of the agreement was getting full creative control? Was that revealed in the leaked emails?

No, Iger himself revealed it. This quote came from him directly:

"Then in July, Sony Pictures will release The Amazing Spiderman. We're excited about the film and expect it will drive significant benefits for Spiderman consumer products.

To that end, we recently completed a transaction with Sony Pictures to simplify our relationship. And then in the deal, we purchased Sony Pictures' participation in Spiderman merchandising, while at the same time, Sony Pictures purchased from us our participation in Spiderman films. This transaction will allow us to control and fully benefit from all Spiderman merchandising activity, while Sony will continue to produce and distribute Spiderman films.

We won't be specific about the economics of this 2-way transaction, but we expect it will drive attractive returns for Disney."

 

[ehh]

It would have been great if Sony sold off the film rights to Marvel, but kept the animation rights. Then TSSM would have continued and Spider-Man would be fully Marvel. Oh well, glad we have Spidey in the MCU at all now.

 

[Web-Head]

This is what James Gunn had to say about this

 

[ehh]

^ That's why I don't think this Ego/NTW "swap" is that big of a deal. James Gunn said it himself.

 

[Darkraid]

Hmmm. Was it Misty? That would definitely warrant a re-watch.

Man, that scene was HARD to watch.

 

[ehh]

Ugh, I wonder when the film rights to Batman will just revert back to Marvel.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Ugh, I wonder when the film rights to Batman will just revert back to Marvel.

the moment Disney buys AT&T

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think the key to the Ego swap is that it shows the studios are willing to talk and deal and Fox doesn't just have a stone wall up.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Ego deal is the first instance we've heard of any real trade between the studios. And if that can happen, other trades can as well.

If I were Fox, I would want to focus on X-Men and I would want to get as much for the X-Men as possible (characters, merchandising... TV rights) and Fantastic Four would be the bargaining chip I'd use to get those things.

 

[wobbly]

This is what James Gunn had to say about this

^ That's why I don't think this Ego/NTW "swap" is that big of a deal. James Gunn said it himself.

'Deals', plural. He also said they happen all the time iirc. So the question that begs is: What other deals have been done? Gunn wouldn't be privy to them as he's also picked characters twice now he wasn't aware Marvel didn't own (The Badoon for GOTG1 and Ego for GOTG2). The details of who has what it seems are passed down on a 'need to know' basis.

In this case it was a happy co-incidence that Fox needed a deal as Gunn admits he didn't have a backup plan for Ego.

I'd agree this doesn't mean the FF are back with Marvel though, however, if they were Gunn wouldn't know unless he intended to use them. Now the Thing is a rather recent post Secret Wars addition to the GOTG roster, and having him just turn up without his prior history with the FF wouldn't make much sense, so I don't see why Gunn would even be thinking of that anyway.

 

[wobbly]

I think the key to the Ego swap is that it shows the studios are willing to talk and deal and Fox doesn't just have a stone wall up.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Ego deal is the first instance we've heard of any real trade between the studios. And if that can happen, other trades can as well.

If I were Fox, I would want to focus on X-Men and I would want to get as much for the X-Men as possible (characters, merchandising... TV rights) and Fantastic Four would be the bargaining chip I'd use to get those things.

It's the first trade I know of that went through and has been revealed. Gunn's comments on it all suggests it has happened before though. I have no idea what any other trades might have been at all, if there have been any.

I suspect Wernick wasn't supposed to let this particular cat out of the bag, and might well have been given a stern talking to for letting it slip. Gunn has been playing down it's significance, which is more in line with how the studios usually handle these affairs: Close to their respective chests with us not knowing about any changes until it's obvious.

 

[ehh]

I don't think any of this guarantees that FF is going back to Marvel. It's certainly not a bad thing, but until it happens, I'm not getting my hopes up.

 

[wobbly]

I don't think any of this guarantees that FF is going back to Marvel. It's certainly not a bad thing, but until it happens, I'm not getting my hopes up.

Having been down the road of getting high hopes only to have them dashed I'm inclined to agree. While I do think a deal is there to be done for the FF (seems like a no brainer to me on many levels, but then studios can be bloody stupid at times) I will not beleive it until it is confirmed.

At least the hope remains alive.

 

[DawnWarrior]

Is there a separate thread about X-Men reverting back, or do we talk about that here too?

 

[Snaaaaake!]

Is there a separate thread about X-Men reverting back, or do we talk about that here too?

Hmm...From what I've read and observed in the X-men forum it would just cause more friction than hope.

There's clearly been some crappy X-men films just not enough to warrant a "Keep Hope Alive" thread there I guess. Though I wouldn't love anything more than seeing both franchises back at Marvel Studio at this point.

 

[DawnWarrior]

It's just that there's been rumblings on my news feed about the X-Men movies being fully rebooted, and I'd rather they'd just mail them all back to the MCU rather than waiting another 15 years.

 

[Spiderine]

It's just that there's been rumblings on my news feed about the X-Men movies being fully rebooted, and I'd rather they'd just mail them all back to the MCU rather than waiting another 15 years.

I think many here believe the chances of the Xmen reverting back is slim to none anytime soon. Generally its the FF that has an overwhelming sentiment since Fox has neutered it and its the biggest missing piece of the MCU puzzle. So much to offer.

 

[Snaaaaake!]

It's just that there's been rumblings on my news feed about the X-Men movies being fully rebooted, and I'd rather they'd just mail them all back to the MCU rather than waiting another 15 years.

You and me both!

If I recall the X-men films have to be in production every 5 years in order to meet their deadline instead of 7 yrs like FF.

Heck it's because of films like Fan4stic and the mediocre reception of X-men: Apocalypse that has regular moviegoers getting wiser to who owns what and who's track record for CBM's is better.

And if it is Kinberg that's doing the script for the X-men reboot, I don't see Marvel having to wait 15 years to get them back. Especially if the next Deadpool flops.

 

[Flint Marko]

The X-men aren't going back any time soon, but I'd like for the rights to go back just to save us from more mediocrity like X-men: Apocalypse. I hope we never have to sit through another FoX-men again, particularly since we now know that Kinberg is basically leading the ship.

 

[Web-Head]

I'm still okay with X-Men at Fox, I liked Apocalypse more than others, but the Fantastic 4 just need to be in the MCU.

It is interesting that Fox doesn't really know what to do with them now. 90's? Phoenix saga...again? This soon?

 

[wobbly]

With the TV Show expansion it's clear even Marvel are not hoping they could get the X-Men back in anything like the near future, so a "keep hope alive" seems redundant for them, unless there's some Sony level screw ups with that franchise under Fox (Hello Simon...) .

The FF however looks dead as a dodo under Fox imo. Can't see how they can recover it. No-one wants a sequel to the turd that was FFINO (except for simple Simon...), and a reboot (again) seems like a hard sell to throw at shareholders when the next deadline nears. If they can get a decent deal from Marvel for the FF they should grab it and be happy they no longer have to try and invent new ways to f##k up the next movie.

 

[wobbly]

I'm still okay with X-Men at Fox, I liked Apocalypse more than others, but the Fantastic 4 just need to be in the MCU.

It is interesting that Fox doesn't really know what to do with them now. 90's? Phoenix saga...again? This soon?

I'm curious as to where they go after Jackman's last stand, since I think they have said it's set in the new post DOFP timeline? Unless there's a bit of time travel to undo 'Logan's future anything after that set in the past seems all rather pointless, as we know the Mutants are gonna be buggered eventually no matter what.

That 'happy days' ending in DOFP makes setting anything in the past a bit pointless really. Phoenix in the 90's? Ah, she'll be ok this time around, we've already seen that. Cyclops, Storm, Beast, Ice-man, Rogue etc...all ok in the future, no matter what perils they face in past.

 

[Spiderine]

I'm curious as to where they go after Jackman's last stand, since I think they have said it's set in the new post DOFP timeline? Unless there's a bit of time travel to undo 'Logan's future anything after that set in the past seems all rather pointless, as we know the Mutants are gonna be buggered eventually no matter what.

That 'happy days' ending in DOFP makes setting anything in the past a bit pointless really. Phoenix in the 90's? Ah, she'll be ok this time around, we've already seen that. Cyclops, Storm, Beast, Ice-man, Rogue etc...all ok in the future, no matter what perils they face in past.

I always find that part hillarious. The happy ending in DOFP pretty much assured us that any threats in the past including the potentially world ending Apocalypse was not going to be a major issue. They pretty much took all the suspense out of any movie set in the past.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I always find that part hillarious. The happy ending in DOFP pretty much assured us that any threats in the past including the potentially world ending Apocalypse was not going to be a major issue. They pretty much took all the suspense out of any movie set in the past.

Exactly. After watching DOFP I felt like the filmmakers were saying: "This is all completely meaningless BS. Nothing that happened in the past mattered and nothing that will happen in the future will matter."

I had little interest in seeing any X-men films in that continuity after that - which was convenient because after Fant4stic I've sworn off Fox anyway.

 

[TheVileOne]

Everyone's making a mountain out of a mole hill for the Ego news. Also, the character they got was Ego the living planet. Not exactly a major franchise brand there. Ego has always been a bit of a gimmick character.

 

[ehh]

I'm curious as to where they go after Jackman's last stand, since I think they have said it's set in the new post DOFP timeline? Unless there's a bit of time travel to undo 'Logan's future anything after that set in the past seems all rather pointless, as we know the Mutants are gonna be buggered eventually no matter what.

That 'happy days' ending in DOFP makes setting anything in the past a bit pointless really. Phoenix in the 90's? Ah, she'll be ok this time around, we've already seen that. Cyclops, Storm, Beast, Ice-man, Rogue etc...all ok in the future, no matter what perils they face in past.

Man, I agree with you 100%. Everything is basically just leading up to the ending of DOFP, so I don't see the point in making more X-Men films that take place prior. At the very least, Logan will take place afterwards so anything goes.

I really believed that DOFP should have been the FINAL film in that franchise, followed by a reboot.