The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 6

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Based on what? Sure, if everybody at Marvel is fired and replaced by mentally challenged chimpanzees, they could completely change what they're doing and make a worse film than Fant4stic, but Marvel hasn't come close to being that bad with any films they have made so far.

Worrying about Marvel doing worse is like being in a room with a tiger and a house-cat and worrying that the house-cat might hurt you.:loco:

Those house cats can scratch you if you pick them up like a baby and they try to wriggle free. I should know. I do that all the time!
 
Honest question how would you guys react if MARVEL made last years crap look good ? All of us being pissed about last years crap is how Spider-Man fans feel about Homecoming
 
I think he's referring to MJ being black or mixed now. I honestly see no problem with that because she almost looks just like MJ, plus she's a natural redhead. The "problems" with Spiderman are NOTHING compared to the problems of F4 under Fox. You had a Galactus made of mist and a Richard-less Thing with the voice of a child. Not to mention bad scripts left and right............
 
Honest question how would you guys react if MARVEL made last years crap look good ? You guys being pissed about last years crap is how Spider-Man fans feel about Homecoming

Wouldn't make crap look good be an improvement? :huh: If they did, I'd think it was a good thing.
 
I think he's referring to MJ being black or mixed now

People love playing the race card when its not even about race anymore with MARVEL changing everything else about the damn character but hey play the race card have fun with it
 
Wouldn't make crap look good be an improvement? :huh: If they did, I'd think it was a good thing.

So it would be good if MARVEL change everything about the Fantastic Four that last years movie is good in comparison ? Gotcha
 
As much as I find your inane, childish ramblings about SJWs and PC attitudes entertaining, howza bout you head over to the Spidey boards and let them know how angry you are about Peter's non-white chums? Holland was fantastic in Civil War, and we don't have much info on the production outside of internet rumors and a diverse supporting cast that accurately represents the demographics of modern day Queens.
 
I guess you are not actually a Spider-Man fan if you dont care about how the people around him are being screwed up. I don't know if I want FOX to keep making movies or let MARVEL make Fox look good not sure what would be better but MARVEL ****ing up Fantastic Four would wake you guys up after the in denial phase or you guys stay in denial forever

Not really seeing any future where Marvel studios will ever make Fox look good.

You're worried about some ethnicity changes for some characters -- but if they're faithful to the 'character' -- then I don't see how the color of their skin makes a damn bit of difference.
 
But if they're faithful to the 'character' -- then I don't see how the color of their skin makes a damn bit of difference.

& based on spoilers & reports guess what they are not staying true to either character at all but hey its all about race. Are you guys being hypocrites ? Or did you have no problem with Sue being Johnny's adopted sister in last years movie ?
 
I guess you are not actually a Spider-Man fan if you dont care about how the people around him are being screwed up.

Hmmm, imagine that. You're posting on a Fantastic Four thread, and you found someone who isn't a particular Spider-Man fan. What are the odds?:cwink:

But I'm all for accuracy. The thing is, you haven't listed one thing that is less accurate than Johnny Storm being a brilliant African American science prodigy who is older than Reed Richards and not actually Sue Storm's brother (and I could give you 1000 other examples of other inaccuracies in FF).

If you at least had some real facts to offer, we could discuss it. Show me a photo of Mary Jane in costume and we'll compare that to a photo of Johnny Storm in costume. If Mary Jane looks less accurate than Johnny Storm we at least have somewhere to start the conversation.

As a Spider-Man fan, I suspect you're looking at minor, rumored divergences from the comics and getting your panties in a wad. As an FF fan, I've been dealing with real, major inaccuracies for the past 11 years, so it's frankly a little hard for me to be concerned about your wadded panties.:cwink:
 
Are you guys being hypocrites by saying its just about race when not even MARVEL is staying true to these characters ? Did you guys defend Sue being Johnnys adoptive sister ?
 
Are you guys being hypocrites by saying its just about race when not even MARVEL is staying true to these characters ? Did you guys defend Sue being Johnnys adoptive sister ?

You appear to be struggling here. Let me help you out:

1) This is a FANTASTIC FOUR messge board. We discuss topics regarding the Fantastic Four films and the hope that Marvel will obtain the rights and make the first good FF film ever.

2) This is not the board to discuss Spider-Man: Homecoming. If you have an issue with the casting and plot of that production, by all means leave this board and head over there. Like, right now.

3) Fans are less concerned about "flexible casting" in regards to supporting characters than they do about the main heroes. I don't give a damn if Ned Leeds (Who?) is played by a person of color or if the actress portraying Mary Jane has a white mother and a black father. But if you do, feel free to voice your mature and well reasoned concerns over on the Spidey boards.
 
With FOX ****ing up Fantastic Four so many times you should understand how Spider-Man fans feel about Homecoming. We to were excited about MARVEL finally doing their take on him & co. But MARVEL is not staying true to the characters of everyone around Spider-Man & changed everything for most. You guys should understand this easily. Maybe its denial that the almighty MARVEL could even screw up so bad ? But if it takes MARVEL themselves ****ing up Fantastic Four so bad so be it. We to thought MARVEL would not do a worse job than Sony but here we are they did. Im just as big of a Fantastic Four fan as I am Spidey I am just worried that MARVEL as well can **** up Fantastic Four but hey be in denial guys
 
With FOX ****ing up Fantastic Four so many times you should understand how Spider-Man fans feel about Homecoming.

Actually, no. When I see people complaining about Superman not having red underpants over his blue pants, or I see someone complaining that the design of the spider on Spider-Man's costume isn't exactly right, or I see someone complaining that the person cast as Mary Jane doesn't match their exact image of who it really should have been, I roll my eyes.:whatever:

People who have the luxury to whine about such minor details don't know what it's like to have major details screwed up not once but multiple times.

The things you're whining about are nothing. Absolutely nothing. I would kill to have an FF film half as accurate as Homecoming looks to be.
 
No I haven't, but you've posted some things here and none of them have come close to the level of being as inaccurate as Fant4stic.

From what I know, Spider-man is the alter ego of Peter Parker - a high school student who was bitten by a radioactive spider - and he looks like this:

http://cdn.****************.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Spider-Man-01-670x337.jpg

Those bits of information alone lead me to believe it will be far, far, FAR more accurate than Fant4stic.

If you would like to convince me otherwise, give me a list of 10 things about homecoming that won't be accurate and then I'll give you a list of 10 things about Fant4stic and we'll see which seem worse.
Not sure if i'm allowed to post in this thread (got barred from the FF forums two years ago but seeing as it doesn't exist anymore and I never posted in this thread, I think i'm safe. Mods let me know)

Since Pannikan doesn't seem to be engaging your posts, I think i'll chime in.


1. Peter Parker is himself is extremely gullible and naive, moreso than he ever was in the comics even as a teenager




2. Peter is basically Stark's errand boy, doing anything he says and not being able to function without him




3. Aunt May is sexy, and young (moreso than both Ult versions of the character)




4. Flash Thompson's character is nothing like his comic counterpart besides being a bully. His race doesn't even matter to me, they completely changed his character.




5. Ned Leeds is nothing like comic/cartoon Ned Leeds but is instead a version of Ganke Lee, (Miles Morales best friend) just with the 'Ned Leeds' name slapped on top of his head.




6. From what we've heard from SDCC footage description, Betty Brant or should I say 'Brandt' (since they changed her last name for some reason) like Ned Leeds, is nothing like comic Betty Brant and seems to be based on Sally Avril from the Spectacular Spider-Man what with her being blonde and a popular girl at School. (Peter's school even though, they never went to school together in the comics)


7. Sally Avril of this movie is NOTHING like comic & cartoon Sally Avril. She's a science nerd & chubby like Ned Leeds and frumpy like this movie's version of MJ


8. MJ's character is a reversed version of her comic book counterpart, she puts on a facade and goes through a 'She's All That' type transformation. Unnecessary change to fit the character into the Hughes thing they're going for, but i'm willing to give it a chance because Zendaya is a good choice for the role.


9. The Vulture's design has been completely changed to the point where only his silhouette is recognizable


10. The Tinkerer has essentially been turned into an Iron Man villain, what with him working for Stark Industries and being fired by Stark, his arc will revolve around him trying to prove Tony wrong for firing him.


How this relates to the Fant4stic travesty, as far i'm concerned? it's wayyy more accurate than that movie but there's still dozens of changes and deviations. Moreso than Spidey film before this one. But i'm glad it's not unrecognizable to the point where it shouldn't even be called a Spider-Man film like Fant4stic.
 
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Are you guys being hypocrites by saying its just about race when not even MARVEL is staying true to these characters ? Did you guys defend Sue being Johnnys adoptive sister ?

I had less of a problem with Johnny and Franklin Storm being black than I did with Sue being white and adopted.

I really felt that they introduced complications into the relationship to support casting the director's friend as Johnny. In the comics, Sue acted as Johnny's surrogate mother.

The whole adopted thing was hamfisted in order to keep Sue white and let Johnny be black. And in the movie, you really didn't get the sense that Sue was anything more than the dutiful daughter and Johnny was the rebellious son. They didn't establish the brother/sister bond as well as it should have been.

There are plenty of young, talented women of color that could have fit the role of Sue Storm so that we could have had some semblance of the blood relationship it always has been.
 
I will say in all fairness to Pannikan that there are quite a number of changes to Spider-Man: Homecoming that are of concern. One of the most concerning isn't so much to do with MJ's race, but that she's a frumpy, socially awkward and bookish character who doesn't have red hair who seems to have to go through a makeover at the end (similar to She's All That or Sandy in Grease) to become the MJ we all know. And MJ might not even stand for Mary Jane but Michelle_J. So she does seem to be "MJ" in name only, or even in initials only.

And Flash Thompson (typically the alpha male big man on campus football star) is a weedy geek who is actually shorter than Tom Holland and only his intellectual rival (so no physical threat at all). Kind of like how Ben Grimm went from being a football star to what we got with Jamie Bell in FFINO , but much worse.

Now as far as Fantastic Four is concerned, well Fox have already scrapped the bottom of the barrel with FFINO. So while it's possible Marvel could take even more liberties with the material, the solution isn't to leave it in Fox's hands to have yet another go. Marvel probably couldn't afford to deviate from the source material as much as they might with Spider-Man, because they've already seen how badly received FFINO was last year. It's also not a hot property like Spider-Man but is already rather toxic. So they would need to do everything possible to win sceptics over and get people on board.

There are two choices here: either leave it in the hands of someone who has already ruined it and has a reputation of ruining it, or give it to someone else who may or may not ruin it but hasn't had the chance to ruin it yet.
 
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Not sure if i'm allowed to post in this thread (got barred from the FF forums two years ago but seeing as it doesn't exist anymore and I never posted in this thread, I think i'm safe. Mods let me know)

Since Pannikan doesn't seem to be engaging your posts, I think i'll chime in.


1. Peter Parker is himself is extremely gullible and naive, moreso than he ever was in the comics even as a teenager




2. Peter is basically Stark's errand boy, doing anything he says and not being able to function without him




3. Aunt May is sexy, and young (moreso than both Ult versions of the character)




4. Flash Thompson's character is nothing like his comic counterpart besides being a bully. His race doesn't even matter to me, they completely changed his character.




5. Ned Leeds is nothing like comic/cartoon Ned Leeds but is instead a version of Ganke Lee, (Miles Morales best friend) just with the 'Ned Leeds' name slapped on top of his head.




6. From what we've heard from SDCC footage description, Betty Brant or should I say 'Brandt' (since they changed her last name for some reason) like Ned Leeds, is nothing like comic Betty Brant and seems to be based on Sally Avril from the Spectacular Spider-Man what with her being blonde and a popular girl at School.


7. Sally Avril of this movie is NOTHING like comic & cartoon Sally Avril. She's a science nerd & chubby like Ned Leeds and frumpy like this movie's version of MJ


8. MJ's character is a reversed version of her comic book counterpart, she puts on a facade and goes through a 'She's All That' type transformation. Unnecessary change to fit the character into the Hughes thing they're going for, but i'm willing to give it a chance because Zendaya is a good choice.)


9. The Vulture's design has been completely changed to the point where only his siloutte is recognizable


10. The Tinkerer has essentially been turned into an Iron Man, what with him working for Stark Industries and being fired by Stark


How this relates to the Fant4stic travesty, as far i'm concerned it's wayyy more accurate than that movie but there's still dozens of changes and deviations. Moreso than Spidey film before this onr.

Okay, that at least give me something to work with. :up:

1. Peter Parker is himself is extremely gullible and naive, moreso than he ever was in the comics even as a teenager Is this worse than how badly Reed Richards was mangled?

2. Peter is basically Stark's errand boy, doing anything he says and not being able to function without him Is this worse than the FF working for the government?

3. Aunt May is sexy, and young (moreso than both Ult versions of the character) Is this worse than Franklin Storm running a school for gifted children as opposed to being a physician accused of a crime he didn't commit?

4. Flash Thompson's character is nothing like his comic counterpart besides being a bully. His race doesn't even matter to me, they completely changed his character. Is this worse than Ben Grimm being scrawny and growing up on Long Island instead of being a football player who turned his life around after getting caught up with the gang his brother died with on the mean streets of Brooklyn?


5. Ned Leeds is nothing like comic/cartoon Ned Leeds but is instead a version of Ganke Lee, (Miles Morales best friend) just with the 'Ned Leeds' name slapped on top of his head. Is this worse than Johnny storm being a brilliant prodigy as opposed to a normal teenager?

6. From what we've heard from SDCC footage description, Betty Brant or should I say 'Brandt' (since they changed her last name for some reason) like Ned Leeds, is nothing like comic Betty Brant and seems to be based on Sally Avril from the Spectacular Spider-Man what with her being blonde and a popular girl at School. Is this worse than Sue Storm being a cold, emotionless ***** as opposed to a loving caring mother-figure?

7. Sally Avril of this movie is NOTHING like comic & cartoon Sally Avril. She's a science nerd & chubby like Ned Leeds and frumpy like this movie's version of MJ Is this as bad as Sue storm not going with Johnny, Reed and Ben on the mission while Victor Von Doom did?

8. MJ's character is a reversed version of her comic book counterpart, she puts on a facade and goes through a 'She's All That' type transformation. Unnecessary change to fit the character into the Hughes thing they're going for, but i'm willing to give it a chance because Zendaya is a good choice.) Is this as bad as Reed Richards completely abandoning his best friend when that friend is literally begging for his help?

9. The Vulture's design has been completely changed to the point where only his siloutte is recognizable Is this as bad as the completely unrecognizable Harvey Elder - Government agent from Fant4stic?

10. The Tinkerer has essentially been turned into an Iron Man, what with him working for Stark Industries and being fired by Stark Doom. Dr. Freakin Doom



Thanks for your input. You were at least able to offer some real information that Pannikan was unable or unwilling to offer. Hopefully those things in the final film won't be as bad as you fear. If they are, shame on Marvel. But even if Homecoming is a terrible film, I still won't hesitate to put my faith in Marvel over Fox.
 
Honest question how would you guys react if MARVEL made last years crap look good ? All of us being pissed about last years crap is how Spider-Man fans feel about Homecoming
a handful of Spider-Man fans. The reactionary ones, those who panic because skin shades are darker than they are used to
the rest of us? we feel pretty good with Homecoming
 
Not sure if i'm allowed to post in this thread (got barred from the FF forums two years ago but seeing as it doesn't exist anymore and I never posted in this thread, I think i'm safe. Mods let me know)

Since Pannikan doesn't seem to be engaging your posts, I think i'll chime in.


1. Peter Parker is himself is extremely gullible and naive, moreso than he ever was in the comics even as a teenager




2. Peter is basically Stark's errand boy, doing anything he says and not being able to function without him




3. Aunt May is sexy, and young (moreso than both Ult versions of the character)




4. Flash Thompson's character is nothing like his comic counterpart besides being a bully. His race doesn't even matter to me, they completely changed his character.




5. Ned Leeds is nothing like comic/cartoon Ned Leeds but is instead a version of Ganke Lee, (Miles Morales best friend) just with the 'Ned Leeds' name slapped on top of his head.




6. From what we've heard from SDCC footage description, Betty Brant or should I say 'Brandt' (since they changed her last name for some reason) like Ned Leeds, is nothing like comic Betty Brant and seems to be based on Sally Avril from the Spectacular Spider-Man what with her being blonde and a popular girl at School. (Peter's school even though, they never went to school together in the comics)


7. Sally Avril of this movie is NOTHING like comic & cartoon Sally Avril. She's a science nerd & chubby like Ned Leeds and frumpy like this movie's version of MJ


8. MJ's character is a reversed version of her comic book counterpart, she puts on a facade and goes through a 'She's All That' type transformation. Unnecessary change to fit the character into the Hughes thing they're going for, but i'm willing to give it a chance because Zendaya is a good choice for the role.


9. The Vulture's design has been completely changed to the point where only his silhouette is recognizable


10. The Tinkerer has essentially been turned into an Iron Man villain, what with him working for Stark Industries and being fired by Stark, his arc will revolve around him trying to prove Tony wrong for firing him.


How this relates to the Fant4stic travesty, as far i'm concerned? it's wayyy more accurate than that movie but there's still dozens of changes and deviations. Moreso than Spidey film before this one. But i'm glad it's not unrecognizable to the point where it shouldn't even be called a Spider-Man film like Fant4stic.

Your second point is completely made up for the fact that you can't stand Tony's presence in this movie,and others are just rumours.
 
Not sure if i'm allowed to post in this thread (got barred from the FF forums two years ago but seeing as it doesn't exist anymore and I never posted in this thread, I think i'm safe. Mods let me know)

Since Pannikan doesn't seem to be engaging your posts, I think i'll chime in.


1. Peter Parker is himself is extremely gullible and naive, moreso than he ever was in the comics even as a teenager




2. Peter is basically Stark's errand boy, doing anything he says and not being able to function without him




3. Aunt May is sexy, and young (moreso than both Ult versions of the character)




4. Flash Thompson's character is nothing like his comic counterpart besides being a bully. His race doesn't even matter to me, they completely changed his character.




5. Ned Leeds is nothing like comic/cartoon Ned Leeds but is instead a version of Ganke Lee, (Miles Morales best friend) just with the 'Ned Leeds' name slapped on top of his head.




6. From what we've heard from SDCC footage description, Betty Brant or should I say 'Brandt' (since they changed her last name for some reason) like Ned Leeds, is nothing like comic Betty Brant and seems to be based on Sally Avril from the Spectacular Spider-Man what with her being blonde and a popular girl at School. (Peter's school even though, they never went to school together in the comics)


7. Sally Avril of this movie is NOTHING like comic & cartoon Sally Avril. She's a science nerd & chubby like Ned Leeds and frumpy like this movie's version of MJ


8. MJ's character is a reversed version of her comic book counterpart, she puts on a facade and goes through a 'She's All That' type transformation. Unnecessary change to fit the character into the Hughes thing they're going for, but i'm willing to give it a chance because Zendaya is a good choice for the role.


9. The Vulture's design has been completely changed to the point where only his silhouette is recognizable


10. The Tinkerer has essentially been turned into an Iron Man villain, what with him working for Stark Industries and being fired by Stark, his arc will revolve around him trying to prove Tony wrong for firing him.


How this relates to the Fant4stic travesty, as far i'm concerned? it's wayyy more accurate than that movie but there's still dozens of changes and deviations. Moreso than Spidey film before this one. But i'm glad it's not unrecognizable to the point where it shouldn't even be called a Spider-Man film like Fant4stic.
you know that a lot of those are rumors and fan speculation without any confirmation? some of those rumors stem from none other than Eh Maybe himself or a 4chan thread. It is way too early to panic about that. and I don't see how Marisa Tomei is a negative point anyway
 
Your second point is completely made up for the fact that you can't stand Tony's presence in this movie.
No it's not. "Mr. Stark what should I do?", "Stark said you'd say that, wow.", "Guys, look, I'd love to keep this up but I only got one job today, and I gotta impress Mr. Stark.", "Stark said to go for your legs!" Comic Peter has enough sense to use his brain and figure out how to take out the attackers without asking another hero how to do it. Plus his entire reason for fighting other heroes was because Tony blackmailed him. Iike I said the Spider-Man general discussion thread, I don't have a problem with him being in it, it's the context of his appearance that's bugging me.
And others are just rumours.
Points one through six, to eight are all things we've had the crew directly tell us or show us -- The other two are strong rumors likely to be true.

you know that a lot of those are rumors and fan speculation without any confirmation? some of those rumors stem from none other than Eh Maybe himself or a 4chan thread. It is way too early to panic about that. and I don't see how Marisa Tomei is a negative point anyway
Yeah, I don't have a problem with Marisa Tomei, she's positive all on her own. Her dating Tony and him replacing Uncle Ben is what i'm slightly concerned about.


a handful of Spider-Man fans. The reactionary ones, those who panic because skin shades are darker than they are used to
the rest of us? we feel pretty good with Homecoming
It's not about their races at all for me, personally. I mean, it makes sense for it to be diverse. It's Queens.

Okay, that at least give me something to work with. :up:

1. Peter Parker is himself is extremely gullible and naive, moreso than he ever was in the comics even as a teenager Is this worse than how badly Reed Richards was mangled?

2. Peter is basically Stark's errand boy, doing anything he says and not being able to function without him Is this worse than the FF working for the government?

3. Aunt May is sexy, and young (moreso than both Ult versions of the character) Is this worse than Franklin Storm running a school for gifted children as opposed to being a physician accused of a crime he didn't commit?

4. Flash Thompson's character is nothing like his comic counterpart besides being a bully. His race doesn't even matter to me, they completely changed his character. Is this worse than Ben Grimm being scrawny and growing up on Long Island instead of being a football player who turned his life around after getting caught up with the gang his brother died with on the mean streets of Brooklyn?


5. Ned Leeds is nothing like comic/cartoon Ned Leeds but is instead a version of Ganke Lee, (Miles Morales best friend) just with the 'Ned Leeds' name slapped on top of his head. Is this worse than Johnny storm being a brilliant prodigy as opposed to a normal teenager?

6. From what we've heard from SDCC footage description, Betty Brant or should I say 'Brandt' (since they changed her last name for some reason) like Ned Leeds, is nothing like comic Betty Brant and seems to be based on Sally Avril from the Spectacular Spider-Man what with her being blonde and a popular girl at School. Is this worse than Sue Storm being a cold, emotionless ***** as opposed to a loving caring mother-figure?

7. Sally Avril of this movie is NOTHING like comic & cartoon Sally Avril. She's a science nerd & chubby like Ned Leeds and frumpy like this movie's version of MJ Is this as bad as Sue storm not going with Johnny, Reed and Ben on the mission while Victor Von Doom did?

8. MJ's character is a reversed version of her comic book counterpart, she puts on a facade and goes through a 'She's All That' type transformation. Unnecessary change to fit the character into the Hughes thing they're going for, but i'm willing to give it a chance because Zendaya is a good choice.) Is this as bad as Reed Richards completely abandoning his best friend when that friend is literally begging for his help?

9. The Vulture's design has been completely changed to the point where only his siloutte is recognizable Is this as bad as the completely unrecognizable Harvey Elder - Government agent from Fant4stic?

10. The Tinkerer has essentially been turned into an Iron Man, what with him working for Stark Industries and being fired by Stark Doom. Dr. Freakin Doom



Thanks for your input. You were at least able to offer some real information that Pannikan was unable or unwilling to offer. Hopefully those things in the final film won't be as bad as you fear. If they are, shame on Marvel. But even if Homecoming is a terrible film, I still won't hesitate to put my faith in Marvel over Fox.
Yikes. Those are all great points. (Although similarly to Ben, Flash has been turned into a scrawny loser too lol)



But yeah, I hope so too. :up: Hopefully you guys get the Fantastic Four film you deserve from Marvel.
 
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I really don't think the concerns for Spider-Man: Homecoming have ANY correlation to what's been done to the Fantastic Four.

Fantastic Four have NEVER been treated to the kind of movie that were Spider-Man and especially Spider-Man 2. Even the second go-round for Spider-Man in Amazing 1 and 2 were far and away superior movies to the latest Fantastic Four.

So now you're going to fret about changes in this, the 6th Spider-Man movie - because the changes are too extreme? How else do you expect Marvel to differentiate their films to the last 5 Sony endeavors?
 
So now you're going to fret about changes in this, the 6th Spider-Man movie - because the changes are too extreme? How else do you expect Marvel to differentiate their films to the last 5 Sony endeavors?

Using this logic I cant wait to see how MARVEL differentiates from FOX's previous takes

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Surely MARVEL could make just as many extreme changes to differentiate from the FOX's ones ? & Peter is in High School again for the 3rd time as well in a movie lets add in that fact. If MARVEL made these changes to differentiate from Sony I expect even more extreme changes with Fantastic Four to differentiate from FOX if you wanna use that logic & that is a scary thought. As if MARVEL makes the next Fantastic Four movie it would be the fifth one so expect extreme changes with them
 
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