The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 6

[Joe Rockhead]

Using this logic I cant wait to see how MARVEL differentiates from FOX's previous takes

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Surely MARVEL could make just as many extreme changes to differentiate from the FOX's ones ? & Peter is in High School again for the 3rd time as well in a movie lets add in that fact. If MARVEL made these changes to differentiate from Sony I expect even more extreme changes with Fantastic Four to differentiate from FOX if you wanna use that logic & that is a scary thought. As if MARVEL makes the next Fantastic Four movie it would be the fifth one so expect extreme changes with them

Marvel going to a Lee-Kirby inspired Fantastic Four, Dr. Doom, Galactus and Silver Surfer IS differentiating from Fox - especially with Doom and Galactus.

Fox has NEVER gotten them right.

 

[Pannikan]

Marvel going to a Lee-Kirby inspired Fantastic Four, Dr. Doom, Galactus and Silver Surfer IS differentiating from Fox - especially with Doom and Galactus.

Fox has NEVER gotten them right.

Technically MARVEL has never gotten Spider-Man right in Live Action either t: When everything around him is so unrecognizable it does not help their case. So technically they can never get Fantastic Four right either. There is no guarantee on what direction they would take Fantastic Four. Fantastic Four has been done four times they might want their own take

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Marvel going to a Lee-Kirby inspired Fantastic Four, Dr. Doom, Galactus and Silver Surfer IS differentiating from Fox - especially with Doom and Galactus.

Fox has NEVER gotten them right.

Exactly. It wouldn't be difficult at all to make a great FF film that is completely different than anything we've ever seen by simply using the comic books as the basis for the film.

We can't complain about Alicia Masters or Wyatt Wingfoot or Agatha Harkness not being what we wanted in Fant4stic because they didn't even give us any of those characters.

They didn't modify the comics in Fant4stic. They threw them out the window and completely ignored them.

We would have to have something like: "Peter Parker is a 35 year old construction worker, married with two kids, but by night, he puts on a purple suit and fights crime as Spider-Guy."

to even start to approach the level of yech that Fox gave us.

 

[Pannikan]

Exactly. It wouldn't be difficult at all to make a great FF film that is completely different than anything we've ever seen by simply using the comic books as the basis for the film

Making a great Fantastic Four film & being accurate are two different things & as they have shown already they might not care about accuracy

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Technically MARVEL has never gotten Spider-Man right in Live Action either t:

This looked pretty right to me:

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

change a couple of kids names and hair colours and suddenly everything is unrecognizable...
cast an actress in the approximate age of Parker's parents as his aunt and the whole world falls apart...

 

[Pannikan]

cast an actress in the approximate age of Parker's parents as his aunt and the whole world falls apart...

Huh I have said previously that Aunt May is the best thing

 

[Pannikan]

This looked pretty right to me:

I am not talking about him himself I am talking about everything around him in his solo minus Aunt May which is the best thing keep up man

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Huh I have said previously that Aunt May is the best thing

you are not the only one ridiculous, here or in the Spidey forum

 

[Pannikan]

change a couple of kids names and hair colours and suddenly everything is unrecognizable

You are ignoring plenty that is being said here. MARVEL CHANGED EVERYTHING ABOUT THESE CHARACTERS NOT JUST THE LOOK unless you are ignoring that fact on purpose ? MARVEL did not stay true at all to these characters traits & personalities they CHANGED EVERYTHING unless this fact is something some people can't accept that even MARVEL would do this ? & at this point people don't even care about the looks when they completely changed everything else

 

[Darth_Spock]

Can I ask why you're in here babbling about Spider-Man? If you want to talk about Spider-Man so bad, why don't you go to the Spider-man boards?

I don't give a s*** about Spider-man and suggesting any of us should not want Marvel to make FF because Homecoming (a film that we know next to nothing about) might not be a good film is one of the bat-s*** craziest things I've ever seen on this forum.

. . . and I've seen a lot of bat-s*** crazy things on this forum.

..................Fascinating!

 

[Pannikan]

I never said MARVEL should not make a Fantastic Four movie. I said that if they are willing to make these extreme changes to Spider-Man who knows how extreme the changes they could make could Fantastic Four will be. I said that Spider-man shows they could care less about being accurate & that personally worries me. It is not about changing the looks at this point with Spider-Man when they have completely changed the characters & did not even care to stay true to the characters. If they are happy to do it here they will have no problem doing it with Fantastic Four. Spider-Man has 6 movies & Fantastic Four currently has 4. That is all I said & I never once mentioned having issues with Peter, Aunt May its everything else

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

You are ignoring plenty that is being said here. MARVEL CHANGED EVERYTHING ABOUT THESE CHARACTERS NOT JUST THE LOOK unless you are ignoring that fact on purpose ? MARVEL did not stay true at all to these characters traits & personalities they CHANGED EVERYTHING unless this fact is something some people can't accept that even MARVEL would do this ? & at this point people don't even care about the looks when they completely changed everything else

that's your assumption. we simply have not enough data to know this. and given MS other movies so far, the essence of the characters, all cosmetic inaccuracies or superficial differences aside, might very well be intact.
it is way too soon to panic the way you panic over, essentialy, nothing

 

[Pannikan]

that's your assumption. we simply have not enough data to know this. and given MS other movies so far, the essence of the characters, all cosmetic inaccuracies or superficial differences aside, might very well be intact.
it is way too soon to panic the way you panic over, essentialy, nothing

Based on everything we are hearing, based on what people have seen it is not looking good so far & hey first time for everything where even MARVEL can screw things up

 

[ADollarADay]

Hmmm, imagine that. You're posting on a Fantastic Four thread, and you found someone who isn't a particular Spider-Man fan. What are the odds?

You appear to be struggling here. Let me help you out:

1) This is a FANTASTIC FOUR messge board. We discuss topics regarding the Fantastic Four films and the hope that Marvel will obtain the rights and make the first good FF film ever.

I see this as a thread to talk about "the rights reverting back to Marvel". Since this a "Marvel Films" board, all movie rights that don't 100% belong to Marvel are fair game. Based on the publicly available info, that includes Spider-Man as well. IMHO of course.

No it's not. "Mr. Stark what should I do?", "Stark said you'd say that, wow.", "Guys, look, I'd love to keep this up but I only got one job today, and I gotta impress Mr. Stark.", "Stark said to go for your legs!" Comic Peter has enough sense to use his brain and figure out how to take out the attackers without asking another hero how to do it. Plus his entire reason for fighting other heroes was because Tony blackmailed him. Iike I said the Spider-Man general discussion thread, I don't have a problem with him being in it, it's the context of his appearance that's bugging me.

I haven't been keeping up with homecoming rumors and whatnot, but I don't think you should worry about this. In CW, yes, he was like Stark's errand boy. That's because they were introducing him to the universe and bypassing his origin story due to Sony ****ing it up multiple times. It showed an insecure teenager who was trying to impress a hero who he idolizes. He still doesn't know his full power and what he's capable of. He will grow in the universe (unless the contract allows for Sony to snatch him back 100% after x amount of movies or years, which they would so they can create their own crappyverse).

Technically MARVEL has never gotten Spider-Man right in Live Action either t: When everything around him is so unrecognizable it does not help their case. So technically they can never get Fantastic Four right either. There is no guarantee on what direction they would take Fantastic Four. Fantastic Four has been done four times they might want their own take

IMO Civil War spidey is the best movie spidey ever and closest to the comics. We'll have to wait and see how homecoming turns out before judging. But 15-20 mins of Marvel Spider-Man >>>>>> Sony's Spider-Man efforts.

I will say this, Marvel is not above not screwing things up. They haven't made one good Thor or Hulk movie. The characters are amazing in the Avengers, but the solo efforts have left a lot to be desired. They can't do a Hulk movie now (hopefully they will get the solo distribution rights at some point) and Ragnarok is looking good. That might be the first time they do a solo Thor movie right. Here's hoping.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I see this as a thread to talk about "the rights reverting back to Marvel".

The thread was very specifically created in the FF forum to be about the FF rights. When the FF forum got closed down, this thread got plopped in here, but the title didn't get changed to be more specific.

I'm not averse to a discussion of other rights and their status and reversion, but that's not what Pannikan is talking about.

Pannikan is telling us we're all in denial because he/she doesn't like some of the rumors regarding Homecoming, so it's likely that Marvel will make an FF film less 'accurate' than Fant4stic.

That is such a silly premise and the conversation has gotten so comically ridiculous that I'm finding it somewhat amusing, so I don't mind the discussion continuing.

But since it seems very clear that the primary bee Pannikan has in his/her bonnet relates to the direction and rumors regarding homecoming, I don't understand why Pannikan doesn't take that discussion to the Spider-Man boards. But like I say, this is getting pretty entertaining, so I'll try to not complain for now.t:

 

[Darth_Spock]

Honest question how would you guys react if MARVEL made last years crap look good ? All of us being pissed about last years crap is how Spider-Man fans feel about Homecoming

That's just your opinion. And as bad as TASM2 was (The reason we're getting HC in the first place), it makes your issues with the HC cast sound pretty irrelevant. And wanting a couple of the MCU films to flop because "You" don't like the recent comics makes you an even bigger class act.

Anyway I'm still looking forward to Home Coming and the inevitable return of F4 back to Marvel.

 

[Spiderine]

He keeps saying What Marvel DID when the damn movie comes out next year and Spider-Man was great in Civil War and the Conic-Con footage apparently was excellent. I don't get it.

IMO every Marvel so far has nailed the essence of its main characters. I don't see what's so problematic about Homecoming right now.

He thinks Zendaya is Mary Jane Watson.......and he clearly doesn't like it.

 

[First Avenger]

He thinks Zendaya is Mary Jane Watson.......and he clearly doesn't like it.

Not enough to dismiss a whole movie.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Not enough to dismiss a whole movie.

But it's better than that. Pannikan is not only dismissing Homecoming based on a few rumors and almost no real information but extrapolating from there and assuming Marvel - who has consistently done a better job than any other studio of faithfully adapting key elements of characters while updating them as necessary - will do a 180. And that complete loss of ability to make good films will stick so that 6, 7,8 years from now, when they do an FF film, they will make one that is worse than the unspeakably terrible Fant4stic.

I'm starting to think Pannikan is just trying to create a fictional internet persona to say ridiculous things and see what kind of rise they'll get.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Marvel's done well so far. Even Hank Pym is still recognizably Hank Pym. He's just an older version of him.

Like I said in the Spider-Man board, I think Marvel has earned the benefit of a doubt based on their track record.

 

[Dark Raven]

I never said MARVEL should not make a Fantastic Four movie. I said that if they are willing to make these extreme changes to Spider-Man who knows how extreme the changes they could make could Fantastic Four will be. I said that Spider-man shows they could care less about being accurate & that personally worries me. It is not about changing the looks at this point with Spider-Man when they have completely changed the characters & did not even care to stay true to the characters. If they are happy to do it here they will have no problem doing it with Fantastic Four. Spider-Man has 6 movies & Fantastic Four currently has 4. That is all I said & I never once mentioned having issues with Peter, Aunt May its everything else

What is your solution then? Do you want Fox to keep the rights and have another go? Or do you want Marvel to have a go? Or do you want no-one to have a go in case someone messes it up?

 

[jaymes_e06]

Can I ask why you're in here babbling about Spider-Man? If you want to talk about Spider-Man so bad, why don't you go to the Spider-man boards?

I don't give a s*** about Spider-man and suggesting any of us should not want Marvel to make FF because Homecoming (a film that we know next to nothing about) might not be a good film is one of the bat-s*** craziest things I've ever seen on this forum.

. . . and I've seen a lot of bat-s*** crazy things on this forum.

Agreed though they made good points about us saying it would be in "perfect hands" at Marvel as we really have no idea how much better they could make it.

For all we know we might dislike "Homecoming"as a fanbase as much as FFINO (very very doubtful) but possible. Until I see that film I'm going to moderately reserve my thoughts on Marvel's FF.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Agreed though they made good points about us saying it would be in "perfect hands" at Marvel as we really have no idea how much better they could make it.

For all we know we might dislike "Homecoming"as a fanbase as much as FFINO (very very doubtful) but possible. Until I see that film I'm going to moderately reserve my thoughts on Marvel's FF.

In my opinion, Thor, Dark World is the worst film Marvel has made.

And in my opinion (and in the opinion of most critics) all three Fox FF films were inferior to Thor, Dark World. Fant4stic isn't even vaguely comparable to Thor, Dark World in quality or faithfulness.

Marvel understands their characters and respects the source material and hires directors who understand and respect the source material and they give those directors the resources they need to make good, faithful films.

Anything is possible, but it's far more likely that Marvel will make a film I will like than it is that Fox will make a film I will like.

 

[Dark Raven]

In my opinion, Thor, Dark World is the worst film Marvel has made.

And in my opinion (and in the opinion of most critics) all three Fox FF films were inferior to Thor, Dark World. Fant4stic isn't even vaguely comparable to Thor, Dark World in quality or faithfulness.

Marvel understands their characters and respects the source material and hires directors who understand and respect the source material and they give those directors the resources they need to make good, faithful films.

Anything is possible, but it's far more likely that Marvel will make a film I will like than it is that Fox will make a film I will like.

Well someone has to take the risk to make a film. It can't be that no-one makes a film in case they mess it up. If that were the case, Marvel shouldn't make any comic films in case they don't adhere to the source material at all.

And while Spider-Man: Homecoming might be questionable on certain things, their version of Daredevil is considered better than Fox's by miles. The only thing I would say I prefer about the Fox version is the simpler costume that DD wore whereas the Netflix version is still too busy with too many segments, and their end of season 1 mask looked ugly. But they even got rid of that.