The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 6

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't drill for oil but if I had property with oil on it that property would still be worth something and I would still hold on to those rights until I got a good deal. Never would I give up my property because I don't know how to drill for oil.

The analogy doesn't work because you can sit on the property indefinitely until you can get a good deal. Fox can't.

A more accurate analogy would be this: You don't drill for oil, but are renting property with oil on it. If you don't have oil coming out of the ground in 6 years, you get kicked off the property automatically. You have already lost over $100 million trying to drill for oil in the past and you know that if you try to meet that deadline you will end up losing even more money that you can never recoup. And you have to lose more millions of dollars trying to drill for oil every 7 years forever if you want to keep the property, because the moment you stop you lose the property.

 

[InternetPeople]

The moment you stop you have six years or be bought off. It costs you nothing to let the clock run. Fox and Marvel may be content to let the contract expire but six years is a long time and things change. Maybe Marvel becomes desperate enough to make a deal.

Fox recognizes there is oil in this land because they leased it and drilled for oil. Just because they suck at it doesn't mean they should give up the lease for free.

 

[Zarex]

The moment you stop you have six years or be bought off. It costs you nothing to let the clock run. Fox and Marvel may be content to let the contract expire but six years is a long time and things change. Maybe Marvel becomes desperate enough to make a deal.

Fox recognizes there is oil in this land because they leased it and drilled for oil. Just because they suck at it doesn't mean they should give up the lease for free.

The well has been dry for well (get it!) over a decade. FOX loses leverage each day we get closer to the reversion date. So the studio either gave up the FF rights or are in the process of doing so. Unless you believe Disney handed over X-MEN TV rights to FOX for no compensation.

 

[Dr Tactics]

The well has been dry for well (get it!) over a decade. FOX loses leverage each day we get closer to the reversion date. So the studio either gave up the FF rights or are in the process of doing so. Unless you believe Disney handed over X-MEN TV rights to FOX for no compensation.

I'm in the school that it is possible that this deal had nothing to do with the FF and it just added to the financial bottom line for Disney just to get revenue from another TV show by leasing the IP... I'm not convinced that Disney even demanded a reversion for the TV right which is why I not really interested in Legion to begin with..

 

[Zarex]

I'm in the school that it is possible that this deal had nothing to do with the FF and it just added to the financial bottom line for Disney just to get revenue from another TV show by leasing the IP... I'm not convinced that Disney even demanded a reversion for the TV right which is why I not really interested in Legion to begin with..

That doesn't make one bit of sense to me. Why would Disney/Marvel partner up with FOX when they can go it alone and keep all the money themselves? Why would the Mouse give up exclusive rights to Marvel branded TV programming? Why would Marvel increase the extremely competitive market for programming with a co-branded show on a competitor's network?

And if Disney/Marvel was so cool with handing over additional rights to the X-Men character family, increasing FOX's control over a Disney owned IP, why did the negotiations take so long? We heard from top brass at FOX that negotiating the X-Men deal was a grueling process that took nearly a year to complete. If this was a standard licensing deal, what the heck took so long?

We know Disney/Marvel has tried multiple times to reacquire the FF live action rights - during the Daredevil extension talks and before FFINO oozed into theaters. They really want these characters back. But FOX comes crawling back to Disney/Marvel, hat-in-hand, looking for TV rights, and the Mouse doesn't insist that the FF is part of the deal? A deal that wasn't consummated until after the embarrassment that was FFINO flopped in theaters? That would make sense if it were the 90s and Avi Arad was doing the deal, but now? It simply doesn't add up.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The moment you stop you have six years or be bought off. It costs you nothing to let the clock run. Fox and Marvel may be content to let the contract expire but six years is a long time and things change. Maybe Marvel becomes desperate enough to make a deal.

Fox recognizes there is oil in this land because they leased it and drilled for oil. Just because they suck at it doesn't mean they should give up the lease for free.

But it does cost to hold onto it in a couple different ways. First off, we've heard that Fox pays a fee every year just for holding the property.

But more importantly, the property becomes less valuable to Marvel with each passing day. It might have been worth something for them to lock things down and start working the characters into their films sooner rather than later.

But with each day that passes, Marvel gets closer to the day they'll get them for free, so they become less and less valuable to Marvel with each passing day.

The chances Fox will make a film are as close to zero as they could possibly be, so if they don't offer a very low price to Marvel, Marvel will just wait a few more years.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The moment you stop you have six years or be bought off. It costs you nothing to let the clock run. Fox and Marvel may be content to let the contract expire but six years is a long time and things change. Maybe Marvel becomes desperate enough to make a deal.

Fox recognizes there is oil in this land because they leased it and drilled for oil. Just because they suck at it doesn't mean they should give up the lease for free.

They are only three options:

1. Give up the rights for free.
2. Flush millions down the toilet to keep the rights for a further seven years before having to do this again.
3. Sell before the six years is up for whatever you can get.

Those are the only three options. There is no option where it works it well for Fox. That ship has sailed. Option 3 is by far the lesser evil of the three. Always remember the golden rule of business, never throw good money after bad.

As for Marvel, they are doing just fine without the Fantastic Four. While they would like to have it, Fox isn't hurting them at all if they keep the rights. Marvel will just sit there counting their billions they are making with the MCU while Fox is left with another megabomb. If Fox wants to throw millions of dollars away, that's their right, but it would be a terrible business decision. There is no outcome in which Fox "wins."

 

[metaphysician]

That's not necessarily true. It's also to keep another company from making a profit off of your property.

That would explain why Fox does it. *Not* why fans on this board support it.

 

[Spiderine]

I keep wondering were there any talks going on between FOX/Disney regarding the Star Wars DVD release sets and if there was any connection. All of this was going on simultaneously when they reached a deal in regards to those box sets. I don't know the specifics of that deal but this newfound friendship kind of started with that. No doubt Disney wanted to get that done but at what cost.

 

[Dr Tactics]

That doesn't make one bit of sense to me. Why would Disney/Marvel partner up with FOX when they can go it alone and keep all the money themselves? Why would the Mouse give up exclusive rights to Marvel branded TV programming? Why would Marvel increase the extremely competitive market for programming with a co-branded show on a competitor's network?

And if Disney/Marvel was so cool with handing over additional rights to the X-Men character family, increasing FOX's control over a Disney owned IP, why did the negotiations take so long? We heard from top brass at FOX that negotiating the X-Men deal was a grueling process that took nearly a year to complete. If this was a standard licensing deal, what the heck took so long?

We know Disney/Marvel has tried multiple times to reacquire the FF live action rights - during the Daredevil extension talks and before FFINO oozed into theaters. They really want these characters back. But FOX comes crawling back to Disney/Marvel, hat-in-hand, looking for TV rights, and the Mouse doesn't insist that the FF is part of the deal? A deal that wasn't consummated until after the embarrassment that was FFINO flopped in theaters? That would make sense if it were the 90s and Avi Arad was doing the deal, but now? It simply doesn't add up.

While I've always believed in that logic, Mega Studios don't always follow logic as much as their ego's and their own perceived position. as was mention above about the Stars Wars ep IV tangle that may be the deal that was made. Was their a 3 way deal. IDK nobody is saying.. Why is nobody saying? I'm not putting my heart into it. I'm not convinced that logic will be followed cause it was Illogical to go ahead with FFINO in the first place by Fox which is the main reason it failed as bad as it did

 

[Web-Head]

Just played some of the Fantastic 4 part in Lego: Marvel on ps3...Now I just want them in the MCU even more

 

[TheWebbedDevil]

While I've always believed in that logic, Mega Studios don't always follow logic as much as their ego's and their own perceived position. as was mention above about the Stars Wars ep IV tangle that may be the deal that was made. Was their a 3 way deal. IDK nobody is saying.. Why is nobody saying? I'm not putting my heart into it. I'm not convinced that logic will be followed cause it was Illogical to go ahead with FFINO in the first place by Fox which is the main reason it failed as bad as it did

Who's Mega Studios? Did you mean Marvel or Fox?

 

[Dr Tactics]

Who's Mega Studios? Did you mean Marvel or Fox?

Both are the subject, though Marvel is owned by Disney.

 

[Limonade]

While I've always believed in that logic, Mega Studios don't always follow logic as much as their ego's and their own perceived position. as was mention above about the Stars Wars ep IV tangle that may be the deal that was made. Was their a 3 way deal. IDK nobody is saying.. Why is nobody saying? I'm not putting my heart into it. I'm not convinced that logic will be followed cause it was Illogical to go ahead with FFINO in the first place by Fox which is the main reason it failed as bad as it did

???

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

IDK nobody is saying.. Why is nobody saying?

My thought would have been that if there was a deal, they would announce it at some point since it would be hard to keep secret.

But that would be the only real reason to make an announcement rather than waiting.

Ideally, if a deal was made but nothing will happen until later, the best thing would be to keep that information secret until close to the time they have a product to sell.

An announcement regarding a deal will generate buzz and excitement. If, after that buzz and excitement, people have to wait another four years to see anything, that buzz and excitement will have been squandered. It would be much better, from a marketing perspective, to make the announcement and then follow up with bits and pieces leading to an actual film within a year or less of the announcement.

Let's imagine that Marvel has the rights and will feature a young Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom in Infinity Wars.

The ideal way to reveal that, in my opinion, would be to announce they have the rights at the 2017, July Comic-con - but don't actually confirm any characters will be featured in any upcoming films.

Then, as anticipation builds for the May release of IW, drop little hints and glimpses from the set that suggest Doom and Richards might appear in the film, but don't officially confirm it until shortly before release.

Something like that would get maximum bang for the buck because rumors and buzz would slowly build to a crescendo just in time for people to buy their tickets.

If you imagine an alternative in which they announced today that they have the rights and Doom and Richards will appear in IW, the internet would explode . . . today . . . and then by May 2018, it would be old news and not nearly as exciting.

But again, that's the marketing ideal. I would expect they couldn't keep it secret and that would force their hand to announce it sooner rather than later. But we've had some rumors and nobody believes those, so IF they have the rights, they've successfully maintained secrecy, so it would make sense to hold off as long as possible at this point until we're closer to seeing some characters in a film.

That doesn't mean they have the rights, but lack of an announcement, in no way, indicates they don't have the rights.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think the details of the deal, if there is any, will be like a bra. They'll keep it close to their chest and won't allow anything to be revealed except in private.

 

[Darth_Spock]

A more fitting analogy would be if you leased your land out to someone, who then took a massive dump all over it and burned your house down before sitting in the middle of it wondering why you won't give them the world for it.

BOOM!

 

[First Avenger]

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=IZeOkbm4dog

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[Web-Head]

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=IZeOkbm4dog

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That was great

 

[Abudefduf]

I like to think that the dude voicing the exec is an actual Fox executive whose evil ramblings were recorded without his permission and then used to make this video.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=IZeOkbm4dog

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Fant5stic.

 

[TheVileOne]

That video nailed it. Fox never wants to allow them back to Marvel because if they succeed with Fantastic Four, it would make Fox look terrible.

 

[Spiderine]

Newsflash........Fox already looks terrible when it come to the four. And they didn't need any help doing it.

 

[Web-Head]

I just want someone to ask Feige about the Fantastic 4. No matter what the question is, just ask him something about them. I wonder what he'd say.

 

[Zarex]

That video nailed it. Fox never wants to allow them back to Marvel because if they succeed with Fantastic Four, it would make Fox look terrible.

The only thing that would make FOX look worse would be announcing they are going to make another FF film.