The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 6

[Snaaaaake!]

With respect, I don't think Stacey Snider has your not making things easier for her on her agenda.

I know my worth, Mr Vile.

And since CBM's are big business these days it's safe to say that Fox would rather have our patronage vs having our @ss to kiss.

She could be replaced as easily as Gianopulos was if Rupert isn't impressed. So yeah, I'm convinced that people like me are on her agenda one way or another.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

We're going to get speculation that the rights may revert at every Comic-Con and D23 forward until the inevitable happens and the rights revert. So we can look forward to your insufferable gloating for a little while longer.

No reason to limit it to Comic Con. I wake up every day and think "Maybe we'll hear something today."

And every day we don't hear that Fox is making another film is one day closer to Marvel getting it. t:

 

[wobbly]

Wishful thinking, just like the countdown to the reveal at Comic-Con that didn't happen.

Wishful thinking is what created this thread in the first place and has sustained it when the rest of FFINO's section was consigned to oblivion

Seriously though, I'm not expecting anything anytime soon. It's in Fox's and Marvels best interests to let the fetid corpse Fox made of this franchise to wane as much as it can from memory, whether Fox intend to keep making FF films or not (I think they'd be idiots to try again, but studios can be idiots at times).

So this isn't like the Sony deal, where Sony's hand was forced thanks to TASM2, money woes and the hacked emails. In this case Marvel and Fox can wait until revealing if they have made a deal or not, as Marvel wouldn't be rushing to produce an FF film until Phase IV in any event, and if Fox are daft enough to try for another reboot they will take it down to the wire to get in just before the reversion deadline again.

So for me I'd guess we could be waiting another few years until we get a yay or nay on this for any deal. If Fox decide to throw in the towel on FF and deal (or already have) I would hope for an announcement of Marvels plans maybe a bit before P4. If Fox just let the timer elapse then we probably won't know until a while after the fact (Previous reversions due to deadlines elapsing have occurred without any ceremony). If that happens we'd be looking at 2022/23 before knowing about it

If Fox do decide try again they will likely make an announcement a year or 2 prior to the 7-8 year deadline (so maybe around 2020/21). However it might be sooner for that given they announced the FF reboot in 2009, but took another 5 years to do anything substantial in actually making it.

All that prep time and they gave us FFINO...

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

If Fox do decide try again they will likely make an announcement a year or 2 prior to the 7-8 year deadline (so maybe around 2020/21). However it might be sooner for that given they announced the FF reboot in 2009, but took another 5 years to do anything substantial in actually making it.

I'm going with the idea (based on a lot of things I've seen over the past few years) that a new film would need to begin filming a minimum of 7 years after release and that film would need to be in theaters the following calendar year.

That means filming would have to start (at the absolute latest and I believe they'll have learned not to push it to the end) by summer of 2022.

For them to start filming in summer of 2022, they'll have to be fully committed by summer of 2021 and starting to put things together.

I don't think that's nearly long enough for people to forget.

In 2009, there were some mixed feelings and some hard-core fans started the anti-Fox rhetoric then, but I think the situation is completely different now. I don't think there's any way they could announce a film in the next 5 years and have it accepted.

As you say, look at this thread - still going more than a year after the film. We didn't have anything like this in 2009.

 

[Zarex]

With a commitment in 2021 and commencement in 2022, it seems reasonable to suggest that FOX would need to hire a writer at least by 2020, perhaps even as early as 2019. If they hire a writer it is going to leak, and if that happens hope you are not holding any stock in 21st Century Fox. But the blowback would be enough to kill FOX's plans if they were foolish enough to make them.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

 

[Dark Raven]

^ That's what people will look like by the time the rights revert.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

^ That's what people will look like by the time the rights revert.

So you're saying I'll get better-looking?

 

[Chris B]

We're going to get speculation that the rights may revert at every Comic-Con and D23 forward until the inevitable happens and the rights revert. So we can look forward to your insufferable gloating for a little while longer.

The ironic thing is that TheVileOne himself has said before that he thinks Marvel will get the FF back eventually. So I'm not sure what the point is of coming in this thread just to be contrarian.

 

[TheVileOne]

The ironic thing is that TheVileOne himself has said before that he thinks Marvel will get the FF back eventually. So I'm not sure what the point is of coming in this thread just to be contrarian.

They will. It's just going to take years, and maybe years & years. I believe Marvel Disney will ultimately get back X-Men too. It may not happen tomorrow or a year from now. But I believe it will happen.

But it's not going to happen at Comic-Con. And no amount of click bait journalism rumors are going to change that.

 

[Spiderine]

What makes u so sure Marvel will get the Xmen back? Its quite possibly the easiest property to hold on to. They have a better chance of getting Spidey back 100% from Sony. Even if they worked out a sharing deal Fox is not giving up Xmen.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

They will. It's just going to take years, and maybe years & years. I believe Marvel Disney will ultimately get back X-Men too. It may not happen tomorrow or a year from now. But I believe it will happen.

But it's not going to happen at Comic-Con. And no amount of click bait journalism rumors are going to change that.

I'm curious. Out of these five options, what are your thoughts on how likely they are to happen?

1. Fox sells/trades the rights back to Marvel.
2. The deadline expires and Fox isn't able/is unwilling to proceed with another film and the rights revert, like what happened with Daredevil.
3. Fox goes forward with a Fant4stic sequel.
4. Fox rushes out another reboot as the deadline is about to expire.
5. Fox and Marvel come to some sort of shared agreement, like with Spider-Man.

 

[WeaponXCII]

What makes u so sure Marvel will get the Xmen back? Its quite possibly the easiest property to hold on to. They have a better chance of getting Spidey back 100% from Sony. Even if they worked out a sharing deal Fox is not giving up Xmen.

Evidence and logic. Save for the Fantastic Four- which we all know is on a fast track home- every IP, I believe, has either effectively (e.g., Spider-Man) or actually returned to Marvel. It would be enough of a stretch of the imagination by itself to say that X-Men will never revert, but to say that the X-Men will be the only IP in Marvel's entire pantheon to never revert? That the X-Men, for some obscure, flimsy reason, is the sole exception to this trend? I wouldn't buy that even for a second- there isn't a shred of evidence to suggest it. The fact that the X-Men has been the most successful leased property does not mean that it will never revert, it merely means that it will take the longest to do so. Also, using the example of Spidey, I think that it worth remembering that Fox doesn't have to give up the X-Men for Marvel to get them.

I apologize in advance if I came across overly-defensive. I just have a lot of passion for this issue.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm curious. Out of these five options, what are your thoughts on how likely they are to happen?

1. Fox sells/trades the rights back to Marvel.
2. The deadline expires and Fox isn't able/is unwilling to proceed with another film and the rights revert, like what happened with Daredevil.
3. Fox goes forward with a Fant4stic sequel.
4. Fox rushes out another reboot as the deadline is about to expire.
5. Fox and Marvel come to some sort of shared agreement, like with Spider-Man.

I'm picking none of the above.

 

[TheVileOne]

What makes u so sure Marvel will get the Xmen back? Its quite possibly the easiest property to hold on to. They have a better chance of getting Spidey back 100% from Sony. Even if they worked out a sharing deal Fox is not giving up Xmen.

It's Marvel/Disney's manifest destiny. They technically already own all their properties. It's just the film rights that are set up elsewhere. It makes sense at some point to have all their film rights back under their own banner. I believe sooner or later, the roosters will come home to roost.

Marvel and Disney had to work out deals to get the distribution rights back for Captain America, Thor and Avengers. However, the deal still allowed Paramount to get its logo in front of Avengers, even though Paramount had nothing to do with it.

Iron Man was set up at a different studio. Marvel got it back. Daredevil, Elektra, Punisher, Ghost Rider, and Blade were all set up at different studios. All those characters came back to Marvel.

While Sony still technically holds the film rights for Spider-Man, Marvel Studios now gets to produce films with Spider-Man in them now. That was unheard of several years ago.

Conditions can change at the drop of a hat. It won't happen tomorrow. But several years from now? Who knows.

 

[Web-Head]

I'm picking none of the above.

But if number 3 doesn't happen, number 2 will...

 

[Chris B]

Evidence and logic. Save for the Fantastic Four- which we all know is on a fast track home- every IP, I believe, has either effectively (e.g., Spider-Man) or actually returned to Marvel. It would be enough of a stretch of the imagination by itself to say that X-Men will never revert, but to say that the X-Men will be the only IP in Marvel's entire pantheon to never revert? That the X-Men, for some obscure, flimsy reason, is the sole exception to this trend? I wouldn't buy that even for a second- there isn't a shred of evidence to suggest it. The fact that the X-Men has been the most successful leased property does not mean that it will never revert, it merely means that it will take the longest to do so. Also, using the example of Spidey, I think that it worth remembering that Fox doesn't have to give up the X-Men for Marvel to get them.

I apologize in advance if I came across overly-defensive. I just have a lot of passion for this issue.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of sharing deal with the X-Men coming about at some point. Who knows, it could happen sooner than we think depending on what happens with the franchise over the next few years.

 

[Dark Raven]

Someone posted this in another thread. This cosplayer version of Doom looks better than anything produced in live action so far:

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[Spiderine]

It's Marvel/Disney's manifest destiny. They technically already own all their properties. It's just the film rights that are set up elsewhere. It makes sense at some point to have all their film rights back under their own banner. I believe sooner or later, the roosters will come home to roost.

Marvel and Disney had to work out deals to get the distribution rights back for Captain America, Thor and Avengers. However, the deal still allowed Paramount to get its logo in front of Avengers, even though Paramount had nothing to do with it.

Iron Man was set up at a different studio. Marvel got it back. Daredevil, Elektra, Punisher, Ghost Rider, and Blade were all set up at different studios. All those characters came back to Marvel.

While Sony still technically holds the film rights for Spider-Man, Marvel Studios now gets to produce films with Spider-Man in them now. That was unheard of several years ago.

Conditions can change at the drop of a hat. It won't happen tomorrow. But several years from now? Who knows.

I think you me and just about everybody on this board know that we are talking strictly about cinematic rights to the Xmen. You don't really have to clarify that.

And I stated.......it would likely be a similar sharing deal or some sort of collaboration between the studios that would probably take shape. Im aware of the "possibility" that anything can happen beyond those likely scenarios but I was primarily referring to the one longshot scenario that FOX will relinquish the rights in its entirety or allow them to simply revert. If it were to happen in 10 or 20 years then pop the champagne. I certainly wouldn't say "never" but there are far more lucrative brands under the Xmen umbrella with character and groups than any of those properties you just gave as examples and FOX will exploit them for years. Whether they make it solo or with Marvel's assistance.

Im certainly not a fortune teller but I believe FOX will still control those "film" rights for years.

 

[Spiderine]

Evidence and logic. Save for the Fantastic Four- which we all know is on a fast track home- every IP, I believe, has either effectively (e.g., Spider-Man) or actually returned to Marvel. It would be enough of a stretch of the imagination by itself to say that X-Men will never revert, but to say that the X-Men will be the only IP in Marvel's entire pantheon to never revert? That the X-Men, for some obscure, flimsy reason, is the sole exception to this trend? I wouldn't buy that even for a second- there isn't a shred of evidence to suggest it. The fact that the X-Men has been the most successful leased property does not mean that it will never revert, it merely means that it will take the longest to do so. Also, using the example of Spidey, I think that it worth remembering that Fox doesn't have to give up the X-Men for Marvel to get them.

I apologize in advance if I came across overly-defensive. I just have a lot of passion for this issue.

As I said before.....the strongest and most likely scenario would be a collaboration or character swapping/sharing deal between the two. I can totally see that happening really soon. Never have I denied that and I have practically predicted just that numerous times.

That scenario is entirely different from the FOX studio relinquishing their control/share/stake in the "cinematic" right they currently own. Anymore than Sony not reaping the benefits of the deal they made and the rights they still own.

 

[Docker2.0]

But if number 3 doesn't happen, number 2 will...

I don't know why you guys entertain Vile. He lives for the fight. Heck, his name is the VILE ONE for a reason. You can say 1+1=2 but he'd argue 2-0=2. Neither of you are wrong but it is what it is. He agrees with you guys but just can't say it straight out because it would ruin his image.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I'm picking none of the above.

So what do you think will happen then? That Marvel will extend the deadline in exchange for something else? There aren't many other options. Fox has to get a movie out within a few short years, or they will lose the rights.

 

[TheVileOne]

So what do you think will happen then? That Marvel will extend the deadline in exchange for something else? There aren't many other options. Fox has to get a movie out within a few short years, or they will lose the rights.

Maybe there will be a bankruptcy fire sale .

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Maybe there will be a bankruptcy fire sale .

Disney buys Fox. Now that would be interesting.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Disney buys Fox. Now that would be interesting.

Has there been any news/rumors on that front recently?

I haven't heard anything for a while, but I haven't really been plugged in.