The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 6

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When I was a kid the characters that defined the Marvel Universe even to non-Marvel fans (the ones you could get on T-Shirts, posters etc. and that people had at least seen even if they never opened a comic book) were :

Spider-Man
Hulk
Thing
Captain America
Thor
Dr. Strange
Iron Man
Dr. Doom

Now that Dr. Strange is out, we've seen six of those eight characters on the big-screen brought to life nearly perfectly as we imagined them when we were kids.

That's why I was hoping and saying (until it was clear there was no hope) that if Fox at least got Thing and Doom right, the movie would be worth seeing just for them.

It looks like it will be many years before we get those two, key missing pieces.:csad:

That's why folks of a (ahem) certain age are much more concerned about no FF than the lack of X-Men in the MCU. When I first started reading comics the X-Men books were in reprints and the team was largely kept separate from the core 616 after Wein, Claremont and others revived the brand. A separate X-Men movie series seems perfectly ok while not having the First Family in the MCU feels very, very wrong.
 
When I was a kid the characters that defined the Marvel Universe even to non-Marvel fans (the ones you could get on T-Shirts, posters etc. and that people had at least seen even if they never opened a comic book) were :

Spider-Man
Hulk
Thing
Captain America
Thor
Dr. Strange
Iron Man
Dr. Doom

Now that Dr. Strange is out, we've seen six of those eight characters on the big-screen brought to life nearly perfectly as we imagined them when we were kids.

That's why I was hoping and saying (until it was clear there was no hope) that if Fox at least got Thing and Doom right, the movie would be worth seeing just for them.

It looks like it will be many years before we get those two, key missing pieces.:csad:

Poor Silver Surfer too. :(
 
Poor Silver Surfer too. :(

Yeah, he probably belongs on the list. I think I remember Silver Surfer T-shirts in the '70s.

And I'm just focusing on how recognizable the characters would be to non-comic fans. When it comes to defining the Marvel Universe, we comic fans recognize you really need Galactus, SS, Reed Richards and Doom.

The MCU will just never feel like it's really Marvel to me without those characters pushing the limits.

... but we also should probably give Fox credit. Considering everything they did wrong, Silver Surfer was actually a highlight (though he was surrounded by crap). The Torch/Surfer chase scene was pretty epic. I just wish there was more good stuff to go with that scene, and more for the SS to work with.
 
The more movies marvel makes and the deeper it gets into the comics mithology,the more I want them to make a F4 movie. After seeing what they've done with the various Avengers,Guardians and now Doctor Strange,it's such a shame they don't have access to their first superheroes.

Actually Namor was the first. He's the foundation for the entire Marvel Universe.
 
Doctor Strange was amazing.

I feel like the F4 will return soon...got F4 vibes from the cosmic scenes in Strange

I read someone on reddit suggest

Patrick Wilson as Reed Richards...that's an inspired decision. I was originally going with John Krasinski but Patrick makes more sense.

Seth Rogen is my Ben Grimm

And Dylan O'Brien as Johnny Storm

Sue Storm...Michelle Williams!
 
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Also, in 2018, is anyone else hyped for what may be the reversion of the Hulk production rights?
 
Doctor Strange was amazing.

I feel like the F4 will return soon...got F4 vibes from the cosmic scenes in Strange

I read someone on reddit suggest

Patrick Wilson as Reed Richards...that's an inspired decision. I was originally going with John Krasinski but Patrick makes more sense.

Seth Rogen is my Ben Grimm

And Dylan O'Brien as Johnny Storm

Sue Storm...Michelle Williams!

I'd rather see Matthew McCaunahey, Seth Rogan, Emily Blunt and Cam Gigandet.
 
At least we can agree on Seth Rogen. Emily Blunt is a good choice too. I listed her as one of my alternates. Who do you pick as Doctor Doom?

I'm going with Fassbender lol
 
Chris Claremont clearly laments the fact that the X-Men are not at Marvel/Disney. Love the man's passion in that Collider interview. Greatest run ever in the history of comics. :up:
 
Yeah, he probably belongs on the list. I think I remember Silver Surfer T-shirts in the '70s.

And I'm just focusing on how recognizable the characters would be to non-comic fans. When it comes to defining the Marvel Universe, we comic fans recognize you really need Galactus, SS, Reed Richards and Doom.

The MCU will just never feel like it's really Marvel to me without those characters pushing the limits.

... but we also should probably give Fox credit. Considering everything they did wrong, Silver Surfer was actually a highlight (though he was surrounded by crap). The Torch/Surfer chase scene was pretty epic. I just wish there was more good stuff to go with that scene, and more for the SS to work with.

Surfer was done pretty well if not for the terrible idea of the surfboard being the source of its power. That chase scene was indeed great,kind of like a precursor of that ripped-out-of-comics iconic scenes we always get from Marvel Studios. Too bad the movie around it was pretty bad,but not as bad as FFINO.
 
Are there any updates on this?

There won't be for two years. If Thor 3 makes a whole ton of money, then Marvel will start thinking about a Hulk film.
 
Well they have to be thinking about it in some form I suspect based on his appearance in Ragnarok. I wonder if they could do a Hulk film without putting Hulk in the title....Like CA: Civil War could have just as easily been called Civil War.
 
Magic is at last in the MCU...Doom MUST be cast...Mikkelsen SHOULD have been Doom....I wish Feige would just tell us what it will take for Marvel to get the F4 rights back....we must know their plans lol
 
It's just going to take time. Marvel and Disney seem to have plenty of that right now. I wouldn't worry.
 
Well they have to be thinking about it in some form I suspect based on his appearance in Ragnarok. I wonder if they could do a Hulk film without putting Hulk in the title....Like CA: Civil War could have just as easily been called Civil War.

Not really. If Hulk is a solo protagonist, it probably won't happen like that. Either the rights are on a ten year timer and Marvel can do a Hulk 2 in Phase 4... or Universal are going to have to be convinced that Hulk is profitable enough after the first film flopped.
 
If nothing else, I think Marvel has to be seriously considering the possibility that they'll get the FF back and how that could affect their plans going forward. I think its just a question of whether or not they'll try and wait Fox out over the next six years or they try to make a deal to get them back early.
 
The fact of the matter is this. And this might be hard to hear. Right now, Marvel doesn't desperately need Fantastic Four, Galactus, X-Men, or Silver Surfer. Would it be awesome if all those film rights were at Marvel Studios? Yes. But Marvel Studios is also doing fine without them.

So no Fantastic Four? Well, Marvel turned around and made Guardians of the Galaxy a billion dollar movie franchise. Doctor Strange got better reviews than all of the DC movies released this year. Marvel cannot be taken lightly at this point. They are converting their brands into beloved, high level IPs right now. Right now, Marvel has enough on its plate that there isn't a big rush to do Fantastic Four.

The point is, Marvel has built its library and backlog. Marvel Studios' film base is strong. The TV base is strong and constantly growing. They don't need to rush and desperately secure anything.

While Fox is struggling to figure out what to do with X-Men outside of Deadpool or Fantastic Four, Marvel is sitting pretty. In the war of attrition, Marvel is ahead of the curve of anyone now because audiences and critics alike genuinely like their films. They like the actors, and they like these characters for the most part. It means Marvel is on the right path and they can continue branching out. Even if they branch out to more experimental type of stuff or characters who are lesser known, they can still find success with them. A lot of people thought Ant-Man would be a bomb or at least a big disappointment for Marvel. That got turned on its head.

If it's a waiting game, Marvel can play for keeps, and like Captain America, they can wait all day long because Marvel is sitting in the cat bird's seat.

Marvel has planted its flag and built its film universe. It's not going anywhere. I truly believe, no matter how many years it takes, all of it's going back to Marvel at some point.
 
The fact of the matter is this. And this might be hard to hear. Right now, Marvel doesn't desperately need Fantastic Four, Galactus, X-Men, or Silver Surfer. Would it be awesome if all those film rights were at Marvel Studios? Yes. But Marvel Studios is also doing fine without them.

So no Fantastic Four? Well, Marvel turned around and made Guardians of the Galaxy a billion dollar movie franchise. Doctor Strange got better reviews than all of the DC movies released this year. Marvel cannot be taken lightly at this point. They are converting their brands into beloved, high level IPs right now. Right now, Marvel has enough on its plate that there isn't a big rush to do Fantastic Four.

The point is, Marvel has built its library and backlog. Marvel Studios' film base is strong. The TV base is strong and constantly growing. They don't need to rush and desperately secure anything.

While Fox is struggling to figure out what to do with X-Men outside of Deadpool or Fantastic Four, Marvel is sitting pretty. In the war of attrition, Marvel is ahead of the curve of anyone now because audiences and critics alike genuinely like their films. They like the actors, and they like these characters for the most part. It means Marvel is on the right path and they can continue branching out. Even if they branch out to more experimental type of stuff or characters who are lesser known, they can still find success with them. A lot of people thought Ant-Man would be a bomb or at least a big disappointment for Marvel. That got turned on its head.

If it's a waiting game, Marvel can play for keeps, and like Captain America, they can wait all day long because Marvel is sitting in the cat bird's seat.

Marvel has planted its flag and built its film universe. It's not going anywhere. I truly believe, no matter how many years it takes, all of it's going back to Marvel at some point.

I agree they don't need FF, but I also think they would like to have the FF sooner rather than later.

Sure, they can develop minor characters, but that requires more effort than giving people characters they already want to see.

When Marvel makes Guardians of The Galaxy, people who don't know anything about GOTG show up because it's a Marvel film. But people also show up for characters they know (look at Fox's first FF film or recent DC efforts which have been savaged by reviewers but people show up because they know and like the characters).

So while Marvel can develop minor properties it's a lot better for them to have a one, two punch of Marvel plus known characters.

Also, Marvel is working toward creating a true Marvel universe. Their MCU will feel like a weak imitation of the Marvel universe fans know as long as Galactus, Silver Surfer, Dr. Doom and Reed Richards aren't part of it.

And lastly, Marvel has illustrated the wisdom of variety. When they were talking about introducing characters like Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Inhumans etc. part of me was thinking "Why Bother? Why not just make Thor 7, Iron Man 10, Captain America 9 etc.", but we can see now how vibrant and dynamic and interesting this universe is as they introduce new characters and mix and match those characters. And on the other side, we can see how stale the X-Men are getting as Fox continues to make the same film with the same characters over and over again.

With that said, it's not critical that Marvel needs to start introducing the FF now. As long as they know Fox won't make another film and they'll get the rights back, they can be patient and wait.

But that's a risky strategy as we saw in 2013. As long as they don't have the rights locked down, there is a chance that Fox will continue to play "keep away".

Marvel doesn't need FF now, but it would be very good for them to ensure they will have them in the years to come. For that reason, if they have the opportunity to obtain the rights for a reasonable price, they should be making an effort to do that.

If Marvel isn't making at least some effort to lock down the rights, I would be both disappointed and surprised.
 
The fact of the matter is this. And this might be hard to hear. Right now, Marvel doesn't desperately need Fantastic Four, Galactus, X-Men, or Silver Surfer. Would it be awesome if all those film rights were at Marvel Studios? Yes. But Marvel Studios is also doing fine without them.

So no Fantastic Four? Well, Marvel turned around and made Guardians of the Galaxy a billion dollar movie franchise. Doctor Strange got better reviews than all of the DC movies released this year. Marvel cannot be taken lightly at this point. They are converting their brands into beloved, high level IPs right now. Right now, Marvel has enough on its plate that there isn't a big rush to do Fantastic Four.

The point is, Marvel has built its library and backlog. Marvel Studios' film base is strong. The TV base is strong and constantly growing. They don't need to rush and desperately secure anything.

While Fox is struggling to figure out what to do with X-Men outside of Deadpool or Fantastic Four, Marvel is sitting pretty. In the war of attrition, Marvel is ahead of the curve of anyone now because audiences and critics alike genuinely like their films. They like the actors, and they like these characters for the most part. It means Marvel is on the right path and they can continue branching out. Even if they branch out to more experimental type of stuff or characters who are lesser known, they can still find success with them. A lot of people thought Ant-Man would be a bomb or at least a big disappointment for Marvel. That got turned on its head.

If it's a waiting game, Marvel can play for keeps, and like Captain America, they can wait all day long because Marvel is sitting in the cat bird's seat.

Marvel has planted its flag and built its film universe. It's not going anywhere. I truly believe, no matter how many years it takes, all of it's going back to Marvel at some point.

sure, they can build up lesser known characters, or even new characters in the comic books and trtanslate them to the big screen.
and it works very well with their heroes so far. lots of new heroes in the books that someday will get the MCU treatment.

but how many memorable villains were created the last decade? the last two decades? how many of them are comparable to Doom, Galactus, Kang, etc.?

And there will be a time post-Thanos. When the BBEG MS has built everything up to for three phases is defeatet. And there will be the need for a threat on almost the same level. And options are limited. (I can see Dormammu filling that void and I hope that's the plan but other than him? Graviton? Has yet to return to the MCU after a season 1 appearance on AoS. Ultron? Already been used. Atlez? I'm not sure MS has the rights to him, but even hardcore fans would scratch their head and ask: "who?" The Dweller in the Darkness? okay, that's a movie I'd love to watch. Let's settle on the Dweller)

MS might have no need for the First Family atm, even though I'd love to see them as part of that universe (and done right) as soon as possible. but their rogue gallery is something they need back very, very quickly.
 
The fact of the matter is this. And this might be hard to hear. Right now, Marvel doesn't desperately need Fantastic Four, Galactus, X-Men, or Silver Surfer. Would it be awesome if all those film rights were at Marvel Studios? Yes. But Marvel Studios is also doing fine without them.

So no Fantastic Four? Well, Marvel turned around and made Guardians of the Galaxy a billion dollar movie franchise. Doctor Strange got better reviews than all of the DC movies released this year. Marvel cannot be taken lightly at this point. They are converting their brands into beloved, high level IPs right now. Right now, Marvel has enough on its plate that there isn't a big rush to do Fantastic Four.

The point is, Marvel has built its library and backlog. Marvel Studios' film base is strong. The TV base is strong and constantly growing. They don't need to rush and desperately secure anything.

While Fox is struggling to figure out what to do with X-Men outside of Deadpool or Fantastic Four, Marvel is sitting pretty. In the war of attrition, Marvel is ahead of the curve of anyone now because audiences and critics alike genuinely like their films. They like the actors, and they like these characters for the most part. It means Marvel is on the right path and they can continue branching out. Even if they branch out to more experimental type of stuff or characters who are lesser known, they can still find success with them. A lot of people thought Ant-Man would be a bomb or at least a big disappointment for Marvel. That got turned on its head.

If it's a waiting game, Marvel can play for keeps, and like Captain America, they can wait all day long because Marvel is sitting in the cat bird's seat.

Marvel has planted its flag and built its film universe. It's not going anywhere. I truly believe, no matter how many years it takes, all of it's going back to Marvel at some point.

All good point. I don't feel like Marvel is in any rush to get F4 back but would probably make a film soon after if they did. I can picture the only reason to really active work to secure the right reversion is just so that Fox doesn't make another bomb.
 
After watching Dr. Strange and now seeing how it is performing at the BO, it is very telling and interesting to see it out performing X-Men. X-Men under Feige and co would be competing with Avengers at the BO IMO. FF would be competing with GoTG.

Under Fox X-Men competes against Marvel's lesser known characters that they are trying to bring to the mainstream and FF competes with Agents of Shield.

When I was a kid the characters that defined the Marvel Universe even to non-Marvel fans (the ones you could get on T-Shirts, posters etc. and that people had at least seen even if they never opened a comic book) were :

Spider-Man
Hulk
Thing
Captain America
Thor
Dr. Strange
Iron Man
Dr. Doom

As someone who grew up not reading comics and not knowing what was what (i.e. I didn't even know Marvel owned X-Men despite having played Marvel vs Capcom lol), I can't agree with this list. These are the characters I did know and could recognize:

Fantastic Four (especially Thing and Reed Richards, but Johnny was also recognizable to me)
X-Men (main ones, i.e. Wolverine, Beast, Professor X, Cyclops, Jean, Rogue, Storm)
Spider Man
Hulk
Thor

Everyone else (including Ironman) on that list was unknown to me and I knew more about DC's characters, especially Batman and its lore and Superman.
 
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