The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 6

[Orba]

Interesting. Might be the time for Disney to make an offer on the rights.

 

[ADollarADay]

Other source

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jocks-film-geeks-battle-at-germanys-constantin-946508

They presumably own FF, Neverending story, and Resident Evil production movie rights. If they really spin it off though, Disney should bid and accept nothing less than a win.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I hate to be the guy to piss on the parade, but I've read, from several knowledgeable sources over the years, that Constantin has no say in the rights.

I'm nearly 100% certain the rights were transferred to Fox and Fox has complete control (within the limits of their agreement with Marvel).

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Consider this: If you were Constantin, and you controlled the rights, would you rather take a percentage of Fox's box office or Marvel's? If Constantin really controlled the rights, they would have made a deal with Marvel long ago.

 

[ADollarADay]

Consider this: If you were Constantin, and you controlled the rights, would you rather take a percentage of Fox's box office or Marvel's? If Constantin really controlled the rights, they would have made a deal with Marvel long ago.

They might be stuck with exclusive distribution rights with Fox.

For example, Constantin owns production rights and Fox owns distribution rights (or first rights of refusal). Something not that different from Hulk's distro rights. We just wouldn't know if those rights ever expire.

They are also mentioned as "in association with" on Fan4stic.

 

[TheVileOne]

You would think Disney would've worked out a deal for the Hulk rights at this point.

 

[Flint Marko]

It is rather odd, but given their deep bench of characters as well as the lackluster performance of the past two Hulk films, I can understand why they'd take their time.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Consider this: If you were Constantin, and you controlled the rights, would you rather take a percentage of Fox's box office or Marvel's? If Constantin really controlled the rights, they would have made a deal with Marvel long ago.

The Constantin logo still appears in front of every FF movie in Germany and Austria. The Constantin logo still appears on the covers of every FF BR and DVD in Germany and Austria. Including Fant4stic. So I guess, whatever the legal status is, Constant at least holds some rights to the property

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

FF can make Disney billions I say make a fair trade

Iron Man 4 vs Doom

GotG 3 w Annihilation Wave or Kree v Skrull War

Hulk vs Thing

Inhumans w FF

Secret Invasion

Human Torch besties with Spider-Man

Almost Complete Illuminati (Stark, Richards, Strange, T'Challa, Namor) maybe include Pym instead of Xavier

Etc etc etc

So many possibilities



Just trade FoX some % of control of X-MEN toy, animation and video game rights and I say fair deal

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The Constantin logo still appears in front of every FF movie in Germany and Austria. The Constantin logo still appears on the covers of every FF BR and DVD in Germany and Austria. Including Fant4stic. So I guess, whatever the legal status is, Constant at least holds some rights to the property

I'm sure that was part of the agreement, but like I say, I've seen from a number of sources that it's entirely in Fox's hands now.

Here's one mention, but not the most specific I've seen:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/1994-fantastic-four-franchises-invisible-814310

"I went to lunch with Bernd, who told me he'd sold both the film and the rights to Fox, who was going to make a $60 million version and they didn't want this low-budget movie around," recalls Corman. "I was kind of disappointed because it would have been an interesting challenge to distribute, but I was sitting there with a pretty hefty check."

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

maybe include Pym instead of Xavier

I don't see that working. the Illuminati work in their setup, because they are seen as leaders of their specific communities. Black Bolt, King of the Inhumans; Namor, King of the Atlanteans; Strange, Sorcerer Supreme; Stark, Founder of the Avengers; Richards, seen as smartest man on Earth and leader of the scientific community (basically the Scientist Supreme if that wasn't the title the AIM head honcho normally uses); T'Challa (not a real member btw), King of Wakanda; Xavier, leader of the Mutants...
Pym in that equation might fulfill Richards' role in an MCU where the FF don't exist, but certainly not Xavier's

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I don't see that working. the Illuminati work in their setup, because they are seen as leaders of their specific communities. Black Bolt, King of the Inhumans; Namor, King of the Atlanteans; Strange, Sorcerer Supreme; Stark, Founder of the Avengers; Richards, seen as smartest man on Earth and leader of the scientific community (basically the Scientist Supreme if that wasn't the title the AIM head honcho normally uses); T'Challa (not a real member btw), King of Wakanda; Xavier, leader of the Mutants...
Pym in that equation might fulfill Richards' role in an MCU where the FF don't exist, but certainly not Xavier's

I obviously meant take his place in the group not be a replacement for Mutants. He's one if the smartest men in the MCU he belongs in the illuminati


The movies are nothing like the comics anyways and you know that. But Black Panther is a member of the illuminati the comics didn't stop in that 2007 mini series

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Just trade FoX some % of control of X-MEN toy, animation and video game rights and I say fair deal

I would certainly be trying to make something like this happen if I were either Fox or Marvel.

Toys, T-Shirts etc. are huge - not just because of the money they bring in directly but because kids playing with the toys, wearing the T-shirts etc. are advertising for the film. If Marvel and Fox can come to an agreement, it would put a lot more money in both of their pockets.

The only reason to not do it would be to put more pressure on Fox to eventually give up on X-Men . . . but that seems unlikely, and I expect that if Marvel could get FF, they'd be happy to allow Fox to continue to focus on X-Men films.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I'm sure that was part of the agreement, but like I say, I've seen from a number of sources that it's entirely in Fox's hands now.

Here's one mention, but not the most specific I've seen:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/1994-fantastic-four-franchises-invisible-814310

"I went to lunch with Bernd, who told me he'd sold both the film and the rights to Fox, who was going to make a $60 million version and they didn't want this low-budget movie around," recalls Corman. "I was kind of disappointed because it would have been an interesting challenge to distribute, but I was sitting there with a pretty hefty check."

whatever the deal between Fox and Constantin is, all three Fantsatic Four films are still marketed as Constantin movies in (at least) German speaking countries. The Fox logo doesn't appear anywhere on covers

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I obviously meant take his place in the group not be a replacement for Mutants. He's one if the smartest men in the MCU he belongs in the illuminati

as replacement for Mr. Fantastic, sure, he would

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Toys, T-Shirts etc. are huge - not just because of the money they bring in directly but because kids playing with the toys, wearing the T-shirts etc. are advertising for the film. If Marvel and Fox can come to an agreement, it would put a lot more money in both of their pockets.

Yeah I'm X-Men exclusive fan from childhood and don't really like Marvel as a whole but even I know they make a better a product.

I say give them back their **** and be done with it (Star Wars, FF). It's been too long without X-Men Video Games & Animated Series.

I'm finally getting quality X-Comics and the new series in 2017 look promising for nostalgia fans like myself.


Just make the deal and move on. I'm sick of Everytime X-Men news drops the comment section, social media etc the buzz is always negative no matter how small or big the news. MCU greatest strength to me is how invested and loved it is by their fans. The hate in X-Men projects us soooooooo strong and I miss the days when everyone loved X-Men

 

[ADollarADay]

I would certainly be trying to make something like this happen if I were either Fox or Marvel.

Toys, T-Shirts etc. are huge - not just because of the money they bring in directly but because kids playing with the toys, wearing the T-shirts etc. are advertising for the film. If Marvel and Fox can come to an agreement, it would put a lot more money in both of their pockets.

The only reason to not do it would be to put more pressure on Fox to eventually give up on X-Men . . . but that seems unlikely, and I expect that if Marvel could get FF, they'd be happy to allow Fox to continue to focus on X-Men films.

The real money maker is merchandise. Marvel would be stupid to give any of that up. Then again, the Spidey deal seems to be stupid as hell, so who knows?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The real money maker is merchandise. Marvel would be stupid to give any of that up. Then again, the Spidey deal seems to be stupid as hell, so who knows?

They wouldn't be giving it up, they'd be gaining it. They're not making anything off of X-Men movie merchandise. Sure, Marvel can sell X-Men merchandise that looks like the comics, but kids want what they're seeing in the films and Fox owns the film likenesses.

If they did something like:
1. Marvel gets FF Back
2. Fox and Marvel agree to jointly develop merchandise based on films and split the profits (percentages TBD).

Both studios could be putting hundreds of millions in their pockets that they're currently not getting.

 

[Snaaaaake!]

You would think Disney would've worked out a deal for the Hulk rights at this point.

Maybe it's not them who isn't budging. It's not like Disney's shy when it comes to buying franchises and rights to certain merchandise they deem a good investment, so my guess would be Universal. Either that or Marvel's simply playing the waiting game (if there's a contract deadline) while making money featuring Hulk characters in movies, T.V. shows and cartoons regardless.

 

[TheVileOne]

What makes you think Universal is making money off Hulk being in those movies?

 

[Snaaaaake!]

The real money maker is merchandise. Marvel would be stupid to give any of that up. Then again, the Spidey deal seems to be stupid as hell, so who knows?

In what way is it stupid...?

From my understanding Marvel bought full Spidey merch from Sony for like $200m or so. Meanwhile Spidey's merchandise is said to rake in $1b a year. Marvel and Disney would like to keep it that way. So making this deal reels in Sony from making more crappy films (Sony clearly dodged a bullet with that lame plan of a Sinister Six spin off whether they realized it or not).

So the little that Sony well get every few years from solo Spider-man films while under the MCU is peanuts to Marvel when you think about it. Plus according to Tom Holland revealing how many films he's contracted for, it's not like Marvel Studios won't be benefiting from Spider-man in future MCU movies as well. Therefor, Marvel's got the advantage profit wise as far as this deal goes.

This is also the reason why I can't see Fox and Marvel making the same deal. Many of Fox-Marvel's people (Jackman, Shuler-Donner, Millar, etc.) have been putting it out there to pair up with the MCU years before this Sony deal even happened.

So with that it'll likely be all or nothing.

 

[Snaaaaake!]

What makes you think Universal is making money off Hulk being in those movies?

I was referring to Marvel making money off Hulk.

I don't know if Universal's getting a cut of that or not. They're clearly eating Disney's lunch when it comes to Amusement parks on the East Coast though.

 

[wobbly]

I was referring to Marvel making money off Hulk.

I don't know if Universal's getting a cut of that or not. They're clearly eating Disney's lunch when it comes to Amusement parks on the East Coast though.

Afaik Universal only make money from a Hulk film if Marvel make a solo with him, as they get to distribute it (with zero investment in making it) and get their fee from that (no idea if theirs a time limit or a set number of films limit, but since Marvel continue to hold off from making a Hulk solo I'd guess Universal still hold those distribution rights atm).

I doubt they get anything from his appearances in Avengers or the upcoming Thor-Ragnarok. In fact, had Disney not bought out Marvel, and Marvel Studios still needed outside distribution sources, I think we'd have seen a Hulk sequel after his crowd pleasing turn in Avengers. As is though Disney are naturally not keen on handing Uni money when they have their own distribution arm to hand.

The theme park thing is a whole separate deal Disney can't do much about.

 

[wobbly]

The Constantin logo still appears in front of every FF movie in Germany and Austria. The Constantin logo still appears on the covers of every FF BR and DVD in Germany and Austria. Including Fant4stic. So I guess, whatever the legal status is, Constant at least holds some rights to the property

I think they simply retain a co-producer credit, and possibly get distribution rights for Germany/Austria. Beyond that Fox call all the shots with the FF franchise, whilst Constantin make zero investment. As such the fate of the FF rights is entirely in Fox's hands one way or another.

 

[wobbly]

The real money maker is merchandise. Marvel would be stupid to give any of that up. Then again, the Spidey deal seems to be stupid as hell, so who knows?

Fox already get a sizeable cut (with zero investment) in movie merch, should marvel make any: Iirc Marvel take over 50% of movie merch profits tied to Fox films. That leaves over 40% from which I'd guess Fox do very well.

Main reason why there's been nigh on zero merch support for Fox's efforts since Disney took over, and how they totally hosed Sony with the amended deal giving them full profits from any merch.